Member: john o
Location: columbia, mo
Date: 09 Feb 2003
Time: 09:22:45

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My experience on accepting this step was came,came to,came to believe. When I got to AA I had problems of the world-financial,relationship,attitude-the typical problems that those of us who are blessed by the gift of despiration begin our journey. How could a spiritual solutin be of any help to one who had my problems. I was fortunate to be in the presence of people who shared if you dont believe, believe I believe. My faith started there. My experience,over the following years,has proved that the solution to my problems are the trust in a power greater than myself that has solved my problems. I used to say Gods Rolex kept time slower than my Timex, but now realize I had that backwards. When I let go, Gods timing is perfect and my gifts are what I have always needed-not what I wanted-THANK GOD! Isnt it amazing it works just as the book and my guides in early soberiety assured me. GOD BLESS!! Dont drink, go to meetings!!


Member: Tim H.
Location: Japan
Date: 09 Feb 2003
Time: 12:38:54

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"Restore us to SANITY" is the part of this step that I want to comment on. I was sober for two and a half years, but I was still clinging to the INSANE idea that I could have one drink if I wanted to, and stop there. I finally gave in to that INSANITY and the "one drink" turned into buying a whole case before I knew what was happening. Now I want to be restored every day to the SANITY that this step promises me I can have when I come to believe that my Higher Power can give it to me. For me now it's not just about not drinking and going to meetings, even as important as those things are. It's about working the WHOLE program so that I can have SANITY in my thinking one day at a time. God bless all.


Member: Mike C.
Location: Lower Alabama (LA)
Date: 09 Feb 2003
Time: 16:58:55

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Came to believe. The Big Book says that in all humans there is a fundamental belief in a higher power. Bill W was blessed in the fact that Ebby T. came to him while Bill was still in his cups and made the comment, "Bill, why don't you just use your own conception of God"? This is why AA works. It does not demand that anyone believe what I believe. It does however give each individual the opportunity to connect or reconnect with a power greater than themselves which at that point can start them back on the road of "Sanity".


Member: AZbill
Location: From AZbill
Date: 09 Feb 2003
Time: 20:43:12

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HI All, Bill here alcoholic from Arizona. Thanks Mike for pointing out Ebby Thatcher's remark to Bill that he can use his own concept of a God. I have never understood what the stumbling block is on the second step. There is no work involved in it at all. NONE. It is merely a statement saying that somewhere down the line we will find and believe in a higher power that can bring us back into some sort of rationality. Every time I reach out for (or pay for) help is that not seeking a power outside of myself? My starter breaks on my car. I can't fix it. I take it to a mechanic. He does. Is not that mechanic a power outside of myself? At least as far a starters go :). If you are alcoholic and want to get well. Do it. Pick AA as a power and get on with the program. Somewhere up around Step Nine, you will suddenly realize that some sort of a God is doing for you what you cannot. But Ya gotta work the first 8 first. What are you waiting for? Bill az-bill@mindspring.com


Member: Michelle C.
Location: Somerville, MA
Date: 10 Feb 2003
Time: 14:28:10

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Hi all, Michelle, alcoholic. Grateful to be sober... One of the chapters in the Big Book that I find helpful when it comes to Step 2 is "We Agnostics." In it, they talk about how we don't have to have a full understanding of God to make our beginning. I found that very comforting. Also, it makes reference to the idea that we have had faith all along, just not faith in the right things. I always had faith that the next drink or the next relationship would "fix" me. So why was it so outrageous to find faith in God? Today it seems simple. But when I first got sober, it seemed impossible. So I did what AZ Bill suggested above...I just believed that people were getting well in AA, and my plans and designs did not work, so I jumped on the bus and haven't left since! God has absolutely restored me to sanity over alcohol. I know longer have the delusion that alcohol will fix me. Better yet, the rest of the steps have taught me how to truly live a sober life and have some level of sanity on a daily basis. Thanks for being here.


Member: Patti N.
Location: Pacific, Mo.
Date: 10 Feb 2003
Time: 16:20:33

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Hi..Im Patti a grateful recovering alcoholic in Missouri...early in my sobriety, I found this step difficult, but today I know that it is the only solution, the only one that works. By my own power, I would mess everything up, I had made a mess of things through my drinking. until I hit my knees and asked His will for me, I had been doing things my way. Once I cracked open the door that allowed him, my life started changing. Today I have the tools I need daily to live life happy joyous and free, no matter what problems come up..I can overcome them all only because of My higher power. This a wonderful feeling! Thanks to all the people responsible for this website, I just found it recently and It helps between regular meetings to hear everyone sharing their experience, strength and hope!


