Member: Kathy K
Location: upstate NY
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 6:00:13 PM

Comments

It seems I'm the first one here. How about knowing what your higher power's plan is? I graduated from college last year but couldn't find a job in my field. I'm now working as a kennel attendant.I enjoy it but sometimes get upset I'm not using my degree.


Member: Joseph O
Location: Israel
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 6:03:00 PM

Comments

Discussion on what the meaning of the third and eleventh steps are to you!


Member: AL
Location: england
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 6:26:07 PM

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I really don't know what my higher powers plan is for me,but i thank him for the last two weeks of sobriety,and the constant reminders of why i shouldn't drink.Though i can taste it tonight.The urge as strong as ever.To much around me reminding me lately of what lifes like at the bottom of the beer glass.I don't know wether i agree that someone up there has control ofver our destiny.But i know i've no control over the beer. Al ..England


Member: Inventory Taker
Location: All Over!!
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 6:43:15 PM

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"There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest."

{{{{{{{{{{{{{Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative", "enterprise," "optimism," etc. play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his own ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser. (And most times he/she indeed is)!!}}}}}}}}}}}}}

8.Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10.Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.


Member: Steve F.
Location: Wenham, Massachusetts
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 6:49:18 PM

Comments

Steve, alcoholic

I don't think I will know what my HP's plan is for me, until after the fact. I just do what I can - what I need to do - and leave the outcome to my HP. I guess the sum of all those outcomes will end up showing me what the plan is.


Member: Carol C.
Location: New Jersey
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 7:27:23 PM

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I'm Carol Alcoholic and Sat. morning step meeting was on the 3rd Step. When I turn my will and life over to a power greater than myself my whole world works so much better. I am very much aware someone else is in charge. I have many examples of this in my life today over and over again. I can do the foot work but if its' not the right time then I need to let go and let God. My husbands says sometimes the answer is a loud not now!!!

Have a great week everyone.


Member: Corinne B., Alcoholic here, there & ready for Fall!
Location: Camino, CA - Oh, No!  Here comes the Fog!
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 8:36:27 PM

Comments

My HP's plan for me is that I live this life I've been given to the absolute fullest, so that I can enjoy it - happy, joyous & free. The only way I can do that, is to live a spiritual life. I tried doing it for a long time drinking and drugging, thinking that was living to the fullest, experiencing everything short of murder, but all that did was to bring me to a place of incomprehensible demoralization.

The meaning of the 3rd Step to me is that once I have swallowed the hard truth of the matter in Step 1, I realize the only solution is to seek spiritual help and guidance to be restored to sanity. Step 3 is only a decision and I act on that decision by following through with Steps 4 through 9. Once I have undergone the transformation caused by thoroughly following the directions in the BB to work those Steps, then I have the tools necessary to live a useful and fulfilling and purposeful life, by continuing to practice them in Step 10 on a day-by-day basis.

Step 11 brings me to a place where I am placing myself on a higher plane than that of the material world. It helps me get out of my own head and into my heart, so that I can practice Step 10 daily. It also helps me to envision why it is so important that I practice Step 12 wherever possible.


Member: still lookin
Location:
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 8:55:37 PM

Comments

i dont know what my hp has planned for me now,and im not sure i really want to know either ive run a muck all my life,and even lucky to still be alive and not incarcerated at this time ive been clean for eight months now,all i can do is pray.maybe i can get a pooper-scooper job too!as im looking for any job right now. still jobless an broke but sober


Member: IG, K
Location: Korea
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 10:40:15 PM

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Hello, everyone. Alcholic, Kim in Korea. Honesty is an important factor of the sober life. It presents me with simplisity and serenity. When I have nothing secret, I am honest, I feel comfortable and relaxed. Though I must try to be honest in everything, such as money, business, relationship with pepple, and what not, I must not fail to be nonest to my conscience and God, I think. To me, it has not always been easy, because there was the time when I told the truth from the false. However, as my sober life went on, it has become easier. And I learned all these things from AA. As I have seen, there are few people who attends AA without missing that picks up the first cup of drink and spoils his sober life. Thank everyone for letting me share.

May AA and your sober life be forever!!!!!!!!!!


Member: IG, K
Location: Korea
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 10:51:27 PM

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Sorry,everyone. I am Kim, alcholic in Korea.I must recast a sentence which I submitted. I collect the sentence, because there was the time when I told the truth and the false, into because there was the time when I had difficulty in telling the truth and the false. Since I am Korean, I am not good at writing English. At any rate, I am very very very sory for disturbing you. I'd be appreciate you to understand me.


Member: Corinne B - double dippin
Location: Important to Say
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 11:27:47 PM

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Kim, I understood you very well, and you need not apologise - you are not disturbing us at all! You are one of us & your sharing here is very important! Thank you for being a part of this wonderful Fellowship!


Member: Deb S.
Location: Virginia, USA
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 11:36:26 PM

Comments

Hello everyone, Deb S., alcoholic here. I think also, that step three is just a descision. don't think I can turn my will and my life over to God, as I understand him, instantaniously. AA for me is a way of life. I will never be finished working the steps, just an on-going process.I want to work hard to apply all the spiritual principles of AA in my lfe. As for step 11, I pray everyday for knowledge of His plan for me, and the strength to carry it out. All I need to know, will be made known to me, in His time, not mine. As a sick person, I still want to do things "my way". Did it my way for the better part of 32 years, and all I suceeded in doing was desroying myself physically, mentallly, and spiritually. Now I need to do something that works. AA Works. Thanks for letting me share. Grateful to be here, Deb S.


Member: Al J
Location: Home
Date: 10/9/00
Time: 11:40:21 PM

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I have been sober for 1 1/2 years and have become a better father,brother,son, employee and friend. I believe I am living Gods plan and have faith that my life is always getting better.I'm happy and very lucky to be here! God bless you all..


Member: Michael B.
Location: AZ
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 12:02:36 AM

Comments

Hi! My name is Michael, and I am a recovering alcoholic and addict, sober today only by the Grace of God and the Fellowship. Welcome to any newcomers! Thanks everyone for sharing!

Excellent topic, Kathy! As others have mentioned, we are not always sure what God's will for us is. But at a minimum, I can say that for me it means staying sober today and trying to practice the principles of the program in all my affairs, which is probably all God wants us to do anyway.

As far as knowing God's will for us in terms of such things as individual career choices, etc., we can still follow practices outlined in some of the Steps, but I think we also have to accept mistakes in decision making--something I can have a problem with but which nevertheless reconfirms for me that I am only human.


Member: david h.
Location: san diego ca.
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 3:16:01 AM

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"COURAGE" I just detoxed for the third time and I ask God to help me one day at a time... I ask my Brothers And Sisters to pray withme in my road to recovery...As I will pray for you. "A man should never be ashamed to own he has been in the wron..." -Jonathan Swift. A prayer for my day... Higher Power help me see that mistakes are normal events. Help me promptly admit when I am wrong.

Today i will talk to my sponser about the mistakes i have made the past week-I will not act ashamed of my mistakes.

From the book Keep it Simple.

David H.


