Member: Pat H.
Location: No.Va.
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 09:39 AM

Comments

I needed a lot of prodding on this one. My first spnsor was the sweetest person, but way too easy-going for this stubborn fool! So I had a "step-sponsor" who was a tartar. Kept me on the first three steps for quite a while. This was something I needed because even though I believed in the program, I was too fearful to do the steps. Trust was a big issue for me and I had to be able to trust another person before I could do the step work with her.I think trying to work the steps even though it is hard is a necessary part of recovery, at least it was for me. If you think you can't/won't do the steps just stay in the rooms until the willingness comes. The rooms are the only safe place for an alcoholic.


Member: Kim V
Location: kvaughn@madison.main.nc.us
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 11:50 AM

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Kim V here alcoholic. I found it takes courage to get sober, go to that first meeting and do the steps or ask for help. I have also found that it is the key to living joyous, happy and free. It also it about healing ourselves from our past and becoming the best we can be, living a quality life and passing the message on to the alcoholic who still suffers. Willingness and being open minded is the other key to become able to try the 12 steps. Or even to pray for willingness and to pray to be open minded. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: john s
Location: sc
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 02:49 PM

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hi john alcoholic hre ive just picked up my white chip for the fourth time in 2 years and i think that the reason i keep failing at this is im afraid of the steps i know that i need to do them i just seem to procrastinate untill i relapse and then licking my wounds i go back in the rooms vowing to do better this time i had almost 70 days and then screwqed up again. any words of advice?


Member: Babette R
Location: Jerusalem
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 03:23 PM

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Babette here, alcoholic. When I first came to AA in l980 I acquired 5 years of sobriety without working any step except the lst and the l2th. ((known as two stepping) I relied on the fellowship and not on the program. I moved to Israel when I was 4 years sober and there was one meeting a week here and often I was the only one there. I white knuckled it for another year and then picked up a drink. I had not used the Big Book, the ll2 & l2 or done any step work. I had had an easygoing sponsor who said " You don't take the steps the steps take you" Well, that wasn't true in my case.. It took me 20 years to get back to sobriety and this time I went thru the steps immediately with a strong spnsor. I'm sober l3 months now and feel a remarkable difference. I can appreciate the fellowship but I rely on the program. Thanks for letting me share.>>>Babette


Member: Donna Park
Location: Graceville, Fl
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 03:48 PM

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Donna alcoholic, I have heard many say that the steps are only suggestions. My sponsor said that they are suggestions but the only suggestions the Big Book gives you to stay sober. When people would ask him how soon you should work the steps he would say how soon do you want to get well. He had over 20years sober when he passed away. I am so thankful that I had him for a sporsor. I did the steps when I first came into the program because I did not believe God would keep me sober. He might keep you sober but not me & when I got here at 52 I was ready & willing to do what I was told. It has been the best decision I have made in my life. It has shown me a way of life that is better than I could have ever believed. I am finally learning how to live. I never knew how to be happy in life before coming to this program. I also know you do not have to do them perfect. You can add to or redo as often as you feel a need to, so just get on with it. If you are like me you will find a world I never knew existed. If you wake each morning as I did not wanting to be here then take the steps, I know longer feel that way. Life has gotten good.


Member: Mark B.
Location: Reading
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 05:18 PM

Comments

Mark alcoholic, I just got out of clearbrook, a rehab and already i have the temptation to use...how can i stop these urges?


Member: Mark B.
Location: Reading
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 05:19 PM

Comments

Mark alcoholic, I just got out of clearbrook, a rehab and already i have the temptation to use...how can i stop these urges?


Member: Gage
Location: La
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 05:24 PM

Comments

I'm Gage, and I'm an alcoholic. Nobody has to take the steps if they don't want to. If somebody has a better idea, maybe they should try it. Anybody have a better idea?... If you do decide to take the steps, here's something that has been helping me a lot: Keep it simple. Love to all of you, and Peace be with you.


Member: Mark b
Location:
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 05:40 PM

Comments

Mark and I am an Alcoholic and an addict. Like i said i just came out of rehab and my friends are already saying i change. This transition to school is going to be really tough. Does anyone know of anythink that helps them cope with these problems?