Member: Bob P.
Location: midwest
Date: 11 Feb 2003
Time: 19:46:39

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In order for me to come to grips and an understanding of the 2nd Step, I first had to accept without reservation that the 1st Step was a fact for me. Once I was convinced that within myself, there was no power that could beat this disease, I had to find a power outside of me that could do these things. The 1st step is the admission that there is no hope. The 2nd Step is the new beginning where we learn that hope has returned if we only seek it out.


Member: Jackie L.
Location: Pa.
Date: 11 Feb 2003
Time: 21:31:55

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Greetings All, I 'm intrigued by the root meanings of words. The word "sanity" shares it's root meaning with words like sanitary and sanitation. Clean is the common-denominator. This occurs through the next steps especially the "house cleaning" steps. I love this program and the miracle of transformation that has occured in my life because of our steps ... the steps that continue to bring me closer to my Good and All-Powerful God...The God who heals me and empowers me to Live.


Member: L.W.R
Location: Canada
Date: 12 Feb 2003
Time: 01:00:31

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I only have 'my conception of what insanity is, on any given situation... and maybe my Sponsor's conception.. well as it turns out,, we're all folly here on this planet people..so i don't get quick fixes and all the answers instantly. i need to do the steps and wait for sanity at times. and that's okay.. it doesn't always come when i expect it..sometimes it doesn't come for a long time after i've done the steps, but it does come. in all sorts of strange and wonderfull ways, things i just never could have imagined! it's really awesome.. i don't know why anyone would not want to get to it. it's the biggest thing we've got... it's healing. it's freeing. it's enlightening. And the only time "looking at myself" is really painful, is when my ego is so puffed up that i can't get past the fear.. fear of what?.. well that somebody as great and wonderful as I.. might have character defects... oh gee.. maybe i did something really nasty in my alcoholism..i gotta get over myself and just do it! one through 12 all of them... i'm not scared. are you? love and sanity to all, hmmmmm, interesting... LOVE AND SANITY. LOVE and SANITY, ohhhh... i.. get it!


Member: Shauna W
Location: Murchison, West Australia
Date: 12 Feb 2003
Time: 07:03:23

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Hi, I'm Shauna and I'm an alcoholic. When I first came through the doors of AA, I was very, very angry, hurting, ashamed and very ungrateful. I could not believe that if there was a higher power, He would have done to me as he had! If He was so good, why had I been through all the stuff I had? Then to top things off, I was led to AA of all the low places! I could see that people seemed happy, were sober in varying degrees and actually seemed to like being alive. So... I hung around to prove them wrong and anyway I had nowhere else to go. The saying "If you don't get AA, stick around long enough and AA will get you" was certainly true for me. It got me in a big way, I too came, came to, then came to believe.Wow, that was nearly 13 years ago! Have I learned a lot since then, one day at a time, to now be happy, grateful, and very much in touch with my wonderful Higher Power, who I now see was the one who thankfully led me into this wonderful, life saving fellowship, Thanks for your sharing.


Member: Kathleen
Location: Floral City ,Florida
Date: 12 Feb 2003
Time: 16:20:57

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Hello everyone..Kathleen here alcoholic.. Came to belive... When I got here I was desperate and knew that I couldn't stop drinking on my own. I had always belived there was a God but I thought I was too bad a person for him, her or it to have anything to do with me. I used the group as a hp to begin with and after I went on and did the rest of the steps..one day I realized that I had a "conscious contact"...with my hp and it was awesome.. I love this program.. Thanks for being here ....peace Kathleen


Member: Kim V
Location: kvaughn@madison.main.nc.us
Date: 12 Feb 2003
Time: 19:19:20

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Kim V here alcoholic. I love step 2. Came to believe kind of tells me that there was a time that I didn't believe. For me I was luckily I didn't have any religious background to confuse me. My parents were atheists, but somehow how as a child I knew that there was some type of God (what I call God). But what I have found is this. If tomorrow science proved that there is no God and scientifically proved it. It wouldn't matter. See the fact is that, by me believing in God is what strengthens me, guides me etc, and this is why I think it works. My personal belief is that my higher power does so much more for me, but the key is in believing and in me doing, as in the action part of the program. I guess you could call me an optimist. Thanks for being here.


