Member: cassie
Location: oregon
Remote Name: 24.20.253.19
Date: 29 Feb 2004
Time: 02:35 PM -0500

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HI, I AM CASSIE AND I AM ALCOHOLIC. STEP 9 WAS A LIFE CHANGING STEP. I HAD TO BECOME RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW MY ACTIONS HAD AFFECTED OTHERS


Member: George B.
Location: San Saba,Tx.
Remote Name: 206.104.63.194
Date: 29 Feb 2004
Time: 02:42 PM -0500

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hi family george b i'm a recovering junkie.after a 26yr habbit,step 9 was really hard for me to complete.there are a lot of people that i could find to make amends to and a lot that don't know that i'm the one that hurt them.my sponsor said that in some cases to make amends is not to do the same things again.i've been clean and sober now 2yrs.4 mos ago i decided "i've got the program" and found out that relapes is not just using again it's a mind set too,so i'm starting my program over.in some cases being able to tell the person was great but most just wanted to see for themselves.now i try to live my life different so they can see. thank you for letting me share today.


Member: Rarely
Location: rontherocket@hotmail.com
Remote Name: 142.161.181.249
Date: 29 Feb 2004
Time: 03:29 PM -0500

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My name is Ron and Im an alcoholic. Tradition Two... Does God really have time to come down and express Himself in our group???? I would have to say yes cause I know from personal experience how to keep God out of the group, and this is how it is done..... I attended our our monthly business meeting and we were to elect a new treasurer, a new member with just over six months of sobriety said that while she was down at the coffee shop a few of the old timers asked her if she would be our treasurer. She agreed and that was why she had shown up that night. If members are going to make those kinds of decisions at the coffee shop, why should we even show up at the meeting. As we can all see running the group out of the coffee shop leaves no room for God to fit in to express himself at the group. I must add that the new person was really hurt when she never got the job and was crying.. Love & hugs


Member: AZbill
Location: azbill1172@cox.net
Remote Name: 68.226.19.133
Date: 29 Feb 2004
Time: 04:40 PM -0500

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This tradition falls under the heading, "Only In AA" ..... The short form is longer than the long form. Love it. Love you, Bill


Member: peter s
Location: Dorset uk
Remote Name: 81.77.111.75
Date: 29 Feb 2004
Time: 04:45 PM -0500

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I was at a service meeting today and our Region Chairman(English AA Service) said "isnt it funny how when we need a new officer someone often says off the cuff,how about old charlie? or Young Sally? and even though they didnt come to the meeting intending to stand for service,they are most often just right for the job" Like the guy above hinted at.Because the decsision was made at the group concience meeting,the higher power was allowed to work.


Member: Stephen C
Location: North Stratford,N.H.
Remote Name: 64.91.167.66
Date: 29 Feb 2004
Time: 04:52 PM -0500

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Hi,my name is steve and as for this tradition ive only been sober for 9 months and im learning the steps and the tradition and putting them in my life on a daliy basis,well i really dont belong to a group i go to meeting all over the place in my area and i have to thumb to go to these meets and i allways feel so much better attending these meeting and my family keep say i dont need to attend because they dont understand how bad i was when i was drinking and ive tried to help them understand but its so hard because it drives me nuts and have a trust issuesbut hope that someday they will understand and i hope i will meet new friends and want to stay sober so bad i can taste it


Member: Tom A.
Location: Carlisle, AR
Remote Name: 66.112.36.180
Date: 29 Feb 2004
Time: 05:27 PM -0500

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Tom A. here, a grateful sober alcoholic by the grace of a wonderful Loving God as expressed in our group conscience. It is interesting to me that the sentence "Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern." was added to Tradition 2 from the "Long Form" and it had to be God inspired because it has proven to be most helpful to the life of the fellowship. Infact, I really like the term "trusted servant" it can be used in every area of our life and I try to do it everyday, but being an alcoholic I tend to miss the mark quite often. The other part of this Tradition that really speaks to me is that the God of my understanding is a loving God today; thanks to what I have experienced in the A.A. program. Thanks for letting me share and thanks to everyone who shares and reads the post on this weeks topic. Love and prayers from an alky who cares. God Bless - Tom Anderson


Member: jimr
Location: chicago
Remote Name: 68.164.230.174
Date: 01 Mar 2004
Time: 10:13 AM -0500

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When I look at my life today and see the freedom all around me, I take a moment and thank God. I try to do this often each day. But when I begin to abuse that freedom by thinking I had anything to do with that, I take a moment and thank God that he let me notice that I was ever-so-slightly beginning to take my own will back again. I believe today that the traditions play just as an important part of my life and the life of AA as a group, as the steps. Each tradition points back to the steps. This tradition points directly to the element that got me and others here in the first place. Humility. Without humility we are powerless. Best wishes to all in sustained sobriety and spiritual growth.


