Member: Mike M
Location: MA
Remote Name: 206.216.162.106
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 07:44 AM -0500
Anonymity. So important it's half our name.
Member: Robert H
Location: Columbus, OH.
Remote Name: 65.31.16.183
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 09:07 AM -0500
Hello, Robert here...an alcoholic. Great topic and it really doesn't come up to much. For me, I tell people that I am an alcoholic because I want them to know. Also, it makes it easier for me when they say, "wanna go get a drink?" However, I do not tell people I go to AA for a simple reason. I was at a meeting when a famous person came in. This topic came up, I think because they were there. They said that the reason they don't tell people they are in AA is for one simple reason. "If I relapse (God willing I never will), I don't want people to think AA doesn't work." I thought about this and made a decision: I will tell people I am a recovering alcoholic, but I will not tell them I go to AA. Robert www.alcoholrecovery.net
Member: dianevisoski
Location: prolog.comg
Remote Name: 204.186.14.203
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 11:03 AM -0500
if it was not for prayer meditation my soberty would not be as great as it is.
Member: AZbill
Location: azbill1172@cox.net
Remote Name: 68.0.184.118
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 11:51 AM -0500
HI. Bleep!! here. Alcoholic from Arizona. I don't care who knows it so long as I don't forget it. :) Anonymity serves two different but equally vital functions: At the personal level, anonymity provides protection for all members from identification as alcoholics.(Even after Death) This is of special importance to newcomers. It is only I that can break my anonymity. After my death then only my family can break my anonymity. At the level of press, radio, TV, and films anonymity stresses the EQUALITY in the fellowship of all members by stopping those who might otherwise exploit their AA affiliation to achieve recognition, power, or personal gain. In summary we do have to be somewhat prudent on when and where we break our anonymity at a personal level. Doctor Bob once mentioned that we can become so anonymous that we could become totally ineffective. But still it is your choice not mine to break your anonymity. Only in service are we required to use first and last names. Thanks. Love ya Bill
Member: cathy d.
Location: Ann Arbor MI
Remote Name: 68.40.199.204
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 12:52 PM -0500
hi. I'm cathy, still alcoholic. The idea that my sobriety belongs to those who still suffer makes sense to me. On that note I tell some individuals I get to know about AA if I sense a 12th step purpose. I let them know that I suffered and it helped me and continues to help me. I don't broadcast this info to everyone I meet, but one on one I do share it if I think it's relevant. I may get burned by this at some point (someone may use info against me). When I explain AA to someone I think might want to know about it I try to strees the concept that the steps and traditions were shared and taught to me, I didn't think 'em up, that it's a "We" program, and that principles are to be placed above personalities. Thanks for reading.
Member: Donny B
Location: VA
Remote Name: 152.163.253.70
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 02:12 PM -0500
I have now attended many online meetings and groups and i have to say its really enjoyable. I thinks it great to be able to sit back and listen to everyones storys because it helps you in your own life.Also you can attend 24hrs a day anytime you want. Since begininng my recovery I have learned many things about what alcohol can do to you when it takes over your life like it did to me.
Member: Donny B
Location: VA
Remote Name: 152.163.253.70
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 02:14 PM -0500
Member: Dean
Location: Fargo
Remote Name: 24.116.187.26
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 03:59 PM -0500
my understanding is that it is meant for press,radio,and film, i mean if i was ever on either of these it would be fine to say im a recoverying alcohlic, but i shouldnt say I am an AA member, and on a personal level I generally can feel when its appropriate to share that im a drunk and sober by the Grace of God,ive had some different experiances where it has come back to me, but I've always trusted my higher power that he will take care of it if i let him and not get in the way. I didnt care to much about who knew i was a drunk when i stumbled out of bars and went to jail, so if I can be of use to someone by sharing with them I will.
Member: Jude
Location: MA
Remote Name: 66.31.203.234
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 08:09 PM -0500
As a newly admitted alcoholic, anonymity is huge in my coming forward. It's scary enough. I wouldn't have considered seeking support so easily if this was not respected.
Member: Shawn S.