Member: Kim V
Location: kvaughn@madison.main.nc.us
Date: 12 Feb 2003
Time: 19:28:18

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Kim V here alcoholic. I love step 2. Came to believe kind of tells me that there was a time that I didn't believe. For me I was luckily I didn't have any religious background to confuse me. My parents were atheists, but somehow how as a child I knew that there was some type of God (what I call God). But what I have found is this. If tomorrow science proved that there is no God and scientifically proved it. It wouldn't matter. See the fact is that, by me believing in God is what strengthens me, guides me etc, and this is why I think it works. My personal belief is that my higher power does so much more for me, but the key is in believing and in me doing, as in the action part of the program. I guess you could call me an optimist. Thanks for being here.


Member: Bob H.
Location: South Bend In.
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 07:00:19

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Good morning you all Bob H. here alcoholic!Thank yu all for sharing on this step


Member: Bob H.
Location: South Bend,In.
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 07:06:50

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Good morning you all !It's great to be here . I want to thank you all for sharing with me on this step .


Member: Adelea I.
Location: Dresden, Germany
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 10:18:30

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Adelea-alcholic. I struggled immensely with this step when I first got sober. the part I struggled with was not, whether of not God loved me, it was why he may not have loved you. when I was little, I woudl see the Save-teh-Children commercials and be very upset that these children were dying b/c they coudl nto eat, and I blamed God for this. b/c if he could perform miracles out fo love, why woudl he kill children. when it came time for me to initialize a relationship with him, this was my biggest obstacle-why are some chosen adn some are not...the only anwer I have so far is that God loves all of us, and I have a choice either to rely on my relaitonship with him or not, as does everybody else. and when i do not rely on that relationship I have a tendency to make choices out of fear and have serious consequences b/c of these choices, that effect myself and usually others. when I rely on God-I may still have fear- my choices are based on faith/love and life turns out better than my choices based on fear. i figured this is true for the rest of the world, they too have free choice and also get to have consequences that may effect themselves adn others. we all have power of choice. and even when I choose fear-God is still waiting for me to help me through those rough times-now that is love. thanks.


Member: Lois Laatsch
Location: California
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 12:19:03

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Hi everyone, Lois Laatsch alcolohic. My need t be restored to sanity was very great when I first got sober. Over time in this program, my thinking has slowly changed in many areas, by working the steps and allowing the principles of this program to become my guides for thinking. I see clearly today that my higher power leads me in this process on a daily basis. And, I still need to be restored to sanity regularly, so I thank God that He is here to do it.


Member: james hewitt
Location: nash. tn.
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 16:25:21

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think you aa


Member: james hewitt
Location: nash. tn.
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 16:25:51

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think you aa


Member: Lessa E
Location: Chicago
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 18:01:01

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Lessa E here, grateful recovering alcoholic. (((Shauna W))) loved your post. Your description of how you felt when you came to AA - the anger, the shame, etc...described me to a 'T'. Only this drunk didn't stick around long enough to let AA 'get me'. I had to be court ordered after a relapse resulted in a DUI. I also had to undergo intensive outpatient treatment. While in group therapy, which was part of the treatment,I mentioned that folks at AA said I was having trouble with step 1, accepting that I was an alcoholic. My counselor disagreed. She told me it was this step - step 2 - that was holding me back. She had me read from the 12&12. The chapter talks about folks who might have trouble here, the scientific person, the person who once had faith, the intellectually self sufficient person...all these I qualified for and thought surely that was what she meant. However, in my case I think the answer to my problem - the reason I had struggled with the program before is on page 32, "We supposed when had humility when we really hadn't." I was not convinced I could not do things on my own; THAT was why this step was my stumbling block. Only when I had been humiliated enough to learn true humility was I able to move forward with my program. lessa_e@hotmail.com


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 18:03:27

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Hi Everyone, Step 2 has changed the way I pray to my higher power. I suffered from the delusion that I was devout because I went to church every Sunday. My prayers were selfish ones asking God to take away my obsession to drink. It did not happen and I thought my God abandoned me. Step 2 says we had never prayed rightly. We had always said,"Grant me my wishes" instead of Thy will be done". The love of God and man we understood not at all. Therefore we remained self deceived, and so incapable of receiving enough grace to restore us to sanity. This step to me is about not asking God to cure my alcoholism but to, Let go and let God. God will retore us to sanity if we rightly relate ourselves to him.