Member: Gage
Location:
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 06:37 PM

Comments

((Mark B)), I just told you something that might help. Unless you have a better idea, why don't you try it? We'll help you.


Member: Chris H.
Location: Howard, KS
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 06:39 PM

Comments

Hi, I'm Chris and I'm an alcoholic. Mark, for those who have said you've changed....thank them!!!! I guess before you went into rehab you were having problems. If you didn't change at all while there then what a waste of time that was, huh??? I'll just bet you're on that road to recovery and you need to stay there my friend....don't let those at school or anywhere else in your life shove you off the path, okay??? I haven't been here in SO long. I think I didn't have a f2f meeting when I was here last and I finally found one. I drive 100 miles roundtrip once a week and do online stuff otherwise. This can be done....we just have to WANT it more than we want those miserable lives we were living. Thanks for being here!


Member: Keith M
Location:
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 07:03 PM

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Keith, alcoholic. Mark: I am not framiliar with Clearbrook or the program they run, but I just got out of a 14 day re-hab (after a 5 day detox) in which we spent 8 to 10 hours daily in classroom lessons teaching all the skills needed to deal with this diesese, I went through a deal several years ago that just dryed you out, did a few group sessions, and sent you on your merry way with little or no information (though I WAS FINALLY diognosed with bi-polar disorder there) I wasn't straight 3 months. That was @ 8 years ago, since then I have lost my wife of 18 years, my child, my home, several jobs, totaled a bunch of vehicals, been to jail numerious times, and had one wreck that came VERY close to killing me. 3 weeks ago I gave suicide a real good shot at me, a couple of lady friends got me out of that and convinced me to go into the program. Like the saying goes, it's one day at a time Mark, and sometimes it may be 1 hour at a time, or 5 minutes at a time, or even 1 minute. There was a man on that unit who's liver had failed completely, he was severly bloated, extreamly ill, and yellow from head to toe. Every time I feel the urge to drink I think of that guy and the hell he is now going through.


Member: Kim V
Location: kvaughn@madison.main.nc.us
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 07:44 PM

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Kim V here alcoholic. Hey Mark like why don't you go to like a MEETING, like tell them at the MEETING that you just got out of this place and need some HELP and SUPPORT. Everyone will help you. They may not do it your way or give you what you think you need. You are not any different than any of us. We all have been through similar problems and situations and if you only become WILLING and OPENMINDED enough to FOLLOW these kind peoples SUGGESTIONS than you too can learn to live JOYOUS< HAPPY< and FREE> Mark there is no easier, softer way or we would have found it by now. I wish you well and hope you chose the right path. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Karen P.
Location: Wrightsville & Atlanta, GA
Date: March 16, 2003
Time: 08:36 PM

Comments

Hi, I'm Karen, and I'm an alcoholic. I am currently working on my 8th step. Not really ready or available to be a sponsor f2f, but if there is anyone new to the program who needs some support or advice from someone with just a little more time (I picked up my 1 year chip last week), feel free to e-mail me at Poelman@msn.com I will respond.


Member: AZbill
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Date: March 17, 2003
Time: 01:27 AM

Comments

Mark B...I am one of many who has graduated from College after coming into AA. Email me with your questions, I will share with you how I coped and went on to pass two board exams. As for trying the 12 Steps... I was never told in AA that I had to stop drinking. I was asked to try to stop drinking. I was never told that I could never drink again. I was told that if I were alcoholic I could not drink successfully. I was told one on one at my first meeting that you all could see I was sick and that you all could get me well. All I had to do was change the way I thought about alcohol. And that you all were going to teach me how to do that. I was told to try the AA way since it was obvious that my way was not working very well. That I did and I am still sober today. Thanks. Bill email: az-bill@mindspring.com


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: March 17, 2003
Time: 01:35 AM