Location: MD
Remote Name: 172.211.203.254
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 10:15 PM -0500
My name is Shawn and I am an alcoholic. I had to look up anonymity and anonymous and this is what I came up with: Anonymity-state of being anonymous. Anonymous-nameless; without the real name of the author; as an anonymous pamphlet. My natural instict wants all the credit. However, after coming to AA the idea of anonymity is growing on me. All roads lead to me when I got to AA, and now I am on the road and I am uncertain where the road leads. However, I am sure about one thing, at least I am aloud to drive on the road when I am sober.
Member: Tucker B
Location: Minnesota
Remote Name: 24.118.201.2
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 10:20 PM -0500
Hi im tucker, addict and alcoholic. im young, still in school, and im sure many of you can guess, being young and clean isnt easy, but BY THE GRACE OF GOD, im sober today. lots of people ask me how i stay clean, the first thing i tell them is one day at a time, i tell them lots of stuff i learned in AA, but i dont mention AA unless i am trying to get them to come with me to a meeting. It is hard for me to draw the line sometimes, because its hard to explain how i stay clean, when a big part of it is AA, but i just read this, i cant remember who said it, but if i do relapse, and i pray that i dont, i dont want people to think it is because AA is a bad program, this is my major motivation for keeping AA out of most of my disscusions, this is my first post here, and i like the idea of a cyber meeting, just one more thing to chalk onto my sober network :-) thanks for the support guys and gals, best wish's Tucker
Member: Bobbi C
Location: Baltimore
Remote Name: 172.208.140.97
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 10:48 PM -0500
Robert, I'm with you. I would never tell anyone that I'm in AA, nor would I reveal anything about myself in an AA meeting. From my experience, most people in AA cannot be trusted. Period. Sad but true. That's not to say that there aren't some truly good people in AA, because there are. But, they are quite rare. Only a very few people in AA actually get clean and sober, and you can find the few that can be trusted in that group. But, the rest don't care about getting clean and sober and don't give a hoot about your anonymity. So, the best policy to guard your anonymity in AA is to always keep it to yourself. Then, you are assured that it will never get out. Have a great day, everyone.
Member: Donny B
Location: VA
Remote Name: 152.163.253.70
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 10:49 PM -0500
I really had a hard time admitting that was an alcoholic, Once i finally did that I found it alot easier to talk to people about my problem. I finally came to the realization that I have a disease and that there is a cure. It takes alot of time and dedication to make it work. You have gotta keep coming back if not you will be right back sittng on the bar stool that you started on to get here in the first place. thank everyone for listening to me
Member: Donnie M
Location: Short Gap, WV
Remote Name: 24.159.166.242
Date: 30 Nov 2003
Time: 11:16 PM -0500
Hi, to all this is an interesting topic for me because I come from a small town and everyone in it knew way before I did that my drinking was out of control. I came to AA after putting myself into a rehab and was introduced to meetings and was suprised of some of the faces I saw in the crowd. since that first day I have came across some friends that I had seen in quite sometime and I now know why they choose the easier softer way. I have never been ashamed of my drinking therefore why should I be ashamed to tell people how I found soberity in the rooms and online. I am not sure if ashamed should be the word I should use, but I had to humble myself when I came to AA and if the newcomer knows me by my first and last name it makes that much of a stronger bond between us drunks. I like people to know that if I ever start for that first drink they can always remind me that I am an alcoholic and that is fine by me cause I truly don`t think I have another recovery in me, but I sure do have another drunk. Thanks for letting me share and God bless all. I like this new format it can keep the sharing sincere and honest
Member: AZbill
Location: azbill1172@cox.net
Remote Name: 68.0.184.118
Date: 01 Dec 2003
Time: 12:17 AM -0500
HI Shawn S. Take it from a former Baltimoron The road you are on will lead you to a spiritual awakening. It is a result and a promise if you do the work well Bill
Member: Pi Koan
Location: New York
Remote Name: 205.188.209.140
Date: 01 Dec 2003
Time: 05:49 AM -0500
Anonymity is the spiritual foundations of all our traditions ever reminding us to put principles before personalities. But the truth is theold timers has the "Mr. AA Personality" in every group, c'mon everybody knows this. Who doesn't know the story of the founders and their family names and occupation? Why did Wilson allowed his "personality" to be featured on Time Magazine even though on the front cover the back of his head was taken? And who doesn't know that you were once a drunk and now you're sober because of AA? No one says in parties, "I don't drink because I'm alcoholic, but usually I don't drink because I'm in A.A." Recovery is chic and a lot of "big shot personalities" go there, I haven't seen any person that would shy away saying that he is in a spiritual program of recovery. So what is with this Anonymity thing really? I could answer for myself, anonymity is the way of the future, like how these Japanese companies handle their business systems, even their bosses are just like the common laborer, why? because then it promotes equality and in equality it is a conjusive environment for growth and productivity. Otherwise you get stuck in hierarchy and that system eventually would fail.