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Remote Name: 152.163.252.133
Date: 02 Mar 2004
Time: 10:36 AM -0500

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For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority, a loving God. Hmmm, pretty much says it all. I like the fact that our groups are higher power driven. It keeps us humble and with a higher power in charge none of us alone run the show but it is a group effort. I had to make a decision last week about a service position I have held for the last year. It was really good for me but there is someone newer then me that could get the same benefit I did by holding the position. If the person wants the job it is his and I hope he gets as much out of it as I did. Did I want to give it up? HELL NO! I love it! Do I need to give it up? Yes, It would be selfish of me not to. By passing the baton on to a newcomer I am giving back what was so freely given to me by the grace of God and AA. No servant is greater then his master, I have to remember that! Kelly :)


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Remote Name: 152.163.252.133
Date: 02 Mar 2004
Time: 10:42 AM -0500

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"For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority, a loving God". Hmmm, pretty much says it all. I like the fact that our groups are higher power driven. It keeps us humble and with a higher power in charge none of us alone run the show but it is a group effort. I had to make a decision last week about a service position I have held for the last year. It was really good for me but there is someone newer then me that could get the same benefit I did by holding the position. If the person wants the job it is his and I hope he gets as much out of it as I did. Did I want to give it up? HELL NO! I love it! Do I need to give it up? Yes, It would be selfish of me not to. By passing the baton on to a newcomer I am giving back what was so freely given to me by the grace of God and AA. No servant is greater then his master, I have to remember that! Kelly :)


Member: Joe P
Location: Chicago
Remote Name: 67.73.140.146
Date: 02 Mar 2004
Time: 01:46 PM -0500

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My name is Joe, and I am an alcoholic. Second Tradition - For our group purpose, there is but one ultimate authority--a loving God as he may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern. When I was serving as a GSR here, there were several issue raised that as GSR I presented to the group for a group conscience. On occasion, my opinion did not match the group opinion, but I voted as the group had voted. Then that district vote was carried to the area assembly. One of the issues was whether to post the list of closed meetings on the Chicago Area website. My group and the district vote was not in favor, but the area vote passed at the area assembly. Since then, a newcomer found a meeting I was attending because he had searched the web and found the list that the area had posted. Since finding that group, he has been attending meetings daily, staying sober, and looking for a sponsor. The group conscience worked. Thank God it was not up to my will or the will of a few. God's will, not mine, be done. I love this tradition because it relieves me of the burden of having to be right.


Member: Peggy E
Location: Salem, Oregon
Remote Name: 67.164.52.213
Date: 02 Mar 2004
Time: 10:24 PM -0500

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This tradition prevents one person from taking charge and controling a meeting. The group votes at the business meeting for how they want things run. So the leader (secretary) is just a trusted servant - serving the meeting. The person chairing a meeting is also a trusted servant and has to let other people share on the subject. It amazes me that these traditions have kept AA running quite smoothly for so many years - considering we all like to be "in charge". Peggy, alcoholic servant here...


Member: Karen S.
Location: Alaska
Remote Name: 209.165.150.195
Date: 03 Mar 2004
Time: 03:24 AM -0500

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Hi. I'm Karen, alcoholic. I've seen this tradition in action. When I lived in the U.S., my home group held regularly scheduled business meetings that were announced at every meeting. We prayed the "we" version of the serenity prayer prior to starting the business meeting. And, we ran the business meetings using Robert's Rules of Order. All issues were voted on--no exception. This format allowed equal access to decision making and invited God in. I've seen A.A. groups disintegrate into a body of people with no common ground by simply not following the 2cd tradition. Groups that refuse to pray before business meetings and groups that don't hold regular business meetings are pushing God out and destroying the newcomer's opportunity for sobriety. I saw this happen in almost every meeting in Twin Falls, Idaho. It was a horrible place to find any semblance of real A.A. But, by the grace of God, I realized that it was my responsibility to create the fellowship I craved. Thank God for the Sunlight of the Spirit group!