Comments

Hi All, Kelly here a bad alcoholic. Trying the Steps is not an option for me it is a major part of my program. I am on Step 4 and it has been a real eye opener. I have 74 pages and not close to completion. I have a lot of fear today and in my past to work through and without letting go of the wreckage of my past I will never be free of fear, doubt and insecurity. I am like a dog that has been kicked too much that will run with its tail between it's legs or bite without provacation. Luckily I run more than snap on people without booze in me. Since I have been working on Step 4 (Made a searching and moral inventory of ourselves)I am constantly amazed at the size and magnitude of the wall I built to sheild myself. I made my own castle bottle by bottle, loss after loss, until I was trapped in it and felt I could not get free. AA threw me a rope and said I will pull you up but only if you follow my simple program. Totally beaten I grabbed the rope (AA) and followed the suggestions. Some I balked at but who was I a good for nothing drunk to fall back into my pit of despair. I listened to AA and went to meetings every day, got a sponsor, read the Big Book and Step Book. Pretty soon I saw a light in the distance. I had some hope by taking it one day at a time that I never had to drink again. I started not minding following suggestions because I was getting better slowly. The fog started lifting. Going to meetings and working the steps and handing it over to my higher power was doing for me what I could not do for myself. I was staying sober one day at a time. That is as far as the story goes for now but I like happy endings and feel that one is in store for me if I keep doing the next right thing. For anyone new get to a f2f meeting if your ass is on fire. Grab the rope and climb out of your misery. Suffering in this world is not mandatory, especially the self inflicted kind. For today lets just not drink. Kelly


Member: Tori
Location: The Mountains
Date: March 17, 2003
Time: 05:03 PM

Comments

Hi all, Tori here. I'm an alcoholic and I'm absolutely dying for a drink today. I think I'll go and do some artwork (something I'd mess up tipsy) and maybe I'll feel better later on. For any of you going through the same feelings today of wanting a drink, here are some things that help me: 1.Remember how gross you feel hungover and what wasted days you've had because of drinking too much.2.Talk to a friend that understands.3.Go for a walk or exercise.4.Get a hobby.5.Think of 3 things that you are proud of yourself for.6.Know that you can do anything that you set your mind to.7.Reward yourself for being strong even though it isn't easy. And if you happen to slip--just get right back up and keep trying! I'm sending each and every one of you love today. Tori


Member: AZbill
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Date: March 17, 2003
Time: 05:15 PM

Comments

HI Tori If all that fails then, 8. Open the big book and read, "Chapter 5, "How It Works" :) It works... It really does. Hugs, Bill az-bill@mindspring.com


Member: Marty G
Location: Cowtown
Date: March 17, 2003
Time: 05:38 PM

Comments

Hello everyone, Happy St Patricks Day! This is a very difficult time for me. This used to be my big day of the year. I used to be a part owner of an Irish Pub and we have a three day blowout. Insane amounts of beer, whiskey and money. If I was drinking I would be full blown right now with no intentions of stopping till 5:00am. As this was a regular routine for this time of year. I have already been offered alcohol many times today, in person and even an invite over the phone. My plan so far is to stay away from the offers and the temptation. So far so good. My other plan is working well also, and in some strange way it happens to be related to the topic. My big gun is going to a couple of meetings. Well so far so good because the one I went to at noon was a step meeting. We read and discussed the twelveth step. The comments helped me tremendously. Not to go over the entire meeting, but the thing I most heard was the effect that working the steps has had on AAs. Working the steps has resulted in a better quality of life in sobriety. As I work through the steps I also find a sense a serenity that I have not experienced in a great while, or ever if at all. One thing that stuck with me and I hope it does to anyone else is from a guy that was dry for two years, no step work, he commented how much his life was empty. Sure he said things changed from being dry but nothing like things have been since he started practice of doing the steps in his life. You coould see and hear the convivtion of his need for the steps. So the steps it is for me slow, fast, whatever it is obvious it works. Love each other. meg


Member: JASON L.
Location: PENNSYLVANIA
Date: March 17, 2003
Time: 07:36 PM

Comments

Hello jason here,alcoholic addict,i really dont practice the twelve steps as i probley should.i take a look at the steps,and try to decide which steps are the hardest for me,and i work on them one at a time,one day at a time and try to prey each day that my higher power will guide me in the path of right,and grant me the wizdom to be able to make the right decisions in my life regarding my sobrity.