Member: Rarely
Location: Canada
Remote Name: 206.45.164.191
Date: 01 Dec 2003
Time: 08:10 AM -0500
My name is Ron and Im an alcoholic.. Pi Koan If you know so much about the traditions you would know that they were nonexistent at the time Bills piture appeared on the front cover of times, you would also know that the traditions were hammered out on the aviles of our experience, they resulted from the mistakes the members made, Being alcoholic and drinking at parties with my own kind, then getting sober and being asked why Im not drinking I can never remember being at a party that the radio, press, and T.V. were present when I was asked. I do remember a guy saying, " look that son of a bitch isen't drinking." and that statement never made it on T.V. which in my opinion it should have. And Pi Koan don't be upset because I know these things and only have a grade 6 I remember when I first came around I use to think like you do. Have a nice day
Member: Barb Mc
Location: PA
Remote Name: 141.151.17.156
Date: 01 Dec 2003
Time: 11:05 AM -0500
Barbara, alcoholic. To me anonyimity means that when I walk into a room of AA I am an equal to everyone else in the room. It doesn't matter what I am outside. I could be a doctor, lawyer, millionaire, pauper or anything else, but when I come into the rooms of AA I am just an alcoholic. It doesn't matter how much money I have or don't have. It doesn't matter if I own a business or work from paycheck to paycheck. In the rooms of AA I am just another person trying to stay sober. I don't tell very many people that I am an alcoholic. That is my business. Most people think of alcoholics as the unwashed bum drinking from a brown paper bag and sleeping in doorways. And when I was drinking that was a picture that kept me out there. I wasn't that bad. My children were proud of me when they finally thought I meant what I said about not drinking. They would tell anyone that I was in AA. I finally had to tell them it wasn't their place to break my anonyimity. Thankfully they listened to me. I have told certain people that needed to know. My doctors have to be told only so they can be careful about what medications they give me. I had one that insisted I had to take a cough medication that was alcohol based. He wasn't happy when he had to find a subsistute. (I think it was because he really didn't think and this was his standard remedy) There came a point when I had to tell some people I worked with. Not an easy thing when you have worked with them for almost 3 years and then you have to reveal yourself. It was something I thought very long and very hard about. But the anonyimity is for the outside. I reveal my last name in the rooms because I need to let people know that they can contact me if they need to. I'm not listed in the phone book as Barbara M. Have you ever tried to visit someone in the hospital or send a get well card but couldn't because you didn't know their last name? This is for Bobbi. The people in AA that I know can be trusted. I know people from Canada to Flordia and I keep in touch through email and snail mail. They are people I have developed a relationship with and they are people I know I can trust. I am very careful both in and out of the rooms as to just who I allow into my circle of friends. There are a lot of those out there that can recite chapter and verse from the Big Book and the 12 & 12 and can't be trusted with anything. Please don't judge everyone by your bad experiences. Learn to evaulate people better. Hugs to all.
Member: Bruce N
Location: Houston Tx
Remote Name: 24.174.51.5
Date: 01 Dec 2003
Time: 12:19 PM -0500
Hi Bruce and I'm an alcoholic. I am always happy when this topic comes up because I believe it can make or break a group faster than anything else. For me personally, although I don't mind people knowing about my recovery I still reserve the right to be the one to tell them. Safety is the word that comes to mind. I have to know that I'm in a safe place when I go to a meeting or I may not feel comfortable enough to share. So simply put, if I see you in a meeting and here something that you have shared then unless I have your permission to talk about this to someone else I need to button my lips. I also believe in sharing in general in the meeting and in specific with my sponsor or trusted friend. Thanks for letting me share ..God bless you.
