Member: sonia and cat
Location: uk
Date: 5/27/01
Time: 7:50:55 PM

Comments

Thank god for that one. All my groups carry the message of recovery. I needed to hear it, i needed that hope. We have sick people in AA and if one group has too many sick people, the group becomes sick. Where is the hope in a bunch of sick people whinning about thier lives with no mention of how to get well. I went to a strong meeting tonight, and i whined about my feeling low, It was an honest share. I knew the workings of the program but it didnt seem to be working. But in the room it wasnt the anything in particular that was said, but instead of knowing that this too shall pass, i believed it would. Belief is a powerful thing. and where last night i had resigned myself to living in misery for quite some time. I had resigned myself to this hopeless state of mind. Tonight i have hope, I got hope at that meeting, and now i feel ok. All i needed was to feel hope. I got the message.

me.sonia@ntlworld.com


Member: sonia and cat
Location: uk
Date: 5/27/01
Time: 7:51:05 PM

Comments

Thank god for that one. All my groups carry the message of recovery. I needed to hear it, i needed that hope. We have sick people in AA and if one group has too many sick people, the group becomes sick. Where is the hope in a bunch of sick people whinning about thier lives with no mention of how to get well. I went to a strong meeting tonight, and i whined about my feeling low, It was an honest share. I knew the workings of the program but it didnt seem to be working. But in the room it wasnt the anything in particular that was said, but instead of knowing that this too shall pass, i believed it would. Belief is a powerful thing. and where last night i had resigned myself to living in misery for quite some time. I had resigned myself to this hopeless state of mind. Tonight i have hope, I got hope at that meeting, and now i feel ok. All i needed was to feel hope. I got the message.

me.sonia@ntlworld.com


Member: Michael B.
Location: AZ
Date: 5/27/01
Time: 10:58:54 PM

Comments

Hi! My name is Michael, and I am a recovering alcoholic and addict, sober today only by the Grace of God and the Fellowship. Welocme to the newcomers! Thanks to those who have shared!

This Step is one of the most important for maintaining AA unity. Through singleness of purpose we stay focused, and as the book 12 Steps and 12 Tradition (12 X 12) says, "we can seldom keep the precious gift of sobriety unless we give it away" (p.151).

The illustration the 12 X 12 provides regarding this Tradition concerns placing religious motives first, before carrying the message of sobriety. So, along with placing political and financial motives at the forefront, placing sectarian motives first when carrying the message of sobriety undermines the intended motives behind an AA group's primary purpose.


Member: jerry n
Location: northeast PA
Date: 5/28/01
Time: 1:46:31 AM

Comments

The traditions were wrought from the experiences of our early fellowship. Thank G-d they were given the wisdom to incorporate this one. Other fellowships were on their way of providing solutions to the alcoholic problem, but dissipated because they lost the focus on their primary pupose. Let's pray that does not happen to us. Taking this tradition to the personal level; I make staying sober my primary pupose. I know if I place anything in front of my sobriety, I will lose both my sobriety and whatever I place in front of it, whether it be money, job, family, or relationship. It is, also, important to remember this tradition when working with others. I try not to advise others of finances, relationships, or any other matters except staying sober. It is important for me to remember, that although my HP is an impoartant part of my sobriety, I don't expect newcomers to take my God, that they should find their own.


Member: Martha G.
Location: MA.
Date: 5/28/01
Time: 11:04:32 AM

Comments

Don't know what happened to my comments so I will try again. I think that when I start to feel the need to criticize another person/s belief system, higher power, (which works both ways), a person has the freedom to believe in the God of the fathers, and express that and how it helps them as much as a person has the freedom to believe in other gods and express that/I am in danger of picking up a drink. What I need to be of the utmost importance is my relationship with my God, how that keeps me sober and in turn affects others. If I am judging other people I have lost my focus, whats important, Tradition Five, A group's primary purpose is to help others achieve sobriety. It is not to be mistaken that controlling, criticizing, undermining another person/s efforts and feelings is the same thing, remember the stats are one in thirty-five of us dies sober/steep odds for people who have the "well disease".