Member: Jack B.
Location: Palo Alto, Pa.
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 4:56:13 AM

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Hi I am Jack a real alcoholic.The only thing I am certain about concerning God's plans for me is that I stay sober for these 24 hours and he will take care of the rest. I know one thing though no matter what God's plans are for me, they are by far better than any plans I could have for me. I keep it simple, don't pick up the first drink no matter what,trust God, clean house where/when necessary and help another alcoholic.Its a great way to live. If I want to get bold and daring, I can do the following. Don't pick up that first drink no matter what. Forget God, trust Jack in all my affairs and be totally miserable. I think I will stick with first option for today. Thanks for allowing me to share and God Bless.


Member: Charlie Darling
Location: Key West Fl
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 7:53:07 AM

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Hi Family Charlie Darling a very grateful recovering alcholic, Yes our hp does no what is best for us even if we don't like what life is giving us right now, and I know that my HP is the most loving in the world where sa when I was growing up my mother would always say God will punish you, and I always believed that but today I know that God my Hp will give me what I need , and what I need is to stay sober one day at a time, and I ask him everyday to keep me from that bottle which was what was killing me and to quote Susan Hayward I WANT TO LIVE , and today I can honesty think that my Hp is there with me through all the good and bad times in our life just keep the fgaith and you will be blessed ways you never thought of, and I have been blessed with sobriety of a few years now, and I ahve found a wonderful fellowship of friends and family so I know my Hp wanted me to have this or I would'nt have come into the rooms of AA so I'll keep coming back unless my Hp sees other wise. I have to keep remembering that when one door close another one will open and who knows what is behind that door only my HP. Thank you for letting me share I love you all


Member: Bert.K.
Location: Victoria  Australia
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 10:07:53 AM

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Hi Bert.K. From Downunder Australia. Alkie,but not practicing Alkie. and that is My higher power at work. I know instinctively what my Higher power has install for me and its all good. You see when I was running my life it was all pretty awful,and when I LET my higher power run my life its FANTASTIC. Now what he has install for me has to be better then anything that I ever did formyself,so guess what, I'm going to let him run my life. Thank you all for being here for me. Bert.K.


Member: Doug.A
Location: Netherlands
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 11:08:23 AM

Comments

Hi!

I get very concerned when the "God" thing gets brought up every time - it sometimes puts off those who have no "spiritual" leanings - and the "God of my understanding" is not acceptable to those who believe in no God... My sponsor used to say it does not matter whom you believe is God, as long as you come to realise He's not YOU! Good advice maybe, but be reassured, I'm 24 years sober (thanks to the program) but still an atheist - you don't have to believe in God, just follow the steps, and you'll be amazed......

Good luck (my higher power is my home group - and sometimes I think belief in God would be the easier option - they keep me very much on the straight and narrow :-))))


Member: K.G.
Location: Montana
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 12:23:28 PM

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Today I am Sober. I have been sober for 25 days and I have attended meetings faithfully and have seen a lot of positive changes in my life. I know it will take alot of hard work every day the rest of my life to maintain soberity and I am excited and love being sober. Thank You Alcoholics Anyonmous.


Member: Kim D.
Location: Bridgewater
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 1:04:02 PM

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Hi everyone... Kim here, recovering alcoholic and addict.

I don't know what my life is going to be like tomorrow, next week or next year. However, I do know that with the help of AA and my higher power, TODAY can be a sober, productive, peace-filled day and it all begins with not taking that first drink or drug.

At fourteen months sober I am just starting to develop a sense of my higher power and am beginning to experience the benefit of asking for guidance and acceptance throughout the day. I heard at a meeting once that GOD stands for Good Orderly Direction... I like that. My life certainly has a good orderly direction as long as I am sober and practicing the principles of the program throughout the day. What I do know is that if I do not pick up today and am willing to get out of my own way, then TODAY will have good, orderely direction and a whole bunch of those days leads into positive life-style changes.

If nothing else, I feel that I can actively participate in the direction I want my life to go in by making good, healthy choices ONE DAY AT A TIME and I need to remember that things usually work themselves out... just not in my time. I am learning to trust in the process of recovery.

Thanks for letting me share.

Peace.


Member: Claude
Location: Germany
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 1:21:47 PM

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Hi people!

The first time I browsed the net; searching for people who are alcoholic. Maybe I am as well - don't know yet. Sounds to be hard work, I guess. The problem is that I still don't know by whom I am guided and in which ones hand power lies: in my own; in His??? Don't know. Sometimes I am soooo lazy and just trust in someone else in general. Well, I guess I will check this webside frequently in the future. I admire all people here who managed to stay sober in just the moment they whished to be. Depending on God's trust or whaetever.

A female student from Germany


Member: Sally C
Location: B.C.
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 2:53:46 PM

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Hi all! I am new to the Web and finding it to be lots of fun!

Stay sober and be happy.


Member: Pat
Location: NY
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 3:20:37 PM

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Hi. I need to stop drinking and I could use some help. Perhaps some suggestions from those who have been in the program a while? Thx.


Member: Terri M
Location: Nv
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 3:46:50 PM

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Hi! I'm Terri, a very grateful recovering alcoholic and addict. Thanks for bringing the topic and just for being here. I had four years sober when I went back out. After six years of "practicing", I am now clean and sober 28 days. I just returned home from treatment. I do believe in a God of my understanding today, otherwise I would not be here sharing with you all today. This is my first time with you, and as the little town I live in has two meetings a week , I look foreward to meeting with you again. Thanks for being sober for me today!


Member: Doug.A
Location: Netherlands (Holland)
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 4:44:56 PM

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Hi Pat and Claude!

AS to the first question - "I don't know if I'm an alcoholic?" The answer often given is you are if you think you are! There's a joke that might be as old as the Rooms - it's about someone who says "I can't be an alcoholic - every time I have just one drink I throw up!" to which the oldtimer say "Guess you are then, after all if you know the drinks ging to do that and you still have it...."

The point is there's no such thing as a "typical" alcoholic. My habit ran to two bottles of spirits a day - others make do with less... So too, I was a "functioning alcoholic" I kept my job, home and relationships - others a binge drinkers. The only thing we have in common is that alcohol ruled us, and not the other way round.

To Pat I'd say get a meetings program, and attend a few. If you find you relate top the stories you here, then stay around. Often sponsors will suggest 90 meetings in 90 days. I did just that, and recognised that I'd been denying my problem for years. Now many years later, I have AA to thank for still being here at all.

WE exist only to help ourselves and others to stay sober. That's our "Primary Purpose". Everything else is a suggested program of recovery. Take from it what works for you, and if it helps, pass it on.

Good luck, and keep coming back....


Member: Doug.A
Location: Netherlands (Holland)
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 4:46:49 PM

Comments

Hi Pat and Claude!

AS to the first question - "I don't know if I'm an alcoholic?" The answer often given is you are if you think you are! There's a joke that might be as old as the Rooms - it's about someone who says "I can't be an alcoholic - every time I have just one drink I throw up!" to which the oldtimer say "Guess you are then, after all if you know the drinks going to do that and you still have it...."

The point is there's no such thing as a "typical" alcoholic. My habit ran to two bottles of spirits a day - others make do with less... So too, I was a "functioning alcoholic" I kept my job, home and relationships - others are binge drinkers. The only thing we have in common is that alcohol ruled us, and not the other way round.