Member: nancy
Location: pa
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 20:06:08

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Member: nANCY
Location: pa
Date: 13 Feb 2003
Time: 20:11:29

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hi i am nancy came to believe is the greatest part of my program. it allows me the opportunity to give it all to god. My drink problem my men problems, my work problems, my children problem and on and on problems. I do what i can with them and then i let go and let god do for me what I cannot do for myself. I cannot believe what having faith in a power greater than self can do and how wonderful life is when my god is running the show. I cannot do it I think I will LET HIM THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TALKING TO ALL OF YOU AND IT WAS GREAT GOD LOVES YOU AND SO DO I. NANCY


Member: Miss Fit
Location: outside of aa society, and on the debating society
Date: 14 Feb 2003
Time: 00:17:25

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hello all you alkies. So if i am right, then i am important. if i win, then i matter. if i am better than you, then i have self esteem. oh and if i have all the answers, then i have control, and if i have control, then i am going to be okay and safe. So if your attractive or acomplished career wise or materially, don't be offended if i don't like you... it's just that i can't work with you as you don't fall into any of the "lesser than me catagories".. i know i can't compete with you and because you are weller than me,, my abusive act won't work to bring you down so i can be "up" so i have no use for you.. much to your relief i'm sure. And my situation is especially scary in that i have talent and carisma, i am very creative, i can convince all but the most spiritually inclined.. that i am indeed quite something. i hide alot of who i really am. i have spent my whole life doing this. why did i have to? what kind of circumstances fostered my behavioural patterns? if you were right and i was wrong, i would probably never talk to you again. And am i rebellious? cause i live in society and live how society says, but secretly i have no respect for that society. the truth is i think its a joke, so i have created a lovely "facade" in which i cheerily go about my day acting like all the other 'consumers in society' and hoping that one day i'll be able to live the way i would like to.. why should't that be my right? To live on this precious earth just as i pleased? And some would call me sociopathic or just antisocial, but just look at the mess were making... "this great white society" as you may have guessed i am Native american. So with all that said.. i guess i can let it go. Good to be human with you guys. another 24, i am smiling.


Member: lyle
Location: Surrey
Date: 14 Feb 2003
Time: 00:40:29

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(( dear Miss Fit)) i understand how you are feeling, but we alcoholics do have a purpose here and it's in plain english in the Big Book. You can read about it. I am a Native aborigional to, and i felt a strong desire to reach out to you just because you are native. if you were white i don't know if i would have bothered to respond to your post. I have sat in aa and been ignored because i am native. i havn't been asked to share in meetings, many times because i'm native. i began to hate going and i went to the local friendship center's looking for sobriety. I thought if i went to sweats and got into my culture i wouldn't have to go to aa. so that's what i did. i went to the odd meeting, just a little bit here an there, but i was dissapointed, i found that many of our people are very sick, cause of things that happened in the white society, and i felt lost and hopeless amoung my own people... it was hard. now i go to meetings where there are lots of natives all the time and it's different to see the white people feeling out of place.. although they still seem to think that native people belong to them. i can feel that white people also seem to think we are speciall, and it kinda warms my heart to think that one day maybe i can really like white people and think of them as special to. Our indian people have suffered the disease of alcoholism and it's time we start taking responsibility for that, and stop cring victim to the white society.. when you really get honest with yourself.. nobody made any body take that drink and become alcoholic.. no matter what color you are you made the choice to drink. hope you stay sober. namaste


Member: AnilG
Location: MtVernon,IL
Date: 14 Feb 2003
Time: 08:10:48

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I am an alcoholic step 2 first i did not beleive in aa but after few meetings once i start to understand the meening I believed and it was true that there is no cure for the insanity of drinking and taking drugs without any reason a power higher other then us had to be the only answer to our treatment.and cure. thanks to aa and alanon.


Member: Lisa K
Location: Michigan
Date: 14 Feb 2003
Time: 09:01:02

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Lisa here! alcoholic in michigan! thanks for sharing on this step CAME TO BELIEVE!!! It wasnt till I came to believe in a power greater than myself that my insanity started to disappear. MY way got me drunk and HIS way keeps me sober and gives me faith in myself to accept my disease and not feed into the insanity of it all. I believe my higher power which I choose to call God got me here and this is where I need to be! I only have 76 days sober but its better than any 76 days I've ever had drunk. I know where my car is in the morning and everything I said the night before! what a blessing that is. Have a Great Day! and thanks for letting me share!