Member: Martha G.
Location: MA.
Date: 5/28/01
Time: 11:07:04 AM

Comments

Don't know what happened to my comments so I will try again. I think that when I start to feel the need to criticize another person/s belief system, higher power, (which works both ways), a person has the freedom to believe in the God of the fathers, and express that and how it helps them as much as a person has the freedom to believe in other gods and express that. What I need to be of the utmost importance is my relationship with my God, how that keeps me sober and in turn affects others. If I am judging other people I have lost my focus, whats important, Tradition Five, A group's primary purpose is to help others achieve sobriety. It is not to be mistaken that controlling, criticizing, undermining another person/s efforts and feelings is the same thing, remember the stats are one in thirty-five of us dies sober/steep odds for people who have the "well disease".


Member: Sarah
Location: NW USA
Date: 5/28/01
Time: 1:43:18 PM

Comments

I like the "healing power" of this tradition, stating the sharing of our experience, stregth and hope for recovery is the primary purpose. It teaches me, teaches us "HOW" to "use intelligence putting humility first". Who would think a group of drunks would have such wisdom. I'll keep coming back, hope we all do.


Member: dave
Location:
Date: 5/28/01
Time: 3:55:55 PM

Comments

i need sex real bad


Member: Joe L.
Location: Phila.,PA - USA
Date: 5/28/01
Time: 4:59:03 PM

Comments

Hi All; Joe here, definitely an alcoholic. I'm fortunate enough to belong to a very active home group. For a small group, we average a speaking commitment about every 2 weeks. Our problem is getting new people to hang around. They come, we share and I can't believe they don't come back. It's something I'm thinking about and praying about. Thanks for Listening...Peace,Out - Joe L.


Member: ART
Location:
Date: 5/28/01
Time: 5:42:55 PM

Comments

WE ALL DO DAVE......USE YOUR HAND


Member: MARGE R
Location: CANADA
Date: 5/28/01
Time: 7:58:44 PM

Comments

"EACH GROUP HAS BUT ONE PRIMARY PURPOSE--TO CARRY IT'S MESSAGE TO THE ALCOHOLIC WHO STILL SUFFERS."

THANK GOD FOR THAT, I HAVE HAD MANY SLIPS AND HAVE SOMETIMES HAD TO GO OUT OF TOWN TO SAY I'M COMING BACK FOR LIKE THE MILLIONTH TIME. I'M SO GLAD THAT THIS IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE BECAUSE WHO ELSE WOULD ACCEPT AN ALCOHOLIC LIKE ME BUT A GROUP LIKE THIS. TO THE PERSON OUT THERE WHO WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN AWESOME GROUP WITH GOOD RECOVERY. YOU SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT COME BACK. YOU PEOPLE ARE PLANTING LOTS OF SEEDS. I WENT FROM MEETING TO MEETING TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I WAS GOING TO GET IT. IT'S TAKEN ME YEARS TO GET TO THE POINT I AM AT TODAY AND I AM SIX DAYS CLEAN AGAIN FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME. I LIVE FOR TODAY BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT TOMORROW WILL BRING. MY SLIPS HAVE BEEN LESSONS AND I NOW REALIZE THAT I NEVER ASKED FOR HELP FROM A HIGHER POWER, WHATEVER I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE. I DO BELIEVE THAT AA IS A GREATER POWER FOR ME AND THAT WQRKS FOR NOW. IF ANYONE IS STRUGGLING AS I HAVE, DON'T GIVE UP, YOU CAN START OVER AT ANY TIME. YOU CAN TURN THE PAGE AND HAVE A BRAND NEW PAGE WITH NOTHING ON IT. I WISH YOU ALL ANOTHER 24 HOURS AND I WILL TAKE ONE FOR MYSELF. THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP IT REALLY HELPS ME A GREAT DEAL!