Member: Victor M
Location: NYC
Date: March 17, 2003
Time: 08:05 PM

Comments

Hi- I'm Victor, Alcoholic. The Hazleden 1st Step Work book was excellent for getting me started on the steps. So was the sponsor who bought it for me. It also was a great reminder of how absoultely insane my drinking was,every time I drank, which is important since I'll forget this black and white information very easily and think that next time, it'll be different. Yeah, it will, it'll be worse. Come to think of it, a written 1st step, with all of the crazy, insane, selfcentered, brutal, hurtful, thoughtless, creepy, wrong stuff I did becuase I was drinking, might just be the most valuable tool I ever used. Happy St Pats from THE Emerald Isle, NYC Today I find that the "12 Steps and 12 traditions" book explains to me the work that needs to be done.


Member: J
Location:
Date: March 17, 2003
Time: 10:47 PM

Comments

Hi I'm Julie Alcoholic/Addict of the hopeless variety. I first came to the program in '95 when I thought my life was at its worst. I thought I was very willing and ready to do anything to stay sober. I went to a lot of meetings and was involved in AA. My sponsor told me to take it slowly and not get to hurried about steps. Said I needed take it slow. Well that may have worked for some but I ended up using after 6months. This went on for awhile in and out never getting more than 8 months and never getting past step 3 until I finally went back out for about 2 years. And believe me everything they say about things picking up where they left off, is true and then some. I lost absolutely everything, including my children. Thanks to God though some how I made it back. And this time I found a sponsor who was a lot like me. Sponsor said get out the big book and read and lets get on the steps now! I have never felt better in my life I am trying hard and asking for help from God every morning. Things are so much different now and I know its because I am working the steps. Doing it the way it is laid out in the big book. I am so very grateful to God. I am getting my life back. I get to see my kids again and they will be able to move home sometime soon. I also have a new baby with me as well. My life is far from perfect, but I get up every morning with hope and joy in my life to be alive. This is all thanks to God and working the steps. I would be dead or wish I was if it weren't for the steps and this program. My sponsor says--"its the steps we take not the meetings we make" that gets us well. That doesn't mean not to go to meetings I need those too, its just a reminder that the steps are what changes my life and gives me a way to live without drugs and alcohol. So for me the steps have saved my life-- And made it worth living--I've heard somewhere that they are a suggestion--like pulling the rip cord on your parachute is a suggestion. I choose to take the suggestion!! Much love and God Bless-Julie


Member: Gage
Location: La
Date: March 18, 2003
Time: 01:12 AM

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I'm Gage, an alcoholic. Still. AZBill, I like that eighth option just fine. What I especially like about it is I that I didn't come up with it. That means it has better than a snowball's chance in hell of working. Peace to all you nutty sober sots.


Member: T-Bone
Location: S. Fla.
Date: March 18, 2003
Time: 07:16 AM

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Please remember that the twelve steps (in my humble opinion), is not a "stop drinking" program as much as it is a "start living" program. I rememmber when I first came to A.A. and started reading the Big Book, I thought to myself that if I wasn't a drunk, (which I was and am),this would be a great guide on how to live your life. HMMMM! Maybe we are on to something here. God bless and have a great sober 24. Thomas (T-Bone)


Member: Cindy C.
Location: Woodlake, CA
Date: March 18, 2003
Time: 01:58 PM

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Hi. I have 52 days of soberity and have really enjoyed going to meetings and getting to know NEW people. Unfortunately I'm stuck at home for the next four months and will not be able to attend meetings in person. But where there is a will there is a way. I'm really excited about finding this site and will continue visit it daily.


Member: Karen P.
Location: Wrightsville & Atlanta, GA
Date: March 18, 2003
Time: 08:25 PM

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Hi, I'm Karen, and I'm an alcoholic. Just wanted to check in. I'm in my 13th month of sobriety and willing and ready to correspond with anyone with equal or less time who could use someone to bounce things off of. I am currently working on my 8th step with a very good sponsor. I'm not ready to be a sponsor, but I want to be of help where I can. Poelman@msn.com


Member: mark w
Location: avon park, fl.
Date: March 18, 2003
Time: 09:24 PM

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I am Mark W. alcoholic from Avon Park Fl. I need a meeting yesterday my divorce from my wife of 12 years went through. Emotionally I feel like I did when I came into the fellowship alone and resentful. The town where I live only has a few meetings not like the town that I first attended meeting at which was Miami,Fl. Right now I need to attend as many meeting as I can and work on the steps again.


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: March 19, 2003
Time: 01:54 AM

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Hi T-Bone, Your comment about the 'start living', I have heard before in AA. I am 6 months sober and I wonder when that part is going to start happening. I don't want to live large or anything but my life now is meetings and reading and recovery. Maybe I burned too many brain cells on my last 2 year drunk? I have heard people say it took them 5 years to get their life back after sobriety. I'm in this for the long haul but it would be nice to think someday my program would not have to come first all the time. I have committed the first year to recovery and by then I will hopefully have a good base to work from. Your right there is so much good to be learned and used in everyday life from AA. It definately is a great program for living! Take care, Kelly


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: March 19, 2003
Time: 10:22 AM

Comments

One more thing I forgot! ((Victor NY)). Thanks for the info on Hazelden Step workbooks. I went to their website www.Hazelden.org and found studyguides for all 12 steps. I signed up for their catalog to order some or you can buy online also. A girl in AA showed me hers and I liked the way it broke down the step into small chunks. Thanks for sharing here I enjoy reading your ES&H. I had a funny thought about what a NYC meeting list must look like... A phone book!Just kidding. NYC must have many districts. New Hampshire has 2 or 3. Take Care. Kelly


Member: Stuart M
Location: England
Date: March 19, 2003
Time: 03:24 PM

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Hi folks, I am Stuart and I am a real alcoholic I came to AA because alcohol had beaten the c**p out of me, I didn,t have a problem drunk but boy you should have been in my head when I was un-drunk I needed something to head me away from the gates of insanity or death and the solution to my problems turns out to be the twelve steps,one at a time starting with One I am grateful to have a sponsor who can lead me through this programme when my head is telling me to do something really stupid, strange to say I haven,t needed or wanted a drink today (by the grace of God)but have had several thoughts about kicking people at work in the A*s never mind I can try perfection tomorrow today I'm satisfied with progress God bless you all


Member: Rodney K
Location: Michigan
Date: March 19, 2003
Time: 11:05 PM

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I need to start AA because I want to stop drinking. I have diabetes and was diagnosed with it 6 months ago, but i have not stopped drinking as a matter of fact by drinking has increased. I drink on a daily basis but have'nt drank for two days now. I have been lying to all of my loved one leading them to think that my last drink was six months ago when I recieved my diagnosis of diabetes. I know I have a long road ahead of me, one that I should have started a long time ago. Please keep me in your prayers, as anyone who is dealing with this addiction, are in mine. Thank you and God Bless


Member: Steve H
Location: Guernsey C.I. U.K
Date: March 20, 2003
Time: 07:19 AM

Comments

Hi, it`s Steve, still an alcoholic, I`ve had some good news today, I`m moving into a 100% Dry shared house, I had to have 5 random alcohol tests over a 2 week period (all neg) so my sober life IS looking good and getting better all the time. thats all for now Steve


Member: tim
Location: utah
Date: March 20, 2003
Time: 01:07 PM

Comments

if your drunk and you really want to get sober..well that's to bad.. i couldn't get sober no matter how much i wanted it.. not even for a couple of hours for crist sake! So i ask you... what makes a sober person 'get and 'stay sober... i suppose its all kinds of different things for all kinds of different people...but for me undoubtedly" it was a power greater than me... my own power was lacking,,i had to have a power greater than myself...and that was the keystone..all the rest will take care of itself.. so i don't feel the need to run around and tell anyone else how they should do it...i got god...so why shouldn't they have him? so what do i have to worry about.. nothing.. i don't even push the steps on anyone..after all our book states very clearly "we realize we know only a little" and it also says "these are suggestions" So if no human power could get me sober... then why should i think so much of myself or anyone else..as to whether they can do it for me or vise versa... i can see god..working here, and believe you me.. i spent lots of time puzzling until my puzzler was sore.. at those old timers who just don't seem to jump up and down and freak out when you tell them that you think your going to drink,,god i thought they were so strange! like were, they completely checked out of life and cold and cluless as to the SERIOUSNESS' of it all!! sometimes they wouldnt'even answer my questions..oh that made me crazy! but today i know that they had a higher power and they weren't interested in becoming a neurotic freak like i was over sometimes very trivial concerns.. god blessed them..and he has blessed me...24 to all.


Member: Dancing Goat
Location: NH, USA
Date: March 20, 2003
Time: 01:36 PM

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Step 2, Come to believe that a power greater them me can restore me to sanity. Usually, I find myself settling for hoping a power greater can keep me from becoming more insane.


Member: Trey M
Location: TX
Date: March 21, 2003
Time: 05:20 PM

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Trey, alcoholic/addict. I am four days sober. I was kept sober for a year and a half before I forgot that I was powerless over alcohol. I planned to drink for one weekend. That was six months ago. It's true - I picked up where I left off. I've been trying to get back in the program for over a month now. I cannot control alcohol. I cannot control my own life. I had to learn this the hard way. I am so relieved to be back in the program. I am praying daily for the willingness to work the steps thoroughly and honestly. All I want is a decent life ... not a miserable existence.


Member: Gage
Location: La
Date: March 22, 2003
Time: 01:01 PM

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((Trey M)), I'm Gage, an alcoholic. Thank you for your post. I really needed it. A decent life and to be able to give my son a chance at having a decent life is all I want as well. Thanks for reminding me. Everyone here, peace be with you.


Member: joey
Location: austin
Date: March 22, 2003
Time: 03:41 PM

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i'm joey, alcoholic. hello to all. i used to have enough desire chips to reshingle a house. i was in and out of the rooms for a while, knowing that i was an alky, and was gonna drink again, and the "work the steps or die" motto at my big-book nazi homegroup (which i have come to love) was a death sentence for me. why? my first sponsor always said, there are a great many people who need this program, a smaller percentage of those want it, but who it really comes down to is the ones willing to do the work. now, a very few and precious 24 hours later (a year and a half of one day at a time)the steps are guidelines for living under a power other than alcohol and dope. i was overwhelmed and procrastinated on these steps for 3 reasons then- i wasn't in too much immediate pain, just wanted to do enough work to make people think "well joey's messed up, but trying" and mostly thought it was overwhelming. i believe i'm sober today bc its about me doing the best i can on the step i'm living one moment at a time, following a higher power other than alcohol-one that won't let me down. i gotta remember even though life comes with a flood of feelings, pain, i can remember the gutwrenching obsession with alcohol- feelings never killed anyone, alcohol and dope has. god gave rock and roll to you, have a good 24.


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: March 22, 2003
Time: 11:44 PM

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(((Joey))) Rock On! Great message... :)


Member: Julie P.
Location:
Date: March 23, 2003
Time: 01:16 AM

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Joey--thanks for the post--relate to the enough chips to shingle house--you give me hope that I will make it one day too--On 31 days this time and doing good--ODAAT


Member: you know you love it.
Location: phyco city.
Date: March 23, 2003
Time: 01:37 AM

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hi. biker babe here. got a story for all you little hells angels out there. (and please: don't reply people..) do we really need a live, and long winded rebuttled' dialogue of each others comments?)) well fuck it! maybe we do)) anyhow, you'll like this one. So there's this guy, he's pretty out of it, stoned and drunk as usuall, but he's still pretty sure he's sittin in the local biker bar, just like any other mid day of the week... yes he's as happy as a bearded clam, and proudly wearin his brand new skull cap; he thinks GOD, it just doesn't get any more spiritual than this... the dingy lighting, the same people tellin the same stories over and over, and across the room, a rather skanky lookin miss, in a low cut top and a skirt, fit for the finest trailer park prostitute. he feels he's definately been here before. he casts his half closed, and blood shot eye around the room and spies out a crew of 5 or 6, out back, smokin, swearin and spittin as usuall, all decked out in thier nicy nicest, for a piece a that skirt....he's feelin even more spiritual now... suddenly he is slapped on the back. - in shock and with both eyes now open, he retorts gruffly "what the hell did you do that for? "i'll cut your F@#$ throat...(Spike! the stranger replies, easy man! the meeting is over,......... they just finished the serenity prayer.. lets go i'll take ya home. the end. sleep tight. biker babe loves alkies.