Member: Gage
Location: swamp
Remote Name: 205.188.209.140
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 01:08 AM -0500
I'm Gage and I'm an alcoholic. I think the principle of anonymity is a sacred trust between alcoholics in AA, but there is another very good reason for me to honor Tradition 11, and that is for the simple reason that I could just be drunk on my ass tomorrow. If I've been spouting off to people about my affiliation with AA and then were to get drunk, then I may have given the message to someone who may need AA at some time in his life that AA won't work. I'm speaking from experience.
Member: Mike H
Location: Jackson Michigan
Remote Name: 68.76.50.112
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 07:34 AM -0500
When talking to people I limit what I say about AA. I let the person decide if they think they have a problem, and if so I help them get to a meeting and let them decide for themselves. Bragging about AA doesn't help, action helps.
Member: Dietrich M
Location: Kabul, Afghanistan for now!
Remote Name: 131.137.4.101
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 09:51 AM -0500
OM SHANTI TO ALL, NAMASTE! Hi everyone, my name is Dietrich, and I am an alcoholic. I don't go around telling anyone and everyone, but if someone asks I will tell them, why not, they knew me when I was out there making an ass of myself, so if they want to know why I'm not out there anymore I'll tell them. Take care all, and have a wonderful new day, w/ love from accross the big pond, your friend Dietrich! OM SHANTI!
Member: Susan A.
Location: Vernon, Connecticut
Remote Name: 32.97.32.246
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 11:30 AM -0500
Hi All, I'm Susan and I'm an Alcoholic. There're many ways I get to personally decide how to practice Anonymity - Personal, group level, principles before personalities, towards the newcomer, media, etc. I do feel it's important to give my name & number to newcomers and to talk honestly about my experiences in meetings in case there's someone there who needs to be able to 'include themselves in'. I also have gone to ministers, cops, and once a boss to id myself as a contact (which sometimes freaks them out a little - this often opens up a good education opportunity). Other than that, I think 'attraction rather than promotion' fits the bill. Early in this journey, I got a good lesson in anonymity. At the end of the meetings I first went to, we read 'Who you see here and what you hear here, when you leave here, let it stay here' (I think we borrowed this from AlAnon). The idea that no one would talk about me helped me through that 'newcomer' period where fear and ego were trying to drive me back out of AA, so I began to open up a little and start to belive that I really might be able to learn to live without drinking. Early on, my anonymity was blown big-time by a newcomer that was being 'pumped' for info I'd said in meetings by my then-husband. When I finally figured out what was happening, it hurt like hell, and I felt betrayed, angry, afraid, etc. I was ready to say f*** that guy, my hubby, AA, everything. Luckily, I had a sponsor and God looking out for me. This breaking of the priniciple of anonymity turned out to be a really good thing for me, that fellow, and my group. My sponsor helped me to see that I was fixing to get drunk over this, and I really internalized that my sobriety was more important than anything. I got to feel understanding and compassion for the guy who blabbed, as he wasn't aware how his actions could threaten me/others, and he learned alot. I got to opt 'IN' 100%, and I came back to the group and was honest about how it hurt, but that I -needed- the group to stay sober, and we all talked about it, and the group gained by learning about anonymity. Overall, pretty good results from something that seemed really crappy at first. Anonymity allows me to learn to place principles before personalities (mine and others), and also to learn self love and love of others, get past fear and ego, grow as a person and in my relationship with God. Thanks for being here this week, and Welocme Tucker B, thanks, I got alot out of what you said. Glad you're here.
Member: Susan A.
Location: Vernon, Connecticut
Remote Name: 32.97.32.246
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 11:42 AM -0500
Hi, Susan again. Please excuse the 'double-dipping'. I've been meaning to say this for a while. Hi to you Dietrich M. in "Kabul, Afghanistan for now!". I'm so glad you keep posting. You're a really good example of how to carry the mesage. AA was my life-line during two tours in Somalia and Cuba. If I can help at all (send literature, etc.), let me know.
Member: marianne
Location: evergreen
Remote Name: 64.12.96.233
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 11:54 AM -0500
I value my anonymity and I share when I feel I want to. I don't like when others break my anonymity to other people.
Member: Joe B.
Location: Charleston,W.V.