To Pat I'd say get a meetings program, and attend a few. If you find you relate to the stories you here, then stay around. Often sponsors will suggest 90 meetings in 90 days. I did just that, and recognised that I'd been denying my problem for years. Now many years later, I have AA to thank for still being here at all.

WE exist only to help ourselves and others to stay sober. That's our "Primary Purpose". Everything else is a suggested program of recovery. Take from it what works for you, and if it helps, pass it on.

Good luck, and keep coming back....


Member: Craig L.
Location: USA
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 5:10:29 PM

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This is the first time I've ever done any of this. I don't have a problem myself, but I do feel that my father is an alcaholic. I was wondering if someone might list typical alcaholic behaviors for me. This is a last resort for me so please take this seriously and try to help, please!


Member: intim
Location:
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 5:55:01 PM

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silly sally c. now wasnt that just to much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tiwmid(BACKWARDS)


Member: Marsha W
Location: Northern Chile
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 7:00:46 PM

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Hi, all! Marsha, alcoholic. Great topic, Kathy,and one that has been on my mind a lot for the past couple of years. I am in a foreign country I don't like, in a city I don't like and in the only job where I can make enough money only to survive - but not to save enough to leave. I keep telling myself that my HP has a reason for my being here, although it's not yet obvious to me and may not be for some time yet. I think it has something to do with finally being forced to confront my alcoholism and emotional problems and find a solution without being in a place where I can play God and change jobs and locations when drinking causes problems - therefore never facing the real issues. I try not even to wonder what the big picture might be - just to stay sober and happy today and wait for God's surprise to come. I certainly do thank God for having found this site!! Welcome to the newcomers and keep coming back ---- Peace and Love


Member: Anonymous
Location:
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 7:26:20 PM

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What is God's plan for me as I preceive it? Well, I suppose there is a short range and a long range plan he has for me. The main thing to know first is that it is for me not against me that he now works, not so with the ungodly of the which I once was. I know the old ways must die which is hard and doubts enter in at such times, but thinking back on what I just said I go on in trust that my faith and hope and love is not in vain that even in this tearing down of the old and building up of the new I'll see the wisdome of God in what makes for a managable life. To be sure he has had children to rear up from the begining, and who could know better what to do than he who needs no practice yet has done so much of it? I have found that the way of the world is not his idea, this makes it all even harder to swallow, and I would say there are many who have given up because of it. This is where I know that a total commitment must first be established, for he has taken me where no man has gone before. There is no other way out of the mire than to be in such a place where you can say to the world when it seeks to suduce you that it has nothing you want or need badly enough to jump through hoops in order to get it. I think it's this relience on God that he seeks for me and the freedom thereof, with God, I don't have to roll over or play dead or go fetch or shake hands or speak, it takes some self denial and self seeking must slip away, one must be content with little, for God has taught me that poverty overcomes the world far better than becomeing somewhat only to be a slave to it. Yes it's been what an order for me but I've gone through with it only by hanging on to my most precious faith for dear life and the obedience thereof. My consolation has moved from an outward to an inward and though some say he carzy my communication is in heaven and it's my glory not my shame though I do hide it if I can, With all this I know I have an anchor of my soul for the life that is to come. I have read that all is vanity, save to love God and serve him only and only God can bring this about in a world that would distract a man with a hundred forms of fear and self delusion. This too I have found that I shall not set my heart on anything or anyone, nor expect things to stay the same as I would have them, It is for me that God is my portion in life and he'll have me to himself and will share me not. I think this is his will for me, a very small part of it. Nevertheless, it's one day at a time.


Member: Ann B
Location: Boston
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 8:02:41 PM

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I am approaching 60 days sobriety. It is my first time in AA. I have been drinking and druggubg since I was 13 and am now 32 years old. I can't say I was ever really a spiritual person. I drank in large part to fill an emptiness inside that seemed bottomless. Through the years I have struggled with a variety of addictions. When i was in junior high I was drinking, smoking, doing speed, LSD and marijuanna. Later I moved on to cocaine which I ended up putting down because I was scared about what it did to me but I never put the bottle down for good. It was my best friend. Even though I went spells without it and have not really physically gone through withdrawals emotionally I have been going through withdrawal because I am still emotionally very young because I never learned to feel with my feelings. Now that I am in AA and sober and drug free I have had to come to grips with the roller coaster of feelings and my belief in God. I can only say that the very fact I am still alive teaches me that God is in my life. I need to get in the passenger seat and let him do the driving because as far a living goes my liscence to do the driving has been revoked.


Member: Donnchadh Aghas
Location: Liverpool UK
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 8:31:37 PM

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Well, Kathy I to have a degree this past7 years I got it as 39 year old student after stopping drinking. However,I failed to use it for a job but it adds greatly to my selfrespect as it's [or at least here in England] a high honour. So maybe their in lies your higher powers plan,you are to find a job which brings self respect and honours. ----- Aeh ! mister INVENTRY TAKER from all over, the programe is WE and US that is pro-collective. Any anthropolgyist worth there salt and speaking the truth will tell us that the least competitive socities were full of love and free from internecine strife and conflict surly these are part the higher powers plan for AA --------


Member: kevin
Location:
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 8:36:00 PM

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ANN, does that mean we dont have a license to drive right now?.....oh i see........well maybe i dont cause im crazy the doctor put me on to many antidepressents. i am going mentaly insane..... ..............caN YOU ALL HELP ME please kevin


Member: Wisdom
Location: At the gate
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 8:38:11 PM

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"God, as we understood Him," is indeed a phrase that is very general, and is more or less directed at a group of people; but we must not think we understand God as a group, that is, what others have found out by themselves through going into a deeper study of God's Word, the Bible, free of any distorting influences. Who, of a wise and rational mind, can think to understand what God's Will is for them, when they have never gotten to even know what God's plans are for the salvation of man? Or think to have gotten this understanding by assembling with a bunch of psychotic neurotics, whose only interest is to be able to say that they have something of a Godly nature from assembling with a crowd of ignorant paranoiacs? Those of you who "Think!" they have what they need to save themselves from God's impending wrath upon a sin-sick devilish collectivized world, are only deceiving themselves, and have wasted a lot of time being deceived by others! Scoff at these words if you will, but when you're on the outside wailing for an in, and no one hears you, you will know you're outside, and have been deceived!! Many places in the Bible give the phrase, "give me understanding and I shall live!" Who of you has this understanding??

"THINK


Member: Harry K.
Location: U.K
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 8:49:59 PM

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Hi everyone! Harry the alcoholic here. For myself, I came to stop asking what GOD's will was for me. I found by doing those things that sobriety requires and maintaining my spiritual condition as best as I can, I inevitably get the answer. Does GOD want me to be happy joyous and free? No, not always. Pain is a great motivator. It causes me to look around and examine what I'm doing, what others around me are doing and what I may consider doing to change it. Almost always my restlessnes, discontentment and iritability are the catalyst for self improvement. I don't know. As I continue doing what I've been doing for the last several years, I no longer try to figure it out. I can't presume to know what GOD has in store for me. Throughout my recovery, I took alot of unexplained detours along the way, In hindsight I now see it as GOD taking me through the scenic route. Learning, observing the wider picture, taking grace in some of the small lessons along the way, ultimatly it all gave me tools to live life today. At the time it was happening I couldn't see the larger part of it all. I STILL can't always see the larger picture because my personal GOD is so much larger than I am. I just don't drink and avoid those situations that can entagle me. When I was drinking, I used to say "GOD is my co-pilot", when I got sober I said "GOD is the pilot and I sit in back". After continued sobriety I learned that I wasn't even allowed to sit in the plane! I don't know what GOD's will is. I know more what it isn't. That's easier for this control freak who given the chance would run riot again. I open myself to the learning and trust in GOD's time it will be revealled. Thank you all for keeping me sober!