Member: Adam H.
Location: New York, NY
Remote Name: 64.232.156.194
Date: 03 Mar 2004
Time: 10:19 AM -0500

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Adam, alcoholic. This tradition contains a very important lesson for someone like me who alternates between hating and brown-nosing anyone in authority. The lesson is, of course, about humility and having a healthy perspective. I belong to a really large group in New York City which is attended weekly by about 250 people, minimum. Can you imagine trying to get that many people organized to carry a message fo hope to a still sick and suffering alcoholic? It's not easy, and it puts a lot of pressure on chairpeople and people doing service work to do a good job so that all those people can be mobilized to carry that message. I need to remember that because sometimes I get caught up in thinking that the steering committee is exclusive and secretive, that the group chairperson is more interested in making himself/or herself look good by picking speakers that will be entertaining rather than carry a good message, and so forth. In other words, I start thinking _I_ know what's best for the group and how the leaders could or should be doing it better; it's that kind of thinking that leads me to resent or brown-nose the leaders so that I can insert MY agenda into the scheme. I'm so grateful that this tradition reminds me that God is in charge, not me, and that the group chairperson, the GSR, the steering committee and so forth are there to only make sure the group carries ITS message (not the message as I think it should be conveyed)to the still suffering alcoholic as effectively and efficiently as possible. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Stephen C
Location: North Stratford,N.H.
Remote Name: 64.91.162.83
Date: 03 Mar 2004
Time: 01:15 PM -0500

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hi everyone ,its me stephen,9 months sober and my topic is..step 5 Amitted to God,to ourselves,and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.. well this is the step im on and im really have alot of trouble with it and so thought i would ask for help,thanks to you all if you can help me.


Member: Rarely
Location: rontherocket@hotmail.com
Remote Name: 206.45.164.33
Date: 04 Mar 2004
Time: 07:21 AM -0500

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STEPHEN So you need help with you step five??? How come your not asking your sponsor for help? Can you find a temp. sponsor in your home group if you haven't got a sponsor. Are you maybe to scared to ask for face to face help? Remember that sponsorship really helps the sponsor. SO.... go to your group.... get a sponsor...and ask him/her for help. you'll be grateful you did. Rarely


Member: Craig L (Dogmanor@yahoo.com)
Location: Aloha, Oregon
Remote Name: 67.42.7.116
Date: 04 Mar 2004
Time: 03:55 PM -0500

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My home group allows for cross talk and lots of revelry. This is one of the reasons I love it so much and I am at every business meeting as there are those who want to enforce rules, which would limit the levity. I want to be part of the group conscience, which protects my home group from the controlling egotism of any one individual. I also attend another group, which is ousting the secretary on Saturday, because he no longer behaves like a trusted servant, but more like a „bleeding deaconš potentate. I was encouraged very early on to participate in business meetings or emergency group conscience. Today I love AA. I love watching God move via all the different personalities to produce the different meetings I attend. I am grateful for the traditions, which protect AA from me and other egotists. I‚ve also heard it said, that „all it takes to start a new group is a resentment and a coffee potš. It is in God‚s hands which groups will continue on from there.


Member: Jessica L.
Location: albany, Or
Remote Name: 170.104.83.5
Date: 04 Mar 2004
Time: 07:26 PM -0500

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I am new to twelve steps so I don't really understand this second tradition. I am sure I will after doing the first step. I am not an alcoholic but have used meth for years. I am happy to be clean. 2 months 2 weeks 3 days. Yeah!! God Bless All!! My thoughts and prayers are with you.


Member: Stephen C
Location: North Stratford,N.H.
Remote Name: 165.121.149.30
Date: 06 Mar 2004
Time: 09:56 AM -0500

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Hi everyone has anyone hide from miranda if so need to here from her. well as form the topicmy purpose and my ultimate loving god is fine today but i dont belong to a home group because there isnt one in my town,so i thumb to all the anothers and i live in the tundra country where its peaceful and qiuet and as for my leader there is only one me because i have to learn more to trust people and thats a hard issuse for me because been there and allways gopt burnt but im sober today and if anyone would like to be friends and just talk i can be reach at fruitbomber20027@hotmail.com and so godd luck to everyone


Member: Duane B.
Location: Columbia TN
Remote Name: 64.12.116.210
Date: 06 Mar 2004
Time: 09:04 PM -0500

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Step nine at first was so hard because I thopught I had to hunt down everyone I had ever said a cross word to and say I'm sorry, the word amend by definition means to change, it has nothing to do with being sorry, if you be an alcoholic like me you were allways SORRY, the people in my life were tired of hearing I'm sorry they wanted to see changes in my behavior. To this day after almost 7 years sober and 21 years in and out of the program some of my family members do not trust me to change, and I don't blame them. I destroyed that trust and may never get it back and as I learned in my fourth step the fourth colulm I have to take responcibility for my actions, so my biggest amend was and still is to myself, this is what the book and my sponser teaches me, the book says it and I believe it, the book and you people who came before me saved my life and I will forever be grateful, may god blees you Duane