Member: Donnie M.
Location: Short Gap, WV (D.O.S. 3-1-99)
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 8:12:31 AM

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Hey what do you know I am first. Donnie here and I am an alcoholic. Today