Member: Mitzi P
Location: Delaware
Date: 5/28/01
Time: 9:04:53 PM

Comments

dave no one ever died from lack of sex. Many die from lack of sobriety. Keep the faith.


Member: AnilG
Location: Mt Vernon,IL
Date: 5/29/01
Time: 8:18:41 AM

Comments

I am an alcoholic AA bieng self supported/ and independent of eachother as a group brought this message to me I would not be sober if there had been no group I am thankful to AA and its members for sharing caring and now the group needs to continue on this Gods work and reach out help others as I have been helped.


Member: d. j.
Location:
Date: 5/29/01
Time: 5:13:13 PM

Comments

i just think that if we don't focus on sobriety in our groups, we don't do ourselves or anyone else any good. Some groups I have been to talk too much about other things, like their relationships, their trips abroad, for goodness sakes, or about their religions or their drug abuse etc. What always has helped me is that everyone is so different in these meetings, but we all have one comman problem and lots of comman ground to talk about and to think about. That is how we can help each other to stay sober. d.


Member: Tom G.
Location: UK
Date: 5/29/01
Time: 6:34:36 PM

Comments

I gotta go with Jerry N. on this one. Whilst in rehab some years back I was told this was a selfish programme. If I dont stay sober then I aint no good to nobody. We aint gotta people please no more. I have to stay sober for Tom's sake no-one elses.Learn to listen then listen and learn. You need six what real bad Dave??? Tom G.


Member: Tania C
Location: colorado springs
Date: 5/29/01
Time: 8:42:29 PM

Comments

Hi my name is Tania and I am a alcoholic/addict. I am very new to the program (3 days sober) and I am unfamiliar with the steps and hope someday soon I will be able to begin working them. My best friend has gotten me somewhat familiar with the program (she's been in 7 mos.) but she is in a different state. Thank god for her and the honesty with myself to realize I have a disease.


Member: dave
Location:
Date: 5/29/01
Time: 8:49:38 PM

Comments

mitzi,

would you sit on my tounge?


Member: Jack B
Location: Palo Alto, Pa
Date: 5/30/01
Time: 2:43:46 AM

Comments

Hi I am Jack, a real alcoholic.Tradition five for my home group is the backbone of its survival. We carry the message, the only message an alcoholic, or group should be carrying is the message of Alcoholics Anonymous.The home group should be directing all their efforts towards steering the newcomer, the drunk who still suffers to the twelve step program of Alcoholics Anonymous.I am a firm believer that the hope for an alcoholic is seeing another alcoholic recover, but the help is in the home group. Thanks for allowing me to share and God Bless


Member: Jake
Location: In my office
Date: 5/30/01
Time: 2:05:54 PM

Comments

i need to find an aa siite where my presence can be confirmed so my court orders will be satisfied. where would that be?


Member: Bill T. 
Location: Lenni PA
Date: 5/30/01
Time: 7:06:34 PM

Comments

Hi, my name is Bill and I'm an alcoholic. Tradition meetings have become more important to me over the years. When I was newly sober I didn't really get them, like Miss Tania, it seemed like something for the future. But as I came around I began to realize that the Traditions were taking care of me from the beginning and I was now responsible for taking care of the Traditions. That means in this Tradition I carry the message not the mess. For example there is nothing I can do for Dave's problem or Jake's legal needs. But I can support this group's efforts to let them know there is a way out of active alcoholism. There's little else I can appropriately suggest. (Except maybe "Call your sponsors, guys.")


Member: guy.fox
Location:
Date: 5/31/01
Time: 8:53:17 AM

Comments


Member: John K.
Location: El Sobrante, CA. USA
Date: 5/31/01
Time: 1:53:34 PM

Comments

(((((Sonia & Cat))))) Live (F2F) meetings will do that to a person. The worst meeting I've ever had was the one I didn't show up for.

God bless and have an Honest, Happy, Joyus 24 hours!!!