Member: Norm P
Location: Indiana
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 8:55:59 PM

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"The only thing I need to know about God is that I'm not Him!" This was one of the first things anyone said to me in AA when I was full of questions. This is,to me,all that is necessary for any of us-whatever we become spiritually. Right now,what God is doing in my life doesn't make sense but it doesn't have to. Our ways(our thinking)is not His. If I have learned anything about God in the past 12 years,it is that He wants what is best for me and I sure don't know what that is right now. I can not answer the question we all spend too much time on-"Why?" Again,it doesn't matter;it just is(acceptance). Whether we are "born again" Christians,agnostics ,atheists or whatever religion,we just need to recognize some Power of good in this world that is beyond our own power(isn't living on self-will what got us here?) Welcome to all the folks from around the world. Kim,your command of the English language is very good and,even if it wasn't,we would still understand you because you speak the language of the heart.


Member: Dallas S.
Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 10:00:10 PM

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Hello, I'm Dallas S. an alcoholic and addict. I know not my higher power's plan for me. I sure am thankful for another day on this earth. Being sober, clean and free. I do believe that "My purpose," is to help myself and to help others in any way that I can. To make mistakes to learn from them. Sometimes, I may make a mistake 2 times over... may be more, but I still learn from it. Accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. It doesn't hurt to try new things...as long as I keep sober. Thank-you, Dallas.S.


Member: Chris S
Location: PA
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 11:27:26 PM

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I have no idea what my higher powers plan is for me. Its probably better that way. If I knew I think it would take the fun out of seeing where our new lives will lead us. I feel everytime I tried to do with my life as I wanted to I led myself down a road of misery and dispair. Then I would have to run back just to catch up, and it became too much, so I would just give up. Now, being sober, I realize there are no wrong decisions as long as there made with GOD. Love to all!


Member: Shannon S.
Location: Southern Cal.
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 11:50:29 PM

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Shannon alcoholic here. Hello everyone. i got a basic idea about my higher power's plan for me by attending AA meetings. He wants me to be sober and self-supporting. He wants me to do good for some and harm to none. that's all i need to know. Best wishes to us all for a lifetime of sobriety one day at a time.


Member: Lola C.
Location: New York
Date: 10/10/00
Time: 11:57:07 PM

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Thanks everyone for sharing. I am living one day at a time to the best of my ability. I guess you either do it or you don't. I came to AA and I thought that I was just here to let go of the drink. wrong answer. A day at a time I have had to let go of much more. I pray to HP daily and I guess he is the best gift that AA could have given me. I pray to keep coming.


Member: Frank C
Location: N. California
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 1:24:20 AM

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I believe God's plan for me is to use me to plant the seed of hope in other hopeless alcoholics. He has given we alchololics the gift of being able to do so when all the other good people in the world can't seem to help a drunk. He has also given me a purpose which is stated in the 4th sentence of page 77 of the Big Book...and tells me what is not my purpose in the preceeding two sentences on page 77.....


Member: Jeff
Location: West Michigan
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 1:36:32 AM

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Hi - my name is Jeff and I am an alcoholic - as with most of the good thoughts /ideas /conceptions/understandings I have today they did not start off as mine they were given to me as a gift from you all in AA:

P452. "Acceptance is the key to my relationship with God. I ..{try not to}.. just sit and do nothing while waiting for him to tell me what to do. Rather, I do whatever is in front of me to be done, I leave the results to Him; however it turns out, that's God's will for me."

I don't know what His will is for me and even if I thought I did that would not make it necessarly so.

I know that I should not drink. I know I should talk to alcoholics. I have a written inventory of my grosser handicaps and I try to practice their opposite. I try to be willing and to ask for His help. I pray and I try to relax and take it easy (none of the above were natural or comfortable at first but I am getting better through practice)

Since I am awake at 1:22 when I should be sleeping - I am slowly progressing - I am so grateful to be awake and not fighting sleep. I will be tired tomorrow but I am not going to be hung over. Wow.

Who really knows? All I know is that I have never been so comfortable sober. I sure was not comfortable without you guys and Him.

Hard times will come...life is good..difficult..funny..sad..complicated..exciting

I'll take it, thanks for being here


Member: Joe A.   DOS 2/19/71
Location: Portland, OR
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 5:00:09 AM

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{{{world hugs}}}

Joe A. of Portland here with a couple of guesses that work for me.

It seems to me that if I could understand God, I would have to be God's equal, and I don't believe that I am that. When I speak of God, I am guessing, and I believe that no one KNOWS more about God than I do, and that is nothing.

Today, I choose to guess that God's will for me is that I live in such a way that I remain in good spirits at all times. I believe that God wants for me nothing but good. Believing that, there is no reason for me to be in a fight with God all the time like I was most of my life. It turns out that I was never fighting God, my fight was against someone else's guesswork. Today, I allow other people to make their own guesses and I allow myself to agree or disagree with anyone. I have found that I am much better off if I learn to disagree without being disagreeable. (Who needs conflict? I don't!)

It took most of the 29+ years that have gone by since my last drink to reach this point. I sure wish I had been able to do that 30 years ago. That would have saved me a lot of misery!

God loves you and wants for you nothing but good and there is nothing you can do which will change that!


Member: Craig L
Location: Portland, OR
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 12:31:31 PM

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Thank you for your sincere sharing.

I'm Craig and I'm an alcoholic. I had already established some of the groundwork in AA, before my relapse. During my relapse, it was not my plan to survive. I could not face the fear and despair any longer. I was rescued in the late stages by several miracles. Then AA friends brought me my big book while I was still in detox and I began to study it again. I was finally absolutely defeated. I still frequently found myself racing into the future. I tried to worry about the consequences of what I had done, but I was too tired to struggle with it any longer. My mantra became ďone day at a timeĒ. I found if I just attended to what was in front of me, things just fell into place, in an astonishing manor. I floated high on the pink cloud. I recently found out my sister has the same cancer that killed my mother a few years ago. I found myself feeling off kilter. I wanted to be in fear and depressed, which as you all know is no place for a drunk to hang out. So I go to meetings, when I want to be alone and I pray for the strength to be useful today. As long as I donít drink or use, I can be present for my sister and my father and my fellows. Today, I am content in my faith Thanks again


Member: MRS. LINDA D.
Location: HOUSTON, TEXAS
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 2:32:46 PM

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I'm an addict & alcoholic, my name is Linda. I am not quite sure of God's will for me, but there are a few things I truly believe are NOT his will for me. Such as, spending money on drugs and alcohol than my children. Doing the things I did when I was drunk. I can't say I was concerned concerned with God's will at that time either. Unless God lived in a bottle, we didn't seem to talk much. I was not able to care or feel compassion for another human being. My friends were all as selfish and self centered as I was. Now, I can truly say that I care about others, I have feelings inside me when someone is hurting, and it's not "what can I get out of this?". More along the lines of what can I do to help.