Member: Ann B
Location:
Date: 14 Feb 2003
Time: 11:33:20

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Hi Everyone, Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Just give it a try... it works! The results are worth it! DDAGTM


Member: Melanie
Location: Ohio, USA
Date: 14 Feb 2003
Time: 15:06:26

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Hi, I'm Melalnie an alcoholic. I was given the Big Book before I got sober. I drank and read and decided that AA just wasn't for me. But I learned about alcoholism and wanted to stop drinking. I did step 1 without knowing it. The first place I turned for help was the medical community. A scientific cure, that was for me. Brainwashing, electric shock, enemas...I didn't care, just make me well. At rehab, I was detoxed, had psych therapy and was taken to AA meetings. When I was released I was told to go to 90 meetings in 90 days. CRAP!! Well if the doc says this is what to do, I'll try it. In AA I found well people who had been sick like me. OK, I'll let AA cure me. The group seems to have the power I need to stay sober. The AAs I met suggested I try prayer. Well, whatever you say! I began to pray and I began to get well. I later realized that it was a long way to go about step 2, but each time I turned to a power greater than myself, I was getting closer to having the Lord in my life. In early sobriety, it doesn't matter so much what power we choose to help us. The important thing is to know that we are not in control. AA will work as long as I stay out of the way. Love and blessings to YOU!


Member: Kim V
Location: kvaughn@madison.main.nc.us
Date: 15 Feb 2003
Time: 01:39:17

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Kim V here again alcoholic. I forgot to make a real good point in my post earlier in the week. I know we probably have all blamed God for something at some time or another or felt that God disappointed us at sometime in someone way. Well our AA literature tells us our higher power has to be a power greater than ourselves. So my God or higher power doesn't have to be "all powerful". That is an expectation I put on him. Who says my higher power or God can control everything, and who am I to try to figure that out? Also anytime I make unreasonable expectations on anyone it is a setup to get disappointed and hurt. Thanks for letting me ramble.


Member: Joy S.
Location: Chas. SC
Date: 15 Feb 2003
Time: 09:15:49

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I did not believe, but HP was helping AA'S around me anyway. I scoffed at getting on my knees, but did it, and HP helped me anyway. I was convinced I could not stay sober, but HP has kept me away from a drink for over 20,000. hours anyway. I came to believe that HP would keep you sober, then I realized I am one of you. Everyday someone somewhere gets it, and comes to believe that a power greater than themselves can restore them to sanity.What an eyeopener and what a blessing! thank you.


Member: Landscape Ray
Location: scotland
Date: 15 Feb 2003
Time: 13:36:16

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In the begining i used A.A.meetings as a power greater than me i believe the power in the rooms were enough to keep me sober! but as i progressed through the steps, and to-day practise the last 3 steps in my life i have a higher power now who i choose to call God! the one who has all power May you find him now ! god bless Ray


Member: carmen I
Location: brookhaven , Pa
Date: 15 Feb 2003
Time: 15:11:42

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i wouldnt mind having ny sanity restored again some day its lifes battles that keep me going in for more


Member: Pam B
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Date: 16 Feb 2003
Time: 01:49:50

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Hi I'm Pam & I'm an alcoholic, I already believed in my HP (God) before I got to the program so I thought that was all this step was about - finding faith in a Power Greater than myself - & thought I'd therefore already done it . . . until I read step 2 in the 12&12, seeing how I identify with what each paragraph is talking about. In 2nd paragraph I realized that I am the 'god' I really believed in (my intelligence, my abilities, my know-how to figure everything out - or so I thought) Self-will run riot to the max! That is my Insanity of alcoholism that kept me drinking (& drugging) Tho fearful about it (that the results would not turn out to be how I wanted/needed for me) - I had to begin practicing in just one situation at a time - to pray & ask God to take care of the situation & to keep myself out of it unless I received clear direction - (by talking w/my sponsor & others who were living all 12 Steps already) - that I had a part in it that I was to do. The results kept turning out to be so much better than the way I would've handled it myself - I began practicing this in more & more daily situations - till finally I could trust that believing in a Power Greater was the way to go - & knew I could make the decision of step 3 (to turn my life & my will over to the care of God, as I understood God - my HP) Thanks for letting me share.