John...jfkent@earthlink.net


Member: MARG R
Location: CANADA
Date: 5/31/01
Time: 4:12:03 PM

Comments

HI EVERYONE:

I JUST WANT TO SAY, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK TANIA. 3 DAYS, EACH DAY WITHOUT A DRINK OR DRUG IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK AND BE GOOD TO YOURSELF, YOU DESERVE IT. JUST REMEMBER, WE ONLY HAVE THIS ONE DAY, AND EVEN IF IT'S A CRAPPY DAY, IF WE DON'T PICK UP, IT'S BEEN AN AWESOME DAY. DON'T FORGET TO REMEMBER WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO DRINK ANYMORE, KEEP IT ETCHED IN YOUR MIND. IT'S FUNNY HOW WE FOGET HOW BAD IT WAS WHEN THAT LITTLE VOICE SAYS, "IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT YOU". THAT'S YOUR ALCOHOLIC MIND TALKING.

DON'T FOGET TO REACH OUT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. THE AA HOTLINE IS STAFFED 24 HOURS A DAY, IF YOU NEED TO TALK, NO MATTER WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS, REACH OUT, INSTEAD OF REACHING OUT FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

TAKE CARE, GOD BLESS!!!


Member: ha ha ha
Location:
Date: 5/31/01
Time: 9:09:27 PM

Comments

jake go to a meeting,they will sign it.....

.............and quit drinking,this will keep you out of trouble with the big blue bubble.


Member: Evin
Location: FL
Date: 6/1/01
Time: 12:57:41 PM

Comments

My name is Evin and I'm an alcoholic.

I just got back from a trip overseas where I had the grat privilege of bringing the message of AA to my father.

He is 85, and while he has been a functioning alcoholic most of his life, it has finally caught up with him. His manic depression reminded me of my own state at the end of my drinking career so I told him about my experience in AA.

I am very grateful to be sober. And I am also very grateful that I could open the door to sobriety for my father. I pray that he chooses to walk through it.

Thank you all for being here - you keep me level and sober.


Member: Tony G
Location: Yorkshire.UK
Date: 6/1/01
Time: 7:04:51 PM

Comments

Nearly 66 years ago, two guys sat in a room together & kept sober by talking to each other about their respective problems with alcohol. Realising what they had discovered they promptly weny out looking for other candidates who might benefit.

This for me is the very root of our fellowship. It is so fundamental that I believe there would probably be no fellowship without this ingredient. I have gotten sober and could maybe could stay sober by talking with other AA's in recovery, but what gives meaning to my sobriety is the message I carry for the still-suffering alcoholic.

I cannot pass this message alone, no more than I could get sober alone, but in the context of the group I have the power. This power is not mine, but vested in the fellowship, and manifest in its groups.

I attend meetings for me, and look forward to the arrival of newcomers for the sake of my own recovery. I welcome 12th step opportunities for the same reason. I was told that in any 12th step encounter there is always at least one beneficiary, the person making the call. I benefit from telephone cover, PI work and prison sponsorship because they also directly or indirectly pass the message to the active alcoholic. Indeed I today sponsor a guy whose 15 year old son heard me share my esh in his classroom.

Thank you AA for what I feel is the most important tool in my recovery kit!


Member: cory w
Location: austin tx
Date: 6/2/01
Time: 2:52:50 AM

Comments

you can't keep what you don't give away. thank you to the new comer, you carry the message also. you keep me sober by reminding me that things out "there" are the same. keep coming back i need you to stay sober.-cory


Member: the skipper
Location: uss minnow
Date: 6/2/01
Time: 7:42:36 PM

Comments

gilligan,where are you and lulu at?


Member: the skipper
Location: uss minnow
Date: 6/2/01
Time: 7:43:05 PM

Comments

gilligan,where are you and lulu at?


Member: the skipper
Location: uss minnow
Date: 6/2/01
Time: 7:43:31 PM

Comments

gilligan,where are you and lulu at?