I can't see what God has planned for my future, but I can definitely look back and see all the ways he has molded and shaped my past. The whole key to it is very easy. STAY SOBER. I couldn't see and didn't care until the program of Alcoholics Anonymus walked into my life. From there, I had to do my part.

A dear friend always says "I don't know who God is, but when I look in the mirror, I know who he isn't."

Keep it Simple


Member: David B
Location: Phoenix AZ
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 3:31:23 PM

Comments

Hello Im Dave an addict alcoholic,my personal view on the toppic in discusion today consists of two specific feelings i have had for along time.The first would be the fact of discusion.A higher power is being discused by us all today,which tells me that everyone that can share and speak of such a thing with such deep emotion defines the actual structure for all our inner peace.The second is that without the intire wilingness to express and experience the true emotions that took us all to the depths of our hearts and souls,to the understanding that what we endore in our exsistance is in turn bringing us closer to God each and every time without conviction.thx Godbless all


Member: (big ian)
Location: west london uk
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 4:03:56 PM

Comments

hi im ian alcoholic, god!!! the fact that im able to stand upright today is a miracle!!my last drink was 12th december 1993 first meeting 13th sober ever since, to me god was a maniac,and i had proof my childhood,all sorts of abuse,the wars ect but after 6 years in aa off the head i finaly did step 4-5 and guess what i found a loving god,forgiving god,a caring god so if you are new it works i did not think i would ever sleep at night but i sleep like a baby so keep come back god bless.


Member: Sharon
Location: New Jersey
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 5:13:40 PM

Comments

RE: Kathy's quest to know her HP's plan for her. I can totally relate to this topic. I have always felt that God had a plan for me as far as a career goes. All my life, I have been undecided about what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wanted to have this great challenging job but was afraid to commit to a job. I was always restless. I did get my BA which was never a doubt. As I tried various jobs through years of alcohol and drugs, I could never find the right niche for me. Once I became a sober person, I was sure God would reveal his plan for me and give me that perfect job. Not the case at all. I married a fine man and bounced around from job to job, career change to career change. As a sober person, I returned to obtain a MA in Corporate and Public Communications. This was five years ago. Still no fantastic job and my impatience is growing thin. I decide I have had it with working. So I have my daughter in 1999. She and my husband are such a source of joy for me. I treasure them as much as I treasure them as much as I treasure my sobriety. Well I did finally get a good job. However every time I have a grumpy day, make mistakes or have a disagreement with a colleague, I'm done with this job. Moreover, I miss my daughter and I feel like I am doing her an injustice by traipsing to work while leaving her at daycare. What this amounts to is that God will show you his plan for you when HE is ready. And it won't be perfect. Have realistic expectations and keep focused on what's truly important...sobriety, love, a relationship with a HP, family, friends. I want to have a nice life with money, careers and all that. However without my sobriety and faith and trust--which I continue to struggle with everyday--no career, family, education or anything will come my way. I will continue to force the issue, feel perpetually dissatisfied and restless and risk my sobriety. The steps of AA and a relationship with a HP along with the people and literature helps to lay the foundation, we just do the footwork. Thanks for listening. Didn't mean to ramble.


Member: Tammy R.
Location: New Mexico
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 5:54:25 PM

Comments

i am tammy an alcoholic and new to this i have come to the realization the only way to stay sober is to give my all to my higher power which i choose god.and then take it day by day (sometimes minute by minute).that is the only way for me.god bless


Member: Not God!
Location: Ephraim
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 7:08:44 PM

Comments

I believe the most important thing to remember in my dealings with God, as I understand Him, is not to try to hide anything, or to try to think God doesn't know my story from the womb, to now as I write this, which I know in my heart he is also watching! "You can fool some of the people some of the time," but you can't fool God any time! Wherever I have been, whatever I have done, God has been there too! Or else I wouldn't be writing this! That is why the Honesty part of the AA program is so very, very important! So I'll just keep my house in order, seek to continue to grow in the knowledge of God, help others with what He teaches me, in spite of all the opposition that will bring!! We have heard that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions," but that don't shake my day, for "hell and the devil don't frighten me, and for that I've paid a ruinous fee," I'll keep seeking so more can SEE, that is what I'll promise thee! "Think!!"


Member: dm
Location: mass
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 9:28:15 PM

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Member: kareng
Location: Wisconsin
Date: 10/11/00
Time: 11:45:31 PM

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Hi everyone. i am new to this board and fairly new at recovery(day 49). my name is karen and i am an alcoholic. what i think that God has planned for me is to live each day as it comes, live life to the fullest, and to ttake time to smell the roses...ALL SOBER. other than that, i don't know. i do believe that everything in this life happens for a reason, so instead of whining about being an alcoholic, there must be a reason for it, and it's up to me, by the grace of God to figure that out. have a great day,everyone!i plan to be back to this site quite often:-)peace!!!!love,kareng :-)


Member: David C
Location: Mesa AZ
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 12:26:02 AM

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finding a higher power to me is easy. I just look inside myself and find what makes me go on. that to me is the easiest way to find a higher power.


Member: ChuckM
Location: Alberta
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 2:32:46 AM

Comments

I'm Chuck, an alcoholic

On page 29 of the Big Book it says "further on clearcut directions are given" I have found this to be true.

Step 11 is the daily living program of AA. God's will for me is to practise step 12. He wants me to live my life and to be willing to carry the Big Book message to alcoholics, and not hurt anyone.

If I do this some days are happy, joyous and free. Simple but it works.

Peace and Serenity


Member: Russell H
Location: NSW Australia
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 6:46:08 AM

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Gidday, Russell, alkie and haven't had a drink today. If I had written the script for how I wanted my life to be when I put the drink down I would never in my wildest dreams have imagined that it could be as good as it is. If I simply trust that everything will be okay my HP engineers it. Let Go let God is very real to this alkie. Enjoy your time at the kennel Kathy everything is as it should be. The reason will unfold. God Bless.


Member: Joe O.
Location: saint John New Brunswick ca.
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 7:05:38 AM

Comments

Hi I am Joe O. alcolholic I have been around A.A. for over twenty years now and I haven't figured out gods plan for me. With A.A.'s help I have learned to enjoy the journey and trust that if I practice the steps and traditions my higher power will take care of all else. I just try to do my best. Mistake are made and that is usually the closest I come to learning his will.


Member: Fred M
Location: MD
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 7:16:43 AM

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I'm Fred and I'm an alcoholic, sober today by the grace of God. Thanks for sharing your wisdom here today, it helps keep me sober and focused. I, too, have no idea what God's plan is for me, only guesses and clues. One clue is that I had no peace and calmness in my life when I was drinking and thinking only of myself. When I sobered up and started thinking about God, my family, and my fellow human beings, peace eventually came. From that, I now believe God wants me to be sober, focused on my relationship with him, and thinking of others more and myself less. I also have clues that with God's help my life will play out naturally according to his plan. If I stay sober, pray only for continued sobriety and to live according to his will, the next thing to be done presents itself. Then, I choose what to do according to the 12 steps. I wish I was always perfect in applying these principles. I am not. But when I am able concentrate on these simple beliefs, my life is peaceful, meaningful (to me) and serene. It is my guess that this is God's plan for me. Thanks for letting me share. Love, Fred


Member: Jacqueline Mc
Location: New Zealand
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 7:45:29 AM

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Hi, Iím Jac Mc, and Iím an alcoholic. I donít know what God/H.P.ís plan for me is... Iíve just come back to realising that there is a higher power, and Iím not her, but that he/she/it (pick your pronoun of preference) can restore me to sanity. I am just stepping back through the doors after picking up again. I was 3 weeks shy of 2 years sober when I guess I figured I could run the show. I was wrong, I canít. I am powerless over alcohol, my life has become unmanageable. Itís bad enough... Iím back. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Sheri (Sharon) F
Location: cloudy cool fall in Portland,OR
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 10:51:12 AM

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Hi, Sharon (Sheri) alkie here. What God wants in my life? How do I know His plans for me? In the 22+ years of this program I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be when I grow up. The one thing I did learn the hard way is, I don't walk on water, and the fact that I don't Want my God's job!!Seriously I am finding that all the bad things that have happened (called living life on life's terms)has made a better woman out of me. Today, I can listen, have the BB to study, fellowship of the program to be my guide thru all of "My Prolems", and I KNOW that MY God wants me sober in order to someday be able to help even one suffering person. Jobs, fancy homes, cars even my "recovery car" (goes one day at a time) and now is in relapse (won't go) lol.all things must come AFTER my God and my soberity. If I didn't have God in my life I sure wouldn't have soberity. and if I don't have soberity, I sure don't have a loving God in my life. I don't care who's gods or God you have in your life, I can respect your choice and if you don't have a God in your life,I'll LOAN you mine until and only until you find one for you. Love and prayers, Sharon


Member: tony g
Location: ma
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 12:05:58 PM

Comments

sometimes i feel we are all just a bridge that is carrying the past to the future,all of the things we invent along the way are just used to occupie our time,the real reason on earth is to work with our natural instintcs to become as close to God as we can,by thinking and acting on Gods will. he expososes the powers and beautie he posseses and is letting us see the awsomeness of life.i feel we will all go before him one day. when it's my turn i want him to know i tried my best.God has shown me the side of alcohol...and now i want to see the side without it...i ask him everyday to show me sobriety one more time.....keep going to face to face meetings......i'm tony an alcoholic


Member: Bob S.
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 2:18:54 PM

Comments

Hi all, I'm Bob, an alcoholic. Kathy K., interesting way of expressing the "praying only for knowledge of his will for me, and the power to carry that out". The religious psychiatrist, speaker, and author M. Scott Peck said: the human unconscious is always one step ahead of the conscious; we can never know for sure if we are doing or saying the correct thing until after it is out and done. That's what makes us human and fallable". I know this is not 'AA' material, but I'm not just learning how to live my life from the big book, but from wherever wisdom and knowledge may come. Peck's thesis says to me that we can never be sure if we are doing or saying the right thing in any given situation, that we do what we beleive to be right and take the consequences. He goes on to say: "if we maintain a spiritual regimen, we maintain a spiritual perspective, and this narrows the gap between conscious and unconscious". My motives are often hidden from me...I just 'think' I know what I'm up to, and do it. Being sober allows me to notice the effect my saying and doing have on my environment, helps me become more responsible for the impact I have on things/people. So, I see 'praying for knowledge of God's will for me' as being quite different than 'knowing God's will for me'. I think I'm supposed to learn to trust, to take the leap of saying and doing without 'knowing' for sure, and trust that I will know how to handle the consequences and learn from both negative and positive outcomes, move on and do better where indicated next time. Maybe too much mumbo-jumbo in all this. The 'clean house, trust in God, make amends, help others' and stay sober in the process, has alot of possibilities within it. Appreciate the opportunity to share my perspective, E, S, & H. Love and good will to all, Bob


Member: marv
Location:
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 3:09:42 PM

Comments

im just a burnt out x-speedfriek alcoholic,jobless bum going nowhere fast.it will take an act of something to save me.meds arnt working,tennsion mounting.help


Member: Who's Dense
Location: Babylon
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 6:25:56 PM

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It seems to me that the most logical way of finding out what God's Will is for anyone, is to first of all find out what God's Will is for the earth as a whole. After you know that, you can then see by studying His Word, the Bible, if you can fit in anywhere in God's plan. God has laws that need to be observed, so if you want to have God show mercy and favor unto you, then you had better look into what God's laws mean to you, and if you can or will observe them! Of course I am sure that God is somewhat pleased by you ceasing your destructive ways, and seeking to grow in a constructive way! But that is by no means enough! There are many people who have never done many of the things we Alcoholics have done, who follow their supposed doctrines of organized salvation for every one in the congregation he attends. But there are 7000 other congregations also, who all lay claim to the same salvation, but all with different doctrines! It is said that if the demons are divided against the demons, how can their kingdom stand? God does not have 7000 different doctrines of salvation, but only one! And the program of AA, I am sorry to say, is not that one! And God's kingdom will materialize and stand, with only the pure doctrine of His Son, who is my sponsor, Jesus Christ; for there is no other name that is named among men, whereby you must needs be saved! Or do you say that Christ has been divided, and if so with who? Is He a Jewish God, a Catholic God, a Protestant God, or a cultist God? NO!! He is the Son of the only true God, who sits on His right hand, and does not argue with His Father about 7000 different doctrines of salvation!! Well, that is God, as I understand Him, if ye want to "Think!!" on that.


Member: glitch
Location:
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 9:35:43 PM

Comments

me thinks that world war three is upon us,armour up america.....prepare for battle.... ..........stocks will drop so fast your heads will spin........oill wells will fall into enemy missels...............beware,be ready,be pre pared,stock up on rations.


Member: Joel H
Location: Midwest
Date: 10/12/00
Time: 10:53:53 PM

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Joel is an alcoholic. My wife and I are about to have our first child next month. I'm frightened. I have tried to stop drinking...sometimes it has worked, other times it hasn't. My wife knows about my problem and is probably going to leave me. I am a professional person and a completely functional alcoholic. I have never had any problems with work. How do I start my recovery? v/r Joel


Member: Bo Peep
Location: Texas
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 12:49:39 AM

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Joel, Sorry to have to tell you this, but "completely functional alcoholic" is an oxymoron...obviously you aren't functioning in some aspect or you would not be worried about your wife leaving you because of your problem. You start your recovery by NOT Drinking, just for today. Then get to AA as fast as you can. If you are honest with yourself and really want to stop drinking, you will find the help you need to start your recovery at AA meetings. If you need professional help, either physically or mentally do not hesitate to seek it. AA has saved my life and I urge you to stop drinking if you are an alcoholic. If you can't do it for Joel (at first) do it for your precious child. Can you really be the best Daddy to that baby if you are drunk? I thank God every day for my children...I almost lost the first one before I woke up. Sobriety is not a bad thing. My life is much happier and I do not hate that person looking back at me in the mirror every morning any more. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Thannks for letting me be a part of this wonderful fellowship.


Member: lola h
Location: aus
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 7:00:59 AM

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Hi Joel i'm Lola and i'm an alcoholic, clean and sober for 1 year. I thought i was a functioning alcoholic also, and I looked at the diferences and not the simalarities of other alcoholics.First things first,just try and not pick up that first drink a day at a time, try and keep a journal of your sober days for a couple of weeks and note the difference in your new sober life, congratulations on finding aa I pray you have a long and happy life with your wife and child a day at a time.


Member: Rich R, slowly recovering compulsive person :-)
Location: Detroit
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 7:20:39 AM

Comments

Hello, thanks Kathy for the topic, as usual it is just what I need today. Yesterday, the stock market went down a lot. I am a compulsive gambler (in addition to alcoholic). Part of my gambling was the stock market. I know today that my Higher Power's will for me is to NOT look longingly at the stock market. I have proven over and over again that the stock market is addictive for me! It is also my Higher Power's will for me that I not drink, smoke or overeat today. Other than that, I just need to remain humble and remember that my HP's in charge of my life! Thanks for letting me share here.


Member: Mark D
Location: NH,USA
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 8:52:41 AM

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Mark D here, newly (1 1/2 months) recovering alcoholic. I'm going to start a new streak today because I screwed up yesterday. I feel very badly about it but also different than I have in the past. I've been in a month long IOP program which has given me a wealth of tools to use in dealing with my sickness. I just have to use them. Looking back I can see the various instances that my HP was working to give me signs and warn me. I just chose to not pay attention. I have felt proud of my progress in this program, which involves going to meetings as well... pride is kind of a new feeling for me, and I want to get it back. thanks for listening.Mark D


Member: D Lee
Location: MA, USA
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 2:28:43 PM

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Joel, find your local AA group and grab onto them as if your life depended on it. Your baby's does. Your baby needs you.

HP's plan: I was told to put one foot in front of the other and when I hit a brick wall, turn right. Eventually I would find HP's will for me. has worked every time!


Member: AA works!
Location: All over the world!
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 4:35:36 PM

Comments

In the Oct. 13-AA Thought for the Day, in the 24 Hour Book we read:

"AA work is one hundred percent voluntary. It depends on each and every one of our members to volunteer to do his or her share. A newcomer can sit on the sidelines until he has got over his nervousness and his confusion. He has a right to be helped by all, until he can stand on his own feet. But the time inevitably comes when he has to step up to do his share in meetings (here or there) and in twelfth-step work. Until that time comes, he is not a vital part of AA. He is only in the process of being assimilated. Has my time come to volunteer?"

With regard to Joel, it is difficult for me to say what is right for him. The face to face meetings I have been to lately are no place for a newcomer, sorry to say! But then again it seems just as difficult to try to work out an AA program for yourself on the Internet, as many disturbing and unruly people show themselves there as well! My suggestion to Joel would be to get hold of the book Alcoholics Anonymous, which some libraries even have, until you can get one of your own. But the therapeutic substance of how a successful AA personal program could work for Joel is written on those pages. I am 24 years sober, only 24 hours at a time, and believe I have a Good Godly AA program worked out for myself, that can be found in the AA book, if sincerely Practiced with Honesty, Willingness and an Open Mind! If any who see this message might agree with me, then help Joel along these lines, and we just might see another miracle!!


Member: ww111
Location:
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 4:47:14 PM

Comments

prepare for world war three

theyre getting ready for it


Member: ww111
Location:
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 4:47:26 PM

Comments

prepare for world war three

theyre getting ready for it


Member: Bruce A.
Location: Crowsnest,PA
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 5:26:05 PM

Comments

HI EVERYONE Bruce A an alcoholic, When I tried to run the show things didn't turn out so well. After I came to AA and turned my life and will over to a HP miracles started to happen. sometimes now I still want to be in control of everything but it works better when I base my life on spiritual principles. May your HP always be your guide, LOVE Bruce A.


Member: DOUGLY DO RIGHT
Location: MOUTAINS/  Fla
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 6:36:23 PM

Comments

It may work for some without God {and time}but I dont think that would work for my type of Alk. The best thing Bill W. did with the steps is Number them!Without God' How can I take an inventory,and then share it with another person. Either God is or He isn't. A wonderful Creator. Who are WE without GOD????


Member: Corinne G
Location: Mount Vernon, Ohio
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 6:41:34 PM

Comments

Of course I too, am unsure of what the big plan is for me from my Higher Power. But I am learning to get out of the way and quit trying to control things. When I(or my ego) is in control everything seems to be an up-hill battle. But when I sit back, and let my HP be in control, things go much better. It is very hard sometimes, because I want, what I want, and I want it now. I am practicing to be satisfied where I am, because I have faith that is where I am supposed to be.


Member: Norm P
Location: Indiana
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 8:11:13 PM

Comments

Perhaps this "rule" we have about posting only once a week ought to be relaxed a bit. I try my best to follow the guidelines but what are we supposed to do when newcomers like Joel and Mark show up? For myself,I can not hold back from them. I,too,was a "functioning" alcoholic. I not only didn't lose anything,I gained...a job(I didn't have one),a house and I got both my kids back- all during(and shortly after)my drinking career. The only time I went to jail,it wasn't an alcohol-related offense. The quality of my life stunk and there was nothing I could do about it! I didn't know how bad it stunk until I had been sober awhile. Look at your relationships. Are you doing everything you are capable of? I was nowhere near the mark. I was existing-not living I was only surviving,just getting by. Is that good enough for you and your family? If not,I would advise you to attend some AA meetings. At your first one,pick up a copy of the meeting schedule so you will know the time and place of all the meetings. Buy a copy of the book "Alcoholics Anonymous". The first 164 pages contain the instructions for a sober life. But don't try it alone because no matter how intelligent you may be,you will be unable to practice it at first without the guidance of someone who has already done it. So seek out such a person at the meetings,one who will help you work the 12 Steps. Mark-welcome back. It's all in working the Steps (see above). It's not just going to meetings and talking the talk. Wishing you all a sober 24.


Member: usa
Location:
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 8:20:34 PM

Comments

friday the 13th..................full moon tonite...............missels overhead.......

..........communications down............. ..........jerusalum julie are you ok????


Member: Charlie M.
Location: texas
Date: 10/13/00
Time: 10:02:49 PM

Comments

Great topic. Sober today purely by the Grace of God. Hope all that are struggling tonight are ok. I hope that you will experience powerlessness as not to makes sobriety unobtainable. Trust God. He does have a plan and you fit.


Member: Pete K.
Location: Vegas
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 5:45:06 AM

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Kathy K was aking about knowing God's plan, and sometimes God's plan is for us to be in a holding pattern. I know there have been times when the doors slam shut before I can knock on them-- I'm in a holding pattern.

When we are deep in the belly of a difficult situation, there are no interruptions. God has our undivided attention. All we can do is sit, think, meditate, and pray. We cannot run from God because there are no mountains that are high enough, valleys that are low enough, rivers that are wide enough, rooms that are dark enough, or places that are hidden enough from Him.

As I come up on 11 years clean and sober (10/31), three things I've learned come to mind:

1. The pattern has a purpose.

2. The pattern has a plan.

3. The pattern has a process.

So stop struggling and start listening, praying and trusting. He'll keep you right where you are until you can clearly hear Him say, "I love you."

The shortest distance between a problem and a solution is the distance between your knees and the floor. Sometimes it's the distance between where you're standing now, and the nearest meeting.

The promises of AA have turned out to be real promises. The beauty of them is that they have led me to seek, and ultimately to find that God has promises, too. God's promises are real and in them there I find His plan for me.


Member: Cheryl H.
Location: WI
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 9:45:08 AM

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I think from being in AA and relapsing for the last 6 years and still going to meetings, I keep hearing from other AA's that each of us have a different story so that we can help the newcomer who comes in with a similar story to ours. I think part of God's will for me is to stop thinking of my selfish "needs",and start the constant thought of others, of what I can pack into the stream of life, bring the best "me" to every situation. I heard once in a meeting that God's will usually seems to be what I don't feel like doing, or what's inconvenient to me. But after I do this thing that's inconvenient, I feel real good when it's over. As far as knowing what God's will is for my future career or relationships, I just do what is in front of me and don't try to conrol things too much. Now, for mister "inventory taker" from 10-9-00, please read tradition 10, having no opintion on outside issues falls under politics also. AA is sacred ground for me and alot of others and once political issues as well as any hot issues that we have an opinion on is talked about at an AA meeting, our singleness of purpose is lost, the newcomer who hears this talk at a meeting may choose not to come back to that meeting because it's a republican or liberal or "leftist" meeting. With love and hugs.


Member: Nancy
Location: California
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 1:56:55 PM

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Hi I'm Nancy alcoholic, Like it has already been said I have no idea what my higher power has in store for me and the more I try and figure it out the worse off I am. I do know that I have a wonderful life today as a result of AA. No where else could I have had the spiritual changes that I have had over the years I have been sober if there weren't something out there taking care of me. I have had seen and felt proof of this or I wouldn't still be here. I don't always like the lessons I have to experence in order to grow but I accept them (most of the time). There has never been a situation (Good or bad)that has come up in my sober life that I came out of without somekind of spiritual change. It has taken me 11 years to fully understand the concept of a higher power. Before I just trusted you (AA members) believe so I believed. Little by little I was able to see the changes in my life. I am soooooooooo greatful I did not quit. (quit for me is to drink) I would have missed it all. To all who are struggling with this hang in there. Believe we believe and one day you will too.


Member: Chris H.        
Location: Florida
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 3:03:30 PM

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Chris H. here--Alcoholic-addict-bulimic -- THIS has been just what I needed to hear today,a s I have really been questioning "God's Plan" (what ever that is) for my life. I find myself stuck AGAIN , in the mire of my chronic Physical condition (CFS), and I hate it. MY problem is that I beging to think that I will never get better. I focus on that rather than , as we have heard in this meeting, what GOd has to teach me in the moment. I just hope that I am not so hard headed that my HP is going to have to keep doing this before I'll listen to Him. I was very discouraged the last two days, but today is better. It has really been good to hear how everyone else has dealt with this problem. What a wonderful program we have. TO those who are reluctant to join our way of life, I say that I KNOW that it is hard to admit your addcitions and be honest with yourself, God, and another person, but that the serenity and peace I feel by just reading this websight is wonderful. I had never known peace like this before. Even though I was a very religious person ( addicted religious person!) involved in church and many other Christian groups. WHen I get to a meeting my stomach feels relaxed and entire body feels rested...who says that health doesn't start from within! I Thank everyone for participating in this meeting. It is the only meeting I can get to right now and is keeping me close enough to the program that I can obtain a measure of serenity. 'Till next week!


Member: Joel H.
Location: N.C.
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 3:35:32 PM

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To Joel, I also am a Joel, the east coast though. I am no professional, just a trucker. I struggled with alcoholism for a long time until I was facing prison, was at an emotional bottom that I cannot describe, except only a living hell. There was only one option left for me, stay sober or die. I found my answer in AA and on my knees. I have come to understand the true meaning of powerlessness. It is a One Day At A Time process. AA will give you simple tools, much like a prescription. All "you" have to do is follow the instructions. Depends on how bad you want it Joel. Anyone can handle the battles of one day, and I have been told that as long as I stay sober, everything else in my life is a situation subject to change. Contact your local AA chapter, don't let your fear or anxiety drag you down. God Bless you friend and your family. Grateful for today, for the program, and for those in my life that love me. Thanx...


Member: JimB.
Location: Roi Namur, RMI
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 3:58:49 PM

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Hi all JimB. here, happy to know I'm alcoholic and grateful to be sober today! For me knowing what God's will for me is not always clear. First and foremost I know it is his will for me to stay sober and as such I must do the foot work to insure my sobriety, i.e. Go to meetings, Read the Big Book, Work the steps, Get a sponser, Get phone numbers, Get into service. Outside of that when dealing with a particular problem I try to think things through and listen to the still small voice within for guidance as to what my next course of action should be. I invariably find when I do this a small piece of the puzzle is revealed and in time all of the pieces come together and I see the bigger picture. Then I know that God was doing for me what I could not do for myself. Of course it's easy to become overwhelmed by the bigger picture but it helps me to remember that if I can just stay sober today then I am a winner! Thanks for 12 stepping me. Jim


Member: Robert J
Location: Rupert, Id.
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 7:31:25 PM

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I'm an Alcoholic, My Name is Robert. Well Kathy that is pretty good.. One thing my sponser's all told me is I shouldn't know what my Higher Power has in mind for me until it happens.. I find that when I just let it happen I found what they have in mind for me.. I moved from California to Idaho with no Idea what was gonna happen.. I'm currently working in a feild I had no clue about.. I'm used to being in the entertainment industry and I'm in construction now.. So I just let my have the control and I just do what is in front of me.. I really don't know what else to say about that.. Hope to see you here again though... For now I'm still sick so I'll be back again.. Love to All..


Member: Robert J
Location: Rupert, Id.
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 7:31:58 PM

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I'm an Alcoholic, My Name is Robert. Well Kathy that is pretty good.. One thing my sponser's all told me is I shouldn't know what my Higher Power has in mind for me until it happens.. I find that when I just let it happen I found what they have in mind for me.. I moved from California to Idaho with no Idea what was gonna happen.. I'm currently working in a feild I had no clue about.. I'm used to being in the entertainment industry and I'm in construction now.. So I just let my have the control and I just do what is in front of me.. I really don't know what else to say about that.. Hope to see you here again though... For now I'm still sick so I'll be back again.. Love to All..


Member: crazed
Location:
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 8:44:56 PM

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crazed


Member: Lionel.C
Location: Campbelltown NSW Australia
Date: 10/14/00
Time: 11:02:35 PM

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Hello everyone my name is Lionel Iam an alcoholic. And i better get to know what my H.P's plan is for me .Because when I get up there HE's not going to ask me how long i've been sober HE'll probably ask what i've done with my sobriety.And that is to give away whats been given to me from you beautiful people.That there is life after alcohol and other drugs.A life thats beyond my wildess dreams.thankyou all Lionel