Member: AnilG
Location: Mt Vernon,IL
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 7:33:29 AM
I am an alcoholic "let go let god" has helped me It reminds me to focus on myself have faith on my HP. take day at a time. I have stresses of day to day life like anybody dealing with them the best I can instead of arguing/trying to get my point accross or winning a point I let it go. I try to find peace within me and my recovery. thanks to aa and alnon.
Member: Donnie M.
Location: Short Gap, WV (D.O.S. 3-1-99)
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 8:51:12 AM
Hi to all Donnie here and I am a alcoholic. Good topic "let go and let God". Lets see in the beginning of my recovery this was the last phrase I wanted to hear because I was so angry with God. I would all most list this anger as a hate towords him. I was a harsh and uncomprimising drunk and ususally lashed out at those I needed the most be it family, friends, and especially God. I had been laying the blame for everything that was happening to me on those around me. It could never be my doing or my beloved booze. I hit my bottom as we all have and had to look to those I had been rejecting for far to many years. Yeah I was beat and I found myself sitting with a twelve pack on some church steps after another attempt to end my life and crying wondering why God was torturing me. I did not know it at the time, but I found myself at the so called jumping of point life with or without booze had to stop. I honestly ask God to help me that night and the change happened. I have not found the reason to use any type of mind altering substance since. Today I have a understanding of a higher power who I call God and life is still tough, but I have found that dealing with those problems that arise is far easier to handle sober than it was drunk. I say a prayer each night before I enter bed and it is the first thing I do in the morning. Yeah somedays it is just a simple thank you, but that is a lot different than the way I used to greet God each day. I feel that I am rambling, but to find God is simple for some, but harder for others. I have learned if you stop fighting and just let go God will carry you until you can carry yourself. Thanks for letting me ramble and God bless all.
Member: Mark
Location: New York
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 10:52:36 AM
Oh yeah, I like this! Great topic, much along the lines as last weeks with prayer and meditation. Funny thing to me is though how people often confuse this idea with "doing nothing." It's easy to just say "Oh yeah, I turned it over to God and that's all I can do." It's a whole 'nother ballgame to actually do it! It's nothing more than a cop-out to say that and just leave it at that as I then have to proceed to take the action required of myself, such as praying for the PPT(person, place, and/or thing)and doing whatever I need to do to insure I'm not just being spiritually lazy as is my tendency on occasion. I just love God and know that my deal is trying to figure out the difference of wisdom to know the difference, and just thinking I do because some other alkie said it's so. I personally do my most serious work of "letting go and letting God" by getting as far away from AA and staying away for long periods of time as they can also be very detrimental despite the rhetoric to the contrary. Alright, enough for my weekly share, I'm just happy to see another topic dealing with God as it's all too rare in AA. One more little thingy---If you don't like my views, just "Let Go and Let God," that's all you have to do! Pray for me....
Member: Tracy
Location: Essex, England
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 11:14:03 AM
Yep I do. Nothing else to say quite self explainatry
Member: Steven S.
Location: Texas
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 1:09:30 PM
"Let Go Let God" I recently screwed up two and half years of sobriety over the loss of the woman I believed I would spend the rest of my life with. I prayed that God would do what was best for our relationship...wether togethor or apart. I have to believe that apart is what is best but I can't help but hurt. I have an appointment with my doctor on Monday to get some antibuse and have recently began seeing a counselor. Drinking again will lead to me losing everything I have left. It is temporarly relieving the pain from my loss. I do know it is temporary. I am lost and want to be found. I know what I need to do but I am in pain and returing to drinking is helping. I know God will intervene but not until I am willing to let him.
Member: Bob D
Location: upstate NY
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 1:14:21 PM
Another great topic, at the time I need it most. Much like you Donnie M., I was very angry with God for a whole host of reasons none of which were valid in retrospect, and that anger flowed out of me and touched everyone and everything around me including the people I love the most in this world. I was too stubborn and obstinate to ask anyone for help, and felt that this was a sign of weakness. After all, only the strong survive, right? I have come to beleive that only with God's help and with the help of other people that I am convinced work through Him, can one truly be strong and able to deal with the crap that life keeps throwing down in front of you. Peace and serenity to all.
Member: Barb S.
Location: Canada
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 1:58:53 PM
Steven S- hang in there! It sounds like you know what you need to do and are taking action to get back on track. It would be a good time to seek out meetings if they are available in your area. I'll pray for you.
Member: Pam B
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 3:08:48 PM
Hi - I'm Pam - an alcoholic. I am powerless over alcohol – my life unmanageable. In Step 1 I surrendered to that Greater Power that can remove the power that alcohol had over me & my life. (I Let Go & Let God). >>>> But my life is still Unmanageable. Step 2 is where I began learning how to practice Let Go & Let God be the Manager instead of me. >>>>> I have been used to running the show my way & the way I think is best for me & for everyone else since birth. To do so is what is “normal” & “right” to me. Praying to be able to apply Honesty, Open-mindedness & Willingness is what motivated me to start selecting just one big deal or problem or incident at a time each day - to PRACTICE (by piece meal) staying completely out of what is going on. >>>> Pray God’s Will be done with it – then Stay out of it, do nothing - & let that Greater Power (my HP that I choose to call God) show me what HE can do when I Let Go & Let Him be in the driver’s seat, instead of the continued mess I make of things seeking to manage things myself. (if there’s a part that I am to do that is in alignment w/how He is taking care of it – He makes that clearly known to me. God speaks to me thru others – esp my sponsor & other sober AA’s). The amazing results motivate me to practice this again. & then again & so on. Instead of merely mouthing a belief in God, while reality is that I had always relied on myself as the god I believed in (& then kept drinking over the rage & conflicts & failures of the unmanageable mess that always resulted in for me, while dishonestly placing the “blame” for it everywhere except where it belongs) – I found a real faith in God (my HP) – the Greater Power that I can rely on. I came to believe (KNOW) that I can Let Go & Let God about anything. Completion of all 12 of the Steps taught me proper use of the will – that wisdom to know the difference between which is my part to do & which is God’s. Until then, I had to run my ideas by my sponsor & others to see what it sounds like to them before taking any actions that I thought best for me or anyone else. At times I still often do whenever its something new comes along that I've never had to deal with before. I had to let others help me. This is a “we” program & fellowship. Thanks for letting me share. Pam
Member: Natalie
Location: Texas
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 3:27:33 PM
"Let Go and Let God" This a a great topic for me especially at this point in my sobriety, which has not been long. I have on a daily bases been practicing letting go and letting God be in the drivers seat. I had (have) alot of fears in going back where I have come from which was near death. I have found it to be a great thing for me to do. Stay in today. Don't worry about the things going on around me, or what tommorow will bring. It is such a relief that I can trust that God will do what he sees fit. All the worrying a can cast. And as someone had said above let God carry me until we can walk together. Thanks!
Member: Lynda
Location: small town ontario canada
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 5:39:29 PM
HI friends, Lynda here, alcoholic. Let Go and Let God for me means stop worrying about 'it', do what is in front of me, ask God to handle it and don't get attached to outcomes. My great alcoholic brain tells me that I am in charge and know what is best for everyone...and we all know where that got me---HERE. so, just for today i think i'll "be where my hands are" and let God take care of the rest. another 24 hours of sobriety to all.
Member: Donna Y.
Location: SC /USA
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 5:39:41 PM
I am Donna and a recovering alcoholic for 3 yrs now. Would have been 11 yrs, but three years ago I fell off that awesome wagon of sobriety into a hole of darkness and terror once again. My belief in God and the steadfast love of my family and my true friends pulled me back. The last 3 yrs of sobriety have been awesome and I am here for anyone who wants to talk or scream yell pray cry or just give a cyber hug of sobriety. The only higher power in my life is God and I know that he carries me thru it all cause I cant do it alone. If I may share something with those who believe: Psalm 34:18 The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. thanks Donna
Member: Harry K
Location: UK
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 6:49:29 PM
Pam, you said it all for me! In spite of a few 24 hours in our fellowship, my life is STILL unmanagable. That's why the dependence and reliance on my GOD is so important to me. I'm still very clever, and when I want what I want my subconcious goes into high gear pretty quick trying to "justify" and rationalise why I should have it. The fact for me is this. I wake up each morning and do the best 11th step I can. I do nothing but suit up and show up and in the course of the day, GOD instructs me what I need to do (And stay away from!). I've read a couple of earlier posts from people who seem to blame GOD for the "hard times" that had befallen them. I wont minimize the pain and suffering these folks are going through because I know how badly it hurts. But I've also learned that there are no accidents. I don't know the plan GOD has for me but I do know that when I lose something I'm not being punished but perhaps being taught something I needed to learn. When I am given somthing I also know I should learn to enjoy it and not think that I get to keep it forever. So long as I trust in GOD's faithfulness I can make it. I don't need to understand it. That's the kind of faith that I now have. I had to work at it, and only after a long period did I see haow things unfolded. But like you said Pam, If I start messing about with it, it will certainly go wrong. Thanks for letting me type.
Member: UNKNOWN
Location:
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 8:04:13 PM
Pam B, Could you please e-mail your e-mail as I would like to respond
Member: AZbill
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 8:41:43 PM
Hi Bill here, alcoholic from Arizona. On August 21 1981, I slammed down a half a drink and walked out of a barroom never to drink again. I had no reason to drink nor did I have any reason not to drink. I believe in my heart that this was divine intervention and God driven. I firmly believe that God will do for me what I cannot do for myself. I also believe just as strongly that He will not do for me what I can. This is a God program and it is a We program. But each one of us must do the footwork. Thank you all for being here today. az-bill@mindspring.com
Member: Who ever
Location:
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 8:56:32 PM
Wow!! Maybe I could categorize the Early Sobriety Topics within the Discussion Sessions and we could all learn and educate ourselves. Maybe Jan BB who cares about the world and Pam who's Sober Girl could all educate us on this. I know that I never will be like them; am absolutely disgusted on how they deal with things. I am actually still in shock and hope to never be like them.
Member: Joe O.
Location: Midwestern USA
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 9:31:24 PM
"Let go of what?", I used to wonder. When I was a child, I got told to "Let go!" a lot, since I wanted for my own self just about everything I saw around me. It has taken a while to sort out what we must actually let go of, and I have learned I do not have to let go of my hopes, dreams, desires and so on ... but that I must let go of any idea I can make them happen. So then, I have learned it is necessary to "Let go!" of any idea I might manage my own life successfully, and/or rightly decide what is best for me. To wit: "Both you and the new man must walk day by day in the path of spiritual progress. If you persist, remarkable things will happen. When we look back, we realize that the things which came to us when we put ourselves in [the] hands [of the One who created us] were better than anything we could have planned. Follow the dictates of a Higher Power and you will presently live in a new and wonderful world, no matter what your present circumstances!" ("Big Book", Basic Text, page 100).
Member: Stumpy
Location: Texas
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 10:48:05 PM
Excellent topic and excellent discussion y'all. When I hear "Let God and Let God," I think of the importance of forgiveness. Whenever GSO gets around to rewriting the steps, they might add a step which states 'We made a list of all the people which we believe harmed us and asked God to let us forgive them.' A lot of us, not just AA's, are consumed with hate, resentments, a desire to get even, whatever you want to call it, and that evil just sits inside of us and festers until one day it boils over. And when that day comes, it will not be a good day, whether we drink or do some other drug or do something equally stupid. The only way to get rid of that festering wound it to forgive all that we feel have harmed us and let God handle the situation. If we have been wronged, let God take care of it. We are only harming ourselves by holding on to those ill feelings. If we forgive, as we wish to be forgiven, we will be freed. God bless y'all and have a blessed day.
Member: AZbill
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Date: 7/27/2003
Time: 11:55:50 PM
We have gone through 4 editions of the Book and the first 164 pages have never been changed. I hope it remains that way. We seem to forget we took our name from the book and not the other way around. The book came first These steps have been working since 1934 millions and millions have gotten sober using it. There is no reason to change it. Thanks..sorry for the double dip love you all az-bill@mindspring.com
Member: Stumpy - why would GSO rewrite it? Its already in our Steps
Location:
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 1:46:02 AM
From BB Chp 5 "How It Works" pg 66 67 (paperback 3rd Edition) ". . .To conclude that others were wrong was as far as most of us ever got. The usual outcome was that people continued to wrong us & we stayed sore . . . It is plain that a life which includes deep resentment leads only to futility & unhappiness. To the precise extent that we permit these, do we squander the hours that might have been worth while . . . If we were to live we had to be free of anger . . . We turned back to the list . . . prepared to look at it from an entirely different angle. We began to see that the world & its people really dominated us. In that state, the wrong-doing of others, fancied or real, had power to actually kill. How could we escape? We saw that these resentments must be mastered, but how? We could not wish them away any more than alcohol . . .This was our course: We realized that the people who wronged us were perhaps spiritually sick. Though we did not like their symptoms & the way these disturbed us, they, like ourselves, were sick too. We asked God to help us show them the same tolerance, pity, & patience that we would cheerfully grant a sick friend. When a person offended we said to ourselves, "This is a sick man. How can I be helpful to him? God save me from being angry. Thy will be done . . . Putting out of our minds the wrongs others had done, we resolutely looked for our own mistakes . . ."
Member: Rich M.
Location: Miyazaki, Japan
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 2:22:14 AM
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an alcoholic. I think this is a great topic! Whenever I have been able to ask for my higher power's assistance, he's always come through, although I don't always see the help immediately. Thinking of letting go and letting God has been particularly useful when I felt I have been wronged by someone. I pray to God, asking that they get what they want in life. The first time I did this I was told by my sponsor to pray for them each day for two weeks, or until the resentment passed, whichever came first. I've been amazed that whenever I have prayed for someone, I have never had to pray for the entire two weeks. I live in a part of Japan where it's almost impossible to go to a f2f meeting in a language I can understand. It's great to be able to share with other alcoholics through the use of this "electronic meeting". I'm very thankful to be sober today.
Member: Rarely
Location: Winnipeg. Man. Can.
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 2:43:26 AM
Rarely alcoholic. If your going to do the crime. you better be prepared to do the time. If your sick and tired of paying the penalty over and over, Then let go and let God. If your going to be an asshole, then expect to be treated as an asshole, If you don't like being treated like an asshole, Let go and let God. I once read in the old 24 hours a day book... do not search for happiness search for the right kind of living and happiness will be your reward, Happiness is a by-product of the right kind of living. I also heard that I only change when I have three alternatives left (1) kill myself (2) drink (3) do the steps. If they change the steps I may have to revert to choice # (2) and up to this point for the most part Ive enjoyed a sober happy life
Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 9:49:05 AM
Hi, Kelly an alcoholic. "Let Go And Let God", is and will always be the slogan I need to remember and work on (daily). I got by on SELF- propulsion and SELF-will for most of my life. I was a prisoner of self and I pushed my way through life with the ball and chain of alcohol around my ankle. AA cut off the ball and chain and now I am free and I can run again and walk with ease in my daily life. My favorite saying I used to say to myself over and over to get through the day was "whatever it takes", or "rise to the occasion". Every day was a struggle to get through till I could go home and drink myself silly. I noticed that I have banished those internal sayings and replaced them with, "Thy will be done not mine" and "my will is of no use whatever". My will and your dime would not buy me a cup of coffee. My will did not work and was flawed with the disease of alcoholism written all over it. My will was the alcohol talking and in charge. My will was not even my own, it was being held hostage by booze. My will had to be smashed and since it has I am free of the bondage of alcohol and SELF as long as I {{{LET GO}}} and give it over to God every day. He hasn't let me down yet! Peace. Kelly
Member: Gayle C.
Location: Taunton, MA
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 9:53:25 AM
Hi, Everyone!! Gayle, alcoholic. I read though prior comments on the topic "Let Go, Let God". For years I had struggled with this concept. I thought I was in control. Within the last two months I have totally given up the control and interestingly enough wonderful things are happening without my help. My sponsor who is very spriritual guides me in understanding who God is and am learning to really trust HIM. I grew up in a "self-made, I'll believe when I see it". I know that without the fellowship of A.A. and God my life would not be what I am experiencing today. We all have needs and wants, to finally give up the driver's seat is actually a relief. Whew!!! Whatever level we at in recovery, we all can learn from each other. I love this fellowship!! I have met some wonderful people by doing service work as G.S.R. So, in reading the comments of how others Let Go and Let God.
Member: Joe O.
Location: Midwestern USA
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 9:54:11 AM
AZbill: Like you, I hope the first 164 pages never change. But even if some entity ever does try doing that, it would never be able to round up all the accurate copies! You have written, “We seem to forget we took our name from the book and not the other way around. The book came first ...” May I respectfully suggest a correction there? First there were some “Anonymous Alcoholics”, then the book they wrote sharing their combined experience (page 19) was named accordingly, and then a later-arriving “national institution” (Foreword To Second Edition) borrowed the name of that book for its own. My overall point here is simply this: aa-R-us, and we are but a society of recovered alcoholics who wrote the book from which today's A.A. later got its name ...
Member: Maureen P
Location: Tucson, AZ
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 10:01:18 AM
Hi Guys, this is a superb topic for me. I lost my husband last September after 26 years of marriage, and he never saw me drink!!! I met him when I was 7 months sober. Lately I have been thinking how much I wish I had died with him. My lose is great,and then I read what Harry K said, God has His reasons and it is not for me to understand but to do the footwork I need to do today, like joining this cyber group, getting to work to support myself, and be open to my life without Arthur. I am grateful to all God has given me in sobriety and have to remember that is He who is in control and I need to let Him do His job. He does it so much better than I. thanks for letting me share, and a special thank you to you, Harry.
Member: Ron the rocket
Location:
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 10:11:44 AM
To Joe O. Midwestern U.S.A. and AZbill.... You two seem to be a step up on the history of A.A. and I would like to ask you if you ever heard of the rumor that when Dr.Bob had his last drink, on the weekend that he went on that medical seminar June 10 1935 the birth date of A.A. It now seems that the seminar took place that following weekend June 17 there by changeing the birth date of our fellowship. can you shed any light on this subject rontherocket@hotmail.com
Member: Craig L (Dogmanor@yahoo.com)
Location: Aloha, Oregon
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 10:19:47 AM
Craig here, another real alcoholic (page 21). When I think of the topic, I remember sitting alone drunk in my apartment, fantasizing about the past and future. I would chew on my resentments, like the proverbial dog with his bone. I would worry about all the dreadful things that were yet to befall me. I was always scared, upset and angry, not to mention very sick. Once I stopped drinking (with a medical procedure), the steps showed me the way to sanity and Peace. In practicing the steps daily, I now have the choice to believe my mind and become enraged at the world, or turn to God and let go of those things I cannot change.
Member: richard m
Location: sarasota , florida
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 11:24:37 AM
HELLO MY NAME IS RICHARD M..........I AM AN ALCOHOLIC.....i do this step each day in the practicing my faith in the church in which i am a memember............it is so wonderfull to liosten to the word of god being spoken by his ordained ministers.....and by the ministers who are the " laity " ....what a difference...........At any rate it all belongs to GOD and he is responsible for my sobriety and i gratefully thank and acknowledge him for that...... When we say a god of our understanding .....we acknowledge the same conscious contact........where he does not want us to drink alcohol...............we do not create a new god...........rather we simply open the door he created for us and step into his presence..amen............!!!!!!!!
Member: THOMAS A.
Location: SPOKANE, WA
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 12:24:17 PM
HI MY NAME IS THOMAS I AM A ALCOHOLIC. I AM HAPPY THAT I AM A BELEIVER IN GOD AND GOD IS A BELEIVER IN ME, I'VE HAD A GREAT LIFE, TILL THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND ANYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG IN MY LIFE HAS, AND I CAN'T BLAME ANYONE BUT MY SELF, AND MY ACTIONS. ALL I WANT AND AM WILLING TO DO IS GET MY LIFE ON THE TRACK.TO GIVE MORE TIME TO TALK TO GOD, AND SHARE TIME WITH MY FAMILY WHO ARE SO IMPORTANT TO ME.
Member: THOMAS A.
Location: SPOKANE, WA
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 12:24:38 PM
HI MY NAME IS THOMAS I AM A ALCOHOLIC. I AM HAPPY THAT I AM A BELEIVER IN GOD AND GOD IS A BELEIVER IN ME, I'VE HAD A GREAT LIFE, TILL THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND ANYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG IN MY LIFE HAS, AND I CAN'T BLAME ANYONE BUT MY SELF, AND MY ACTIONS. ALL I WANT AND AM WILLING TO DO IS GET MY LIFE ON THE TRACK.TO GIVE MORE TIME TO TALK TO GOD, AND SHARE TIME WITH MY FAMILY WHO ARE SO IMPORTANT TO ME.
Member: Helpy Helpstein
Location:
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 1:27:47 PM
(((Ron the Rocket))) - in Clarence Snyder's story, titled "How It Worked" (posted online in Silkworth.net . . . the link is posted still in the Coffee Pot page right now) - it mentions that conference did begin on June 10, 1935 but its believed that Dr Bob's last drink may have been June 17th - not the 10th - but it isn't known exactly which date for certain. >>>> This story also tells how we got our name "A.A." (Alcoholics Anonymous) from the Big Book after it had been published under that title, when AA officially separated from the Oxford Group >>>> (((Who Ever))) no one wants to admit complete defeat by this disease - being disgusted is a natural response - prayers wishing all the best to you >>>> (((Unknown))) please email. Thanks. Sorry for dbl dipping & off the topic. Pam B >>>> Sobergirl91@hotmail.com
Member: Kimberley
Location: seattle
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 3:31:36 PM
kimberley here recovering alcholic, letting go and letting god for me is the easier softer way in my book, many times i have held onto things only to have years pass me bye, and wonder how do i get rid of this, i h ave been clearly given a direction in the 12 steps as well as the traditions, remember its 24 hours a day, and dont drink, thanks to everyone for your indsight.
Member: Cristie S.
Location: Macon, GA
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 3:36:17 PM
All I know is that I have a way of messing things up when I try to hold on and control. If I just turn it over to God, he's a lot better at working things out and has a much better and bigger plan than me. He even straightens out my messes sometimes when I've bummed then up. He's awesome....
Member: Cristie S.
Location: Macon, GA
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 3:36:38 PM
All I know is that I have a way of messing things up when I try to hold on and control. If I just turn it over to God, he's a lot better at working things out and has a much better and bigger plan than me. He even straightens out my messes sometimes when I've bummed then up. He's awesome....
Member: Stumpy
Location: Texas
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 5:49:27 PM
Dear Maureen P from Tucson: may the peace of our Lord be with you at this time of transition. I am sure that your husband is preparing a mansion for you in Heaven, just as Jesus promised he would do for His disciples. While you are still on this earth, I am sure our Father has wonderful plans for you. You may very well touch someone today and change his/her life. God Bless You.
Member: Johnson
Location: Colorado
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 6:01:37 PM
God Bless you Maureen from Tuscon, Peace and love sweetheart....... For you big book thumpers, get a grip--God's been at work long before and will be long after AA and 12 measley little old steps are around. The basic text holds no special secrets and is nothing more than another book with some good, and some some NOT so good suggestions. It even readily admits that as well as not having any kind of lock on the market of alcoholism......
Member: Marc Henri
Location: Montreal
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 8:14:57 PM
Excellent, excellent analysis Colorado Johnson. It is so sad to see so many people in AA thinking that all of life's answers are in the big book. It's refreshing to see someone use the brain that God gave him rather than relying on a book of suggestions - 'some good, some not so good,' as you aptly note - as a substitute for cerebral functioning. You win this week's prize for insight.
Member: Linda F
Location: NYC
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 10:41:43 PM
Great topic and i really needed a meeting tonite hormonely challenged and cranky and went to any lengths to go to a meeting tonite so I left but realized I somehow thougth the meeting started at 9p.m. but I knew it started at 8 but I don't know what happened but I have to let go and let God try to make it to my a morning meeting tommorrow before work -that is not an easy task for me- missed my reg monday meeting since I stayed home form work today. Last meeting was on Friday- spent time with my sig. other all weekend- his birthday week and was tired so I really did not fit in time for me. I must remeber to breathe and you know my attitude does not have to be bad -I victimize myself like that I have tools I have afew 24 hours under my belt- I can do some writng a meditiation online meeting and breathe and get proper rest perhaps that's what I need as well. So I have to remember God is in control- I will be okay trust the process- I go there automatically since its been three days since my last meeting and tomoorow I have a dentist appointment during luch so I cannot make it to a luch meeting- problems with a liabilty sitution due to contractors my super hired whom due to negligence broke my air conditioner- long story short I have fear to stand up for myself I am taking it out of Aug rent- I wrote a prof letter with receipts will get it notorized but I feel like the little gir who is going to get punished- it's his responsibility I spoke with an attorney I had to purchase a new unit and it cost me time from work but I am anxious and feeling like I should not exercise my rights because someone might get angry- battle of the egoes I do not want- I am being totally fair- I spoke with him I think he got the message now he's acting weird- resentment is the number one offender lack of power was our dilemma - I am soooooooo tense wound a little tooooooooo tight edgy everyone in my neighbor hood has no boundaries I am angry everyone can puch my buttons- yeah it's that time of the month- but and not over eating and not smoking for 2 years sober over 8 -been coming a lot longer- so I need to relax and trust that I can go to work tomorrwo and even if I don't make a meeting in the morning that God is still in my life- that I can access the power to be calm and centered- I can Let go and let God- I usually just read the shares but I am sooooooooooooo grateful tonight that I had a place to Go thanks for listening for me I am granted a daily repriev contingent on the maintenance of my spiritual condition - self knowledge is no defense- I cannot do this alone- I need God- Life gets real and it gets a little overwhelming sometimes there is an urge to sabatoge- but I have a cat Tess (7) and a dog max (2) who depend on my and I am going for my masters whcih I wanted to do over 13 years ago before I relasped for 5 years and now I am doing it a little late but it's happening and I don't want to fuck it up and I am tired for apologizing and feeling unworthy I've paid my dues-someone in my home group just passed and this week is the anniversary of my grandfather's birthday and I miss him he was 98 years old when he died and I wassober just a year- but after a fews i relasped- God thank you I guess you never really get over it -it takes time to heal- this site really kept me sober tonight thank you
Member: Mona B
Location: Southern Vermont
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 11:34:03 PM
To Mark, in NY, who responded on 7/27 at 10:52:36 am...I agree with you Broski. God expects us to press on. Move forward. NOT take our hands off the plow! Pray for me as well. Love in Christ, A fellow AA
Member: Curious
Location: everywhere
Date: 7/28/2003
Time: 11:43:07 PM
Johnson, I'd be interested in the 12 measley steps of AA's suggestions that you find bad and refer to? Marc Henry what are the not so good ones? Just curious...
Member: Carlc
Location: nm
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 2:19:20 AM
Let go and let God, Let go of what and let God do what? Where in the world do all these little sayings come from and what do they mean, no wonder AA is getting so watered down, dosent anyone know how to talk inteligently instead of all these frothy little mean nothing , half truth, sayings. The 11th step says sought thru prayer and medtitation to improve our conscious contact with God praying only for knowledge of his will for us and the power to carry it out. The 12th step says having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps we tried to carry THIS message and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Why do we need all these little sayings when we have clear cut directions, a design for living if you will.
Member: Doodle
Location: Atlanta
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 3:06:05 AM
God does not condemn us we condemn ourselves.People cannot condemn us cause we are all in the human condition.Letting go requires a loving God we feel safe with.We have to cease being angry with anything or anybody are we will drink again! We have't to become willing to trust this thing not seen before we can truly get sober. That is scary when the bills are due and the wolf is at the door. Once we have tried everything in our power to correct what is wrong we have't to surrender to the supernatural we cannot see. We have to try and believe He will be there no matter what, even if we are on the edge about to fall off we have to hold on.God does not love one more than He loves another. Our heads are out to get us, Our best thinking gets us drunk.If you do not have a sponsor be good to yourself cause you are worth it and GET one.We are a WE program, we do not have to do anything alone.Alone is a terrible place for us to be."Let go and do let God lead you to right where we are supposed to be." Even if we do not like where we are at.Surrender to our powerlessness is depressing at times no matter how much time in the program we have.
Member: Teddi
Location: Atlanta
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 3:17:25 AM
Linda,in New York City you are real.Thank you for your honesty.You are a winner in this program girl.This too shall pass!Love to see people get real about everyday situations.Please slow down and be kind to yourself you are funny! You made me laugh at myself.Thank you!
Member: Teddi
Location: Atlanta
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 3:17:35 AM
Linda,in New York City you are real.Thank you for your honesty.You are a winner in this program girl.This too shall pass!Love to see people get real about everyday situations.Please slow down and be kind to yourself you are funny! You made me laugh at myself.Thank you!
Member: JCH
Location: TEXAS
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 4:38:07 AM
sbhg-1-8-98 I think maybe someone nocked over the coffee pot and it spilled into the discussion meeting. I would rather support my fellow man especially my fellow aa. Thank you for being here for another day sober. Remember we is what this whole thing is about. No one ever could help me have what I have been given today except people like you. In aa I have found a god of my understanding that does for me and others that we could never do for ourselves.
Member: Kathy K.
Location: Northeast
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 5:38:01 AM
Had planned just to read before going to bed as I do most nights, but the posts are so meaningful tonight. I have just celebrated 18 years of sobriety in this wonderful God-given organization this weekend. Am eternally grateful to all of you for your caring and sharing over these many years. Maureen - I, too, am alone - no family - I consider AA my family. and thank God every day for the gift of sobriety, and the wisdom ofother AA members as I trudge down the road.....
Member: hello
Location: i will pray
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 10:22:02 AM
HELLO sorry but this aa program is starting to sound like a bunch of holy rollers to me.Is this what its all about I'll see you all in chruch
Member: Michael'manure
Location: Yup-I'm everyone who doesn't agree with Pam as we all know she knows all about AA---she's the ultimate authority.....
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 1:11:01 PM
Glad to see I'm living up to my "title" without even trying. I can't help but get some chuckles out of some the paranoia and shares as well as a little thought. I do appreciate your post Brain , oops--I mean Br-i-a-n, typo. I do however try to always keep and rounded biopsychosocial approach and sometimes fall short. Nevertheless, I do sincerly appreciate the observation, thanks. I'm sure everybody knows the paranoia joke, right?--- Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean everybody's NOT watching me!!! Seems to apply here as a lot of people are not only making invalid insinuations, but claims to having some type of knowledge as to others motives.....Hmmmmm, wonder why? Is AA the only, or even the best way for any and everybody to get sober? Sounds pretty much like someone other than me is forcing anything on anybody, and that's an objective fact from reading these posts. Plus, who cares what the asic text says, it's not a sacred scripture and doesn't even claim to be, maybe you better read it another million times or something as clearly I don't see where the big book is particularly beneficial, much less imperative, for any individuals priority. however, should one choose to use it as a book with both good and points, that's fine too. So what's the point? It's particularly unthinkin to make a statement that any written word is clear and simple directions, as obviously it's wide-open to any variety of interpretations by anyone capable of reading. Peace for all, but keep yours eyes open as don't forget all those anonymous "watchers" who don't agree with you, ewe...eee...........
Member: PappyPaw B.
Location: Michigan
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 1:38:41 PM
Hi All, PappyPaw here and I am glad to be here sober and part of this warm healing group. I have a quality life this day because of the "Spiritual Tools" offered us by this program. "Let Go, Let God" is an important "Spiritual Tool" in my daily quest for a sober life. This program is just as we would have it. Today wil be as simple of as complicated as i choose it to be. Because of the sharing friends here to day I have the "Spiritual" direction and support in my quest for a better life for today. This is a good meeting and much appreciated by me. Thankyou all for your support.
Member: Kim D.
Location: Bridgewater
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 1:53:37 PM
I can't - He can - I think I'll let Him. Pretty easy.
Member: Melissa
Location: Canada
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 4:23:55 PM
My personal translation? "Stay out of it, Melissa, the universe knows better than you." I was surprised to learn that much of what goes on in my world, and the larger one, is none of my business. Very freeing. It's hard to know how to put it into words, but if I just wait, and breathe, and ask my Higher Power to guide me, I seem to have a better chance of doing the next right thing. I am constantly amazed at the things that happen when I don't stick my oar in to fix the stuff I think needs fixing. Yes, the world needs me, but not nearly as much as I used to think (grin*), in fact, just a tiny bit. Like I said, it's very freeing. Thanks for the topic, Anil.
Member: big
Location: nv
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 4:51:47 PM
i always go to the short version of the serenity prayer
Member: H. C.
Location: Seal Beach, CA
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 6:10:49 PM
Carlc is right when he states that the Twelfth Step directs us to 'practice these principles in all our affairs.' However, no where in the twelve steps or in the big book are any specific principles identified. Thus, it is not so 'clear cut' as some would have us believe. We must look elsewhere for life's principles. For me, that is in the New Testament. Since the main objective is A.A. is to 'find [God] . . . which will solve your problem [with alcohol]' (pg. 45, big book), it only makes sense to go to God's actual words, through His Son Jesus Christ, to find the directions and principles by which we should live. May the peace of our Lord be with you always.
Member: Bobbi.
Location: Missouri
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 7:32:28 PM
To Kim D. from Bridgewater..........thank you for putting it so simple.......and easy ....this program has done so much for me. and when I let go and let God ...sometimes I find myself wanting to take things back that he is not doing in my timeline. that is when I get in trouble and then I realize I must give it back again and practice patience.
Member:
Location:
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 8:08:43 PM
Good One H.C. from Seal Beach, Cal. pprec dude or is it dudette?////
Member: DB
Location: KCMO
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 8:16:30 PM
Hi, I am Alcoholic.My name is Dave. When, in 1955 we oldtimers (not me) turned over our three legacies to the whole movement, nostalgia for the old days blended with gratitude for the great day in which i was now living. No more would it be necessary for me to act for, decide for, or protect AA. For a moment, I dreaded the coming change. But this mood quickly passed. the conscience of AA as moved by the guidance of God could be depended upon to insure AA future. Clearly my job henceforth was to let go and let God. comes of age pp139 46 48
Member: Hugh M
Location: The center of no where Alberta Canada
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 9:40:19 PM
Hi Im Hugh and I am a recovering alcoholic you know its a great topic/slogan Let go and let God but for us alcoholics its not as easy as that sometimes.We have to let God change on how we react and to finally be willing to let him. We also have to give him a helping hand as well.You know step eleven is a most wonderful step because it says we can find knowledge of his will for us and the power to carry that out.It does not say show me your will and let me struggle on my own that is why we have each other.Some of us struggle with the very idea of a higher power so to those of you that struggle with the idea of a higher power maybe make your group your higher power and take GOD as I have been told as good orderly direction wishing all another 24hrs thankyou for sharing
Member: Carlc
Location: nnm
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 10:51:25 PM
To HC from seal beach. Thank you, Bill Wilson himself said and I get it from page 95 in as Bill sees it that AA is but a spiritual kindergarten.
Member: Maureen P
Location: Tucson, AZ
Date: 7/29/2003
Time: 11:15:36 PM
Thank you Stumpy and Johnson for your kind words. One of the things that kept me coming back to AA was there were no "rules" you could take what you needed, worked for you, and put the rest on the shelf. Some of the things I've seen other AA's do would get me drunk. As far as being a holy roller, I believe that my higher power is God and that I could not stay and would not be sober if not for Him. What works for other people is their business. I am grateful I did not have anyone standing over me saying "do this or get drunk" only here are some suggestions, it worked for me, maybe it can work for you.
Member: The 12 Specific Principals of the 12 Steps of AA
Location: Written in the Big Book
Date: 7/30/2003
Time: 3:23:02 AM
Step: 1-Honesty ... 2-Hope ... 3-Faith ... 4-Courage ... 5-Integrity ... 6-Willingness ... 7-Humility ... 8-Brotherly Love/Tolerance ... 9-Self-discipline/Justice ... 10-Perserverance ... 11-The Ever-Presence of God/Spiritual Awareness ... 12-Love & Service
Member: Samantha
Location: Cathay
Date: 7/30/2003
Time: 11:36:07 AM
Thank you for your observations about the '12 specific principals' in the steps. Of course, those are you own conclusions, and they are quite good, I might add. But, there are no principles set out in the 12 steps or in the big book. We each must discover them for ourselves, as you have done. I agree with H. C. from Seal Beach that we should look to the Bible for the spiritual principles by which we should live our lives. The principles set out by Jesus are all inclusive and are directly from God. With all due respect, as good as your conclusions are (and again, they are good conclusions), they are missing in a lot of areas and are not the Word of God. As Bill Wilson aptly noted, AA is only a spiritual kingergarten. We should all strive to graduate from this kindergarten as soon as possible and move to a greater spiritual life with God. As Jesus stated, 'we should be perfect, as our Father in Heaven is perfect.' Thanks all for your comments and God Bless.
Member: leroy
Location: washington
Date: 7/30/2003
Time: 12:09:09 PM
Member: Joe P
Location: Chicago
Date: 7/30/2003
Time: 1:05:04 PM
My name is Joe, and I am an alcoholic. The "principles" are THE TWELVE STEPS. Good ole Bill W had a way with complex sentences and, from what I've been told, had issues with using the same word over again. But read the first few pages of the Chapter 'How It Works'. "The principles we have set down are guides to progress." What principles did they set down? Well, there they are, right above that paragraph - the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous. Step 12 refers to "practice these principles in all our affairs". These priciples are contained in the Twelve Steps that just preceded that phrase. Why didn't it say "practice these steps"? Probably because Bill W had issues with word usage and the repaeting of the same word. How do I attempt to Let Go and Let God? (Not fond of slogans, even if they do have a place.) I attempt to practice the principles embodied by the Twalve Steps of AA in all areas of my life. Don't drink, go to meetings, read the Big Book. Joe
Member: Big Al
Location: Windy City
Date: 7/30/2003
Time: 5:33:48 PM
Thanks for your analysis, Chicago Joe (Go Sox). I have no doubt that you heard in the halls of AA that Bill used the word 'principle' in place of the word 'steps.' Who knows what Bill was thinking. It reminds me of some of the goofy things I've heard in AA throughout the years. Some of my favorites are: (1) Make a doorknob your Higher Power; (2) make the group your Higher Power; (3)'it is suggested that you pull the ripcord on your parachute'(concerning the fact that the steps are suggestions only); (4) it's okay to use other drugs as long as you don't drink alcohol(marijuana, tobacco, cocaine, prescription pills for recreation, etc); (5) if it's not in the first 164 pages, it can't be AA (what about sponsors?)(6) the twelve steps will solve any problem in your life; the list goes on and on. I'm sure that all of you have heard of others. They made no sense to me when I was new to AA, and now they just make me laugh when I hear people parrot them. If anyone has any other goofy AA sayings to add, it does add a little levity to this discussion. But, on the subject at hand, the saying "Let Go and Let God" is an exception to the rule. "Let Go and Let God" is a wonderful reminder that God is in charge and that our lives go much more smoothly if we will just allow ourselves to follow God's will.
Member: Dan R
Location: NY
Date: 7/30/2003
Time: 6:38:11 PM
Member: Dan R
Location: NY
Date: 7/30/2003
Time: 6:38:27 PM
Member: WALT L.
Location: NORCAL
Date: 7/31/2003
Time: 9:30:46 AM
Hi, my name is Walt and I'm an alcoholic...I'm also a miracle today. My experience says that due to the simple nature of this incredibly powerful "Disign for Living" laid out in the first 103 pages of the book Alcoholics Anonmyous "Letting go an letting God" will just come....if the rest of the instructions are being followed...this isn't the only path to a power that will work in any humans life, but I speak truly from my heart when I say that it is a great place to start. Via con Dios
Member: Susan A.
Location: Vernon, Connecticut
Date: 7/31/2003
Time: 2:55:25 PM
Hi All, I'm Susan and I'm an Alcoholic. 'Let go and Let God' is like a bookmark to get me back to where I need to be (trusting God, working on myself, and helping others). I don't know about you, but on my own, my actions fall -way- short of my best intentions. I get into 'self will run riot' (doing things MY way, dammit). I get to feeling restless, irritable, and discontent (with you/the world or within), or I get full of fear, guilt, anger, self-pity, etc. This can happen in a split second, or a couple days. When I recognize these 'red-flags', this saying is useful to remember/practice. The 'Let go' brings a little peace - I can stop forcing my will, or get out of fear. The 'Let God' takes me straight to the steps, which I can practice on the situation (ie: what am I powerless over, God CAN restore me to sanity and I want him to, what character defect has reared it's ugly head, talk to someone, and so on). I'm glad that I recognize the insanity more quickly that in the past. I'm human, and will make mistakes, so pain is inevitable but the -misery- is optional. I like what Rarely from Winnepeg said above about being sick and tired of being sick and tired, and happiness is a result of right living. These sayings are like shorthand to me - they are useful tools that point to a bigger story. Thanks all, and love to you. See you next week.
Member: joe s.
Location: Michigan Rezdog
Date: 7/31/2003
Time: 3:29:37 PM
joe s., alkie. i would rather "work the steps" than work the bumper stickers or the slogans. "let go and let joe" did not work. work is the operative word ... the putting "legs on the prayers" stuff. i once asked an old timer why he kept calling me "copernicus". he mentioned through working the steps i am finding the world doesn't revolve around me. what a concept! miigwetch!
Member: Patti
Location: Fayetteville
Date: 7/31/2003
Time: 9:46:26 PM
Hi, all. Patti here. I like the reminder Let Go and Let God. I have a question for those of you who have been around a while. At a meeting the other day, a member was sharing about his relationship with God and with Jesus and how important God and Jesus are in her life. An oldtimer interrupted and said something like "this is not church, this is AA." "You can't talk about that in here." Right on the wall is a poster that says Let Go and Let God. I think the oldtimer was wrong, as I find nothing in AA literature that says we can't talk about God and Jesus. In fact, we even close with the Lord's prayer, which I know is from the very mouth of Jesus in Matthew 6. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Member: d-flat
Location: nd
Date: 7/31/2003
Time: 10:14:11 PM
its all or nothing
Member: AZbill
Location: az-bill@mindspring.com
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 12:16:49 AM
HI Patti from Fayetteville... Next time that occurs, just mention that Jesus is a spiritual entity and not a religious entity. He was a Jewish Rabbi that taught meta-physics and spirituality.. My reference is Emmet Fox's "Sermon on the Mount"; which in turn is one of the references that Bill W. used to write the Big Book. :) Bill
Member: Rob M.
Location: Istanbul
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 2:13:13 AM
Hi. I'm Rob and I am an alcoholic. I have known that for 25 years and stayed dry for 7 years at one point. Then I drifted away from God and at the same time the drinking came back. Now I have drifted back to God (it was slow) and am trying to regain my sobriety. If I can avoid letting go of God again, and let go and let God, I hope I can recover. Keep me in your thoughts.
Member: JuMP
Location: Canada
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 2:22:46 AM
Patti, while you have every right to discuss god and your particular brand of religion at meetings, that 'oldtimer' just might have been trying to point out that most newcomers run like hell if they feel like a religion is going to be crammed down their throat. I don't know about you, but when i go to meetings it's to give back what was so freely given to me when i came through the door and not to fill church pews. Why do you think God was turned into a 'Power Greater Than Ourselves' in AA?
Member: Old timer
Location:
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 6:09:22 AM
Patti when some one mentions Jesus Christ at an A.A. meeting or even in the posts here on this site I feel a bit uneasy, My 30 years of sobriety has taught me some love and tolerance so I don't say any thing. Funny you can mention Jesus Christ all you want around Christmass time and I don't feel a bit uneasy. I will never forget how the hair on the back of my neck stood up every time I heard those words " But there is One who has all power - that One is God May you find him now ! Nothing really bothers me now. Just last week we had a guy in our group who stole $150.00 Gee's to steal from A.A. thats as low as a member can go. yet Love and Tolerance is our code So the old timer may be having an off day But if I was sitting there at that meeting I would be thinking....( to myself ) good for you old timer One other thing as an old timer I never think of myself as such, But I do except the title
Member: Mark
Location: NY
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 7:56:15 AM
Patti)))) Thanks for sharing that. As someone who's been around awhile, I'll only tell you that I've left Aa for long periods of time over exactly that issue. People(call them old-timers or not-doesn't matter) will not dare say to someone who mentions Allah or Buddah or even Lucipher a darn thing under any circumstance in AA, yet mention the name of the Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ, and idiots come out of the wood-work to go ballistic. Why is that? In part simply because of the above stated attitude of an "oltimer" cheering on the other idiots. It's way deeper than saying their intolerant, it's a spiritual battle of immense dimensions. AzBill had a good suggestion, and praically anyone who knows anything about the steps knows that they're directly from the Bible. I've been sober a good amount of time and thank God I don't need AA to stay that way, I go only on occasion to give people like you support and if you want to stay in AA, fine--that's what you get to deal with. However, don't be "scared" into believing that crap they spout about you'll drink again if you "graduate." I and many millions have done it and remain not only sober, but move into a much deeper spiritual realm and closeness with Jesus. The standard response at meetings is not very intelligent and I'll squelch that ahead of time now. Yeah, some of the people who relapse go back to meetings, others do not. So what? That's only the small number, the ones who live happy, full, spiirtual, loving lives are out doing exactly that, not hanging around AA rooms 24 hours a day. It's an assinine statement, yet I just love 'em and let 'em be. Sort of like "Let go and Let God." Let'em go and let God take care of them, there are way to many alkies who want real help to fool around too long with those who don't.
Member: Suzanne G.
Location: Upstate New York
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 8:39:41 AM
Hi, My name is Suzanne and I am an alcoholic. It was in these rooms, eleven years ago, that I found my Higher Power, a God as I understood Him. I am so grateful when I Let Go and Let God. I think it is also important to remember that AA is a "spiritual" program, and not a religious one. I do not believe that I would have continued to come to AA, if I had to believe in God. The only God I knew when I got to AA, was the one I learned about in religious instructions while growing up as a girl. If this was a religious program I might still be drunk because I did not like God when I entered the rooms of AA. I used the Group Of Drunks (GOD) as my HP when I first arrived. It was through contact with other human beings, in the rooms of AA, that I found the God I know and love today. I think we must remember that, Alocoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength, and hope with each other that they might solve their common problems and help others to recover from alcoholism. AA is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization, or institution, does not wish to engage in controversy, neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help another alcoholic to achieve sobriety. These words come from the AA Preamble. They have been part of AA since it's beginning. This is how our program works and if we want the successful continued results here are the steps that we took as a program of recovery... It says in the Big Book, that many of us return to the religions of our past. This is great for those who have commented about their personal religious beliefs, but we must remember that we are a fellowship of men and women who have many different religious beliefs and in order to help alcoholics recover we must respect all of these beliefs whether they are that of our own or not. Honesty, Open-Mindedness, and Willingness are the keys to this simple program, as well as acceptance and humility. With God in one hand and AA in the other, I have a great chance at staying sober one more day. God Bless you all.
Member: ma
Location: jugs
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 9:49:22 AM
suzy-q in ny what a load of shit. thats all stuff everyyone in aa says, cant you think for yourself? everyone does not blmae God nor hate him or whatever and it doesnt apply to everyoen. plus aa is absolutely a religious program whether you or anyone else in aa calls it that or not. why not because that stupid blue book says its spoiritul. stupid, stupis shit is what that book is. they read the real Big Book at meetings for the first 4 year os aa does anyone ever talk about that. no. so what as aa is a religion as the court has also said so so to say it isnt is just aa crap not real.
Member: ma
Location: jugs
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 9:52:18 AM
suzy-q in ny what a load of shit. thats all stuff everyyone in aa says, cant you think for yourself? everyone does not blmae God nor hate him or whatever and it doesnt apply to everyoen. plus aa is absolutely a religious program whether you or anyone else in aa calls it that or not. why not because that stupid blue book says its spoiritul. stupid, stupis shit is what that book is. they read the real Big Book at meetings for the first 4 year os aa does anyone ever talk about that. no. so what as aa is a religion as the court has also said so so to say it isnt is just aa crap not real.
Member: Bob
Location: UK
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 11:23:22 AM
Hi Bob here - recovering (today anyway) alcoholic. Honestly ma I don't care what others think AA is or isn't. I do know what help it gives me - and if it wasn't for the conviction that I have a Higher Power who helps me (provides guidance) I would be lost. He certainly isn't the God I was told about in childhood who alternatively seemed to turn the other cheek and then (just when I wasn't ready) turn and smite. If that were the reality I'd still be hiding in a bottle. Currently I've handed the responsibility I had of running the world over - and I hope none of you is inconvenienced by the fact that I'm no longer running things. When I have to make a decision I try to think how it will influence others and if it's really my responsibility to make the decision in any case. Sharing works. Have you noticed how the first thing a relapsing alcoholic does is stop sharing. Thanks for letting me share.
Member: Anon
Location: www
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 11:25:21 AM
god will save your soul...AA will save your ass! you choose.
Member: Ron L
Location: Winnipeg. Man. Can.
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 2:00:33 PM
I haven't any thing against religion, and Ive had some heart ache and heart break because of it. some 60 yrs ago when I was suppose to fast before my first communion, I ate a piece of cake as I forgot I had to fast. well dress't in my white suit people so proud of me, I kept this a dark secret till A.A. I always thought that I was going to be excommunicated. When I went to confession I done the same sin as I just confessed (looking at girls legs)which was a sin in my church 60 yrs ago. Shit I had a bad thought. Im a sinner and I was told I was going to burn in ever lasting hell. never mind about masterbation, swearing, Well you get the piture. Well one day I was caught in a lie (6 yrs old) She got the big cross with our Lord hanging on it and told me if I wasen't lying to kiss the cross and if I was lying and kissed the cross God would strike me with a bolt of lightening and fry me on the spot.I got a slap on the head for lying. This went on for a few years and one time I decided to take the bolt on lighting in lure of the slap I kissed the cross and nothing happened NEXT TIME I WAS LYING I SAID GET THE CROSS I knew nothing would happen Ive been to trial and swore on bibles to tell the truth knowing that when I lied nothing would happen except that I would burn in ever-lasting hell, In A.A. I learnt to live one day at a time. Yeah I got nothing against the chuch, I just don't want you sitting there telling me how wonderful it is. cause at six years old I found out that it wasen't that way for me and when I think of it I just want to puke. You might say give it a second chance, And why should I... I have a God as I understand him, I have long term sobriety. I have every thing that I ever wanted. and thats what A.A. done for me. I go to lots of meetings just like those religous people only I carry a message of hope for those who have no hope I have a smile on my face and love for my fellow man. Deep down inside of me I know Im a good guy God loves me and ever lasting hell doesen't enter the piture any more
Member: Mary M
Location:
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 4:24:27 PM
Mary M. and Im an alcoholic. What a heart wrenching share Ron L. you brought a lump to my throat and so happy you found an answer. which brings me to my own question. I live in a large city with two religous colleges, In our city we have many A.A. groups and the members consist of Ministers Priests Nuns at least two Monsieurs and a hand full of theologians, these are the people who work for the church and gave them self to Christ. IF RELIGION AND CHRIST WHERE ENOUGH TO STAY SOBER WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN A.A. and they don't talk about religion at the meetings... just wondering what those who claim to be religous and don't need A.A. have to say about these members.
Member: john A
Location: Butler PA
Date: 8/1/2003
Time: 6:26:26 PM
"Let go let god", to me means to completely surrender. It wasn't till I did this till I could have some piece of mind and have some hope that tommorrow would follow today's example. Hope and knowing anything is possible with my higher power on my side will keep me feeling serene and will keep me sober today. God bless you all!
Member: Off-topic comment
Location:
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 12:43:34 AM
It's my understanding that the people who feel AA is a religious programme simply don't understand AA.
Member: Bikerbabe
Location: was once an alkie.....but now am found... la la.... la la la la....la la. ...
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 3:09:04 AM
I have recently discovered that orange socks are the best man!.. i wear mine every day' and being still quite self cen-turd' i naturally conclude that this must rein true for every other 'white socked'human on the planet... (enter judgemental thoughts and looks here).. so i go from door to door, talking to and manipulating others to my orange kind of way, even becoming sneaky when i have to "knowing it is for thier own good'.... i become ever more disappointed and irratable as i preconcieve the sad state of people everywhere who are wearing 'socks of a different color'and for god's sakes man!.. some aren't even wearing socks at all! at the same time feeling a grand sense of superiority' because deep down i seem to be human after all... 'son of a' ... anyhow it seems god is bigger than all of it, and i soon find myself awakening to the plain fact that god is all things... or all things would not be so... my mind opens and a wonderful light falls upon my foggy scene..i no longer have to be in bondage to walking the narrow tunnel to which i have tried to sentence so many... now i am no longer searching.. i am now 'journeying.. and that my friends is a beautiful thing....love peace and a brand new skull cap for ya all.... brack brack!!
Member: Kathy K.
Location: Northeast
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 3:58:41 AM
In my home group over the years we have had several priests as members. I asked one recently to explain to me how AA fit into his life. He explained very simply that AA was his spiriual life and the priesthood his religiou life. Made good sense to me. I have returned to the church of my childhood as suggested in the BB and find it works just fine for me that way also.
Member: Tracy D
Location:
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 4:04:16 AM
Hi there Tracy alcoholic here..Let go and let God..I am gonna tell you guys a deep secret..Please don't spread it around {too much at least} I can't stay sober by myself..as a matter of fact thus far I have made a fairly large mess of my life..Now i have never been to fond of God..frankly I never thought he/she/it was too fond of me..Years ago when I started drinking I said " hey let's just stay out of each others way and we'll get along fine!" He didn't seem to mind..Hell he let me do just what I wanted! {he's like that yanno?} But when I found myself a falling down disgusting drunk who most people didn't like..he'd come by and say "hi" One day in a binge I yelled "HEY IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO BETTER THEN GO FOR IT" He was glad to except..hell he was the ONLY one that wanted the job..Like any tough relationship we have our ups and downs..We fuss and fight..ok I fuss and fight he just sits there with this all knowing look..*sigh*..Then I give my life back cause he seems to be doing so much better then I was..Please don't think I am making light of God,AA, or any religion..I am talking about a very "personal relationship with the God of MY understanding" To some "let go and let God" is a silly little saying for simple minded people..To others it might be a way of life that saved their life..Peace and Love to All : )
Member: for off-topic comment
Location: woman--person
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 6:51:00 AM
only somebody stupid enpugh to say that would be in aa. what, only alkies understand alcoholism AND what is or is not a religion? how stupid a thing to say. and its not a fullblown religion--its a CULT
Member: for off-topic comment
Location: woman--person
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 6:51:01 AM
only somebody stupid enpugh to say that would be in aa. what, only alkies understand alcoholism AND what is or is not a religion? how stupid a thing to say. and its not a fullblown religion--its a CULT
Member:
Location:
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 6:59:49 AM
that's very good tracy d......thank you dear
Member: Maureen P
Location: Tucson, AZ
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 10:40:29 AM
I am still Maureen and a sober, grateful, recovering alcoholic, who does not claim to, nor wants to, have all the answers. If you've read about the beginnings of AA, you know that the principles, steps, etc, were taken from the bible, King James version to be exact, and yes people did get sober before AA, and do so today without AA. All I know and can share is what I have learned in my experience, strength and hope started in AA halls and I, for one, am so grateful to AA for starting and guiding me in my years of sobriety. It works for me. I also believe and have come to accept Jesus Christ as my Savior, and the greatest example of man's humanity to man. He not only talked the talk, He walked the walk. That is what I look for in my friendships and associations in and out of AA. It is a part of who I am today and I am so grateful for all the blessings my sobriety has afforded me. Thank you for letting me share. ODAT. God Bless!
Member: mike r
Location: mt forest.ont canada
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 10:53:56 AM
I'm Mike a real greatfut recovering alcoholic. The first time in the program I found myself holding on to things and causing myself to have other problems such as stress. My sponsor had told my that I had to turn things over which I had not done it became where it was that I didn't know if I was coming or going then I slip. Went to a meeting that night where I had seen My sponsor and told him that I had slip and that I was going to work it slower and One at a Time which I have been doing and learned when to turn matter over to my HP and talk with my sponsor.Take care
Member: RONNIE O
Location: REDFORD TWP. MICH.
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 11:20:29 AM
REMEMBER,EVERY DAY WE MUST CARRY THE VISON OF GODS WILL INTO ALL OUR ACTIVITIES,THESE ARE THE THOUGHTS THAT MUST GO WITH US CONSTANTLY.
Member: Kristin H
Location:
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 2:24:21 PM
I've never been to an AA meeting. I've never read the "164 pages," the "Big Book," etc. I'm not sober. Just this morning,I found this website in search for help and support. Please accept my novice comments. "Let go and let God." Let go of the illusion that you are in control of your own life--you're not. People who think that they are in control of their personal destiny are creating an illusion that provides them a sense of comfort, peace, safety, security. Meanwhile, they rob themselves of liberating their trust.I would suggest that letting go and letting God is more about trust and allowing yourself to be subject to powers beyond your control. Of course, we all are subject to those powers, whether they be gravity, static electricity, the changing tides, or the power of God. It's our lack of trust and our desire for control that leads us to running things amuck. Letting go and letting God (or your higher power) is most certainly essential in recovering. Bickering over religion versus spirituality, critisizing fellow members with utmost disrespect, referring to AA as a cult... I'm disappointed that some of you are incapable of debating without being so caustic. On the other hand, the Staying Cyber Meanies present a perfect example of how people can ruin religion--an occurence to which many of you referred. Overall, I found your support encouraging, your debate stimulating, and my time spent worthwhile. I'm not sober. I want to be. It's nice to not feel alone. Thank you for this forum and for hearing me out.
Member: Dale W
Location: Casper, WY.
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 4:33:15 PM
Welcome Kristin, glad your here! letting go and letting God, I still have trouble with the (God) word anyway my experience has been that A.A. is a spiritual program. That means to me that I need to know what spiritual means, so I went to the library to look it up, the definition I found that helped me was OTHER CENTEREDNESS with that in mind it was alot easier for me to develop a relationship with my H.P. and allow myself to let go of my self-centerness and think of others. and for a drunk like me what an experience. Keep coming back
Member: Dan O'K
Location:
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 5:39:07 PM
It is very simple in A.A. It's A.A. as you understand him PERIOD. Why do some members insist on complicating a very simple program? EGO !mY RELIGION IS THE TRUE WAY, AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG ! BETTER CHECK YOURSELF .
Member: Dan O'K
Location: Idaho Falls,Id
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 5:39:50 PM
It is very simple in A.A. It's A.A. as you understand him PERIOD. Why do some members insist on complicating a very simple program? EGO !mY RELIGION IS THE TRUE WAY, AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG ! BETTER CHECK YOURSELF .
Member: Dan O'K
Location: Idaho Falls,Id
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 5:40:30 PM
It is very simple in A.A. It's A.A. as you understand him PERIOD. Why do some members insist on complicating a very simple program? EGO !mY RELIGION IS THE TRUE WAY, AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG ! BETTER CHECK YOURSELF .
Member: Dan O'K
Location: Idaho Falls,Id
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 5:40:47 PM
It is very simple in A.A. It's A.A. as you understand him PERIOD. Why do some members insist on complicating a very simple program? EGO !mY RELIGION IS THE TRUE WAY, AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG ! BETTER CHECK YOURSELF .
Member: Tracy D
Location:
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 5:52:55 PM
{{{Kristin}}} I was very glad to see your post..What a smart women you are.."keen powers of observation"..{Yes I still love Pink Floyd hehe} Good Luck in your search..We can find what we need if we look for it..When I first walked into an AA meeting that I go to often now I saw this huge sign on the wall that said "Hope is found here" ..Isn't that we are looking for? Peace and Love to All : )
Member: missjoanie
Location: portland pa.
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 6:05:40 PM
my name is joanie and i am an alcoholic. The comments for the week on letting go and letting God reminded me that i came into a.a, to live and not die. one day at a time it got better and one moment at a time i worked these slogans. , as a result this meeting was put together and i remained sober, thisis the miracle that we get and share togetherthis is the gift that a.a. gives us keep comming dont give up hope stay with us until the majic happens. with love, missjoanie
Member: paulinec
Location: ont. canada
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 6:59:15 PM
hI my name is Pauline and I am an alcoholic. this is my first post in this forum I found you last spring but only took from you what I needed my computer broke down and I realized how much I had come to depend on the sharing I witnessed on this site.f2f meetings are hard for me to get towhen I think of where I got myself when I tried to do it on my own I have no problem letting my higher power handle my drinking problem.
Member: Sonny
Location: New York City
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 7:32:07 PM
Maureen from Tuscon & Kristin from Anytown, USA have given me hope with your posts. Very intelligent and well articulated. I'm glad to see there are still a few alcoholic women with at least some sense, as my expeience is that they are few and FAR between. Take it offensively if you'd like, it's my experience and I consider it fact. I've been doin this deal quite awhile and yeah, the men aren't much better either, but the women are generally WAY out there. God Bless 'em all--crazy and not-so-crazy, Let Go and Let God calm your soul.
Member: Brian F
Location: Wimbourne Minster
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 9:47:21 PM
Kristen i want to say weclome and congrats...i am new to this fourm...i sarting very young and stoped pretty young (i use for 5 years). i am 19 now and have almost 20 months...i wanted to say to all rhe younger people on here that it takes a lots of guts to get sober and more importantly stay sober young...so "let go and let God.." kristen u have the idea...although it is trust i like to use the word faitth. i will stut up now...i just have one question if there is anyone in southern england in the program i really need meetingsi am over here on holiday. my e-mail in slik10401@yahoo.com thank u..
Member: Brian F
Location: Wimbourne Minster
Date: 8/2/2003
Time: 9:48:40 PM
Kristen i want to say weclome and congrats...i am new to this fourm...i sarting very young and stoped pretty young (i use for 5 years). i am 19 now and have almost 20 months...i wanted to say to all rhe younger people on here that it takes a lots of guts to get sober and more importantly stay sober young...so "let go and let God.." kristen u have the idea...although it is trust i like to use the word faitth. i will stut up now...i just have one question if there is anyone in southern england in the program i really need meetingsi am over here on holiday. my e-mail in slik10401@yahoo.com thank u..
Member: Shauna W
Location: Gascoyne, Western Australia
Date: 8/3/2003
Time: 2:14:22 AM
Hi, I'm Shauna and an alcoholic. "Let Go and Let God" took a long time for me to understand. Firstly, I had no understanding of a "loving God". My understanding in the early months was of a judgemental God whom I feared greatly and whom I had obviously dissapointed big time! I certainly didn't want to hand my life over to Him with that thinking as I thought He would just punish me as I thought He was doing already by getting me into AA, sick and drunk and alone and afraid, really afraid. It took a long time and plenty of meetings(most of which I sat in judgement) until AA "started to get me". I gradually began to see that if God did allow me to get sick enough to need AA, and that He was loving enough to steer me through the doors of AA that maybe, just maybe He was all unconditional love, forgiving and caring and it was maybe, just maybe that my old concept of God was wrong? He was supremely patient with me and still is. Over the years I have learned to little by little put faith in Him. As I learned more about me and as I applied the 12 steps more and more into my life, I gradually learned to "let go and let God" more and more, to the point I am now where if I don't hand my will and my life over to God as I understand Him, my day doesn't go well. By well, I don't mean to my specifications, but siiitng well within me. Yesterday, I had a confrontation issue to deal with, and ever human, I tried to reason an escape!! Thankfully I did hand over to God and He helped me through the confrontation and we both ended up fine, the air was cleared and it felt "right". I NEED to let go of my life to God or it just doesen't work. God has His plans and they have always in this program worked out better than anything I could ever have dreamed up, so why would I WANT to go back to self-will run riot? Thanks for everyone sharing, Shauna