Remote Name: 205.188.209.140
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 07:37 PM -0500
Hi gang, greetings from WV. Here is a reminder about Anonymity, A fellow died after being sober 20 years and very few attended his funeral. Someone brought the subject up at the next meeting and a regular member said that there was no picture in the paper, and he didnt know the Dead AA Members Last Name. If ive been to meetings with you for a long time and your that anonymous your Sobriety Stinks. Get a life.
Member: l.mike
Location: georgia
Remote Name: 152.163.253.70
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 10:45 PM -0500
Im mike,an alcoholic.Its my first meeting online,thanks to a counselor.Im glad to learn of this resource,thankyou.
Member: Lauri
Location: Mississippi
Remote Name: 216.78.3.43
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 11:01 PM -0500
I am Lauri, and I am an alcoholic, I am 31 and I have been drinking now for 8 years. Before that I was an addict. Today is my first day sober, and I am having bad withdrawals, and I don't know what to do to stop shakin, etc. Can someone give me some advise?
Member: Lauri
Location: Mississippi
Remote Name: 216.78.3.43
Date: 03 Dec 2003
Time: 11:12 PM -0500
Lauri again, I am sorry I didn't stick to the topic, this is my first time. Please overlook my stupidity. On the topic, my opinion is I don't care who knows because I want to get better, and if someone doesn't approve, then I basicaly don't care. My husband is behind me, and the people in my life that love me support this 100%. So, that is all that matters. I don't want to die, nor do I want to raise my babies like I was....Thanks for letting me share. Lauri
Member: Kathy K.
Location: Northeast
Remote Name: 205.188.209.140
Date: 04 Dec 2003
Time: 05:34 AM -0500
Lauri - I would suggest you make an appointment with your doctor - tell him about your drinking and ask for his help. You are probably shaking because your body is craving sugar = there's lots in alcohol. Try a chocolate bar or a coke. (Recommended by my doctor early on}. Please get to an AA meeting just as soon as you can. Tell someone there you are new, & they will help you. Good luck - please keep posting.
Member: d shandley
Location: kansas
Remote Name: 68.103.90.84
Date: 04 Dec 2003
Time: 12:50 PM -0500
hi to my fellow alcaholics. i read a few comments about ananimity, and right now i am having a hard time with my job and people finding out that i am a recovering alcaholic. the problem is that i am trying so hard to not let anyone find out that its eating me up inside. does that make sense? my sponser is out of town right now, so i cant talk to her about this. does it get easier with time?
Member: Marc Pike
Location: Houston, TX
Remote Name: 64.95.214.230
Date: 04 Dec 2003
Time: 01:43 PM -0500
Hello everyone. Marc here and I a grateful recovering alcoholic. Lauri, I agree with what another person said, get to a doctor to get past the withdrawals. Put the plug in the jug and don't drink even if your a$$ falls off is what we say in Houston. Get to a meeting, find a sponsor, read the Big Book and pray and ask God to keep you sober for today. Even if you don't feel like you have a relationship with God, and even if you haven't ever prayed before, try it. God loves to hear from a stranger! Anonymity, which I cannot ever seem to spell, and have trouble repeating at times, is very important to this alcoholics spiritual growth. I am the type of alcoholic that always seeks praise and glory and that is a selfish act when it comes to my sobriety. God deserves all the credit, all I did was follow some simple instructions, and that is why I am here today. I cannot remember the quote, but Dr. Bob mentioned that the tradition states only at the level of Press, Radio and Films do we need to be concerned with Anonymity. Anything less than that _would_ be breaking the tradition, as we are suppose to be willing to help others when we can. Anonymity has nothing to do with Marc Pike. It is really about protecting AA from Marc Pike. I think that was the intent of the spiritual principle found in the traditions. God bless you all! Marc Pike
Member: Caralex
Location: Pocomoke, Maryland
Remote Name: 67.72.171.187
Date: 04 Dec 2003
Time: 03:52 PM -0500
Shawn, "It's not the Destination, it's the Journey"! And as well as I know you, My good Friend and Sponsee, I know that staying Sober has given you more Blessings than just driving ! As for "Anonymity", Personally, and of course I can only ever speak for myself ! I have been around the program for almost 20 Years and only have 10 and a half Years Sober, so I am always prepared to do whatever it takes to stay Sober "One Day At A Time" ! I wasn't an "Anonymous Drunk",so I don't find a need in being an "Anonymous Drunk Taking A day Off" ! But that's just Me ! "LaterLimeyOwl"
Member: Norman C
Location: Reading PA
Remote Name: 199.224.114.185
Date: 04 Dec 2003
Time: 10:00 PM -0500
I occasionally use my full name in meetings because I believe that this is not press, radio or film. I do not break other members anonymity because I feel it is wrong. The only time I deliberatly use someone's name is when it no longer matters - a member who died sober. Norm
Member: AZbill
Location: azbill1172@cox.net
Remote Name: 68.0.184.118
Date: 05 Dec 2003
Time: 02:21 AM -0500
These are not my thoughts. My reference is "Understanding Anonymity" Pamphlet # P-47, page 10 Quote "AA members generally think it unwise to break the anonymity of a member even after his or her death, but in each situation, the final decision must rest with the family." My thoughts...Agree, this prevents the possible stigma of alcoholism from transferring to the family. Love ya. Bill
Member: daviddave8
Location: Pennsylvania
Remote Name: 204.186.14.35
Date: 05 Dec 2003
Time: 09:28 AM -0500
if it was not for prayer meditation my soberty would not be as great as it is.
Member: anne s
Location: scotland
Remote Name: 62.252.128.10
Date: 05 Dec 2003
Time: 10:24 AM -0500
got to say i never worried when i was on the way for a drink if anyone knew or not so i dont worry about anyone knowing now that i am sober through the power of the programme of aa,fact is i have a couple of friends who followed me and told me they thought i would die a drunk and after my 5th aa birthday they thought if anne can do it so can i. thats aa working its magic,through people!!!got my e- mail sorted out i hope got to go. love to all,its great to be able to post again,missed you all.x.x.
Member: Ted J
Location: ohio
Remote Name: 198.30.216.36
Date: 05 Dec 2003
Time: 03:24 PM -0500
Anonimity is the spirtual foundations of all our traditions. THIS IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME.
Member: Mike J.
Location: Pennsylvania
Remote Name: 64.12.96.171
Date: 05 Dec 2003
Time: 08:42 PM -0500
Hello I'm Mike Alcoholic: Recently I ran into a member of a group that helped save my life.It was an unexpected meeting and we calculated that it was 16 years since we had last talked. To add to the complication we now find ourselves working for the same company. It never occured to me to share our secret with any of my coworkers and I won't because who goes to the meetings and what is shared in the meetings would do better to stay in the meetings .What we say is for us and no one else.Who was at the meeting is for those who were there to know and not for the general populations consumption.What we have is ours and not thiers.My loyalty is to those I help and who help me.I don't care who knows about me but I reserve the right to be the one to tell them.
Member: Dee R.
Location: Texas
Remote Name: 65.161.170.177
Date: 06 Dec 2003
Time: 12:50 AM -0500
I own a small co. and some of the employees were my drinkin buddies when I was actively drinking. I remember the 1st time I went to AA. The day before I had gotten up and drank my morning shots to get goin. On that morning I took a few too many shots to get goin and when I went to the office I was so snockered I could barely walk much less try and run a co. Anyway I left and drove home I don't remember any of it till the next morning when the employees told me what had happened. I made amends to all 12 people and told them I was going to AA that day. I went. My employees know I go to AA and they all support me. They know that I would prefer that it not be announced to the public however, I can't control what they tell other people and so far as I know they don't announce it to others. My thing is that if I want someone to know I would like to be the one to make the choice to tell. There are other business people I would prefer not know for certain reasons but if they hear or find out there's nothing I can do about that. I never tried to hide when I was going to the liquor store and buying it. Bottom line... I would like it to be my choice but in everyday life it can't always be the way I would like it to be. I'm just glad I'm sober today and I don't have to take that drink to get goin in the mornings anymore. I'm happy I have such a good staff working for me.
Member: Kevin P.
Location: Austin,TX
Remote Name: 24.243.199.76
Date: 07 Dec 2003
Time: 07:52 AM -0500
DEC. 7th Topic: Only requirement for membership is desire to stop drinking. What if one still uses marijuana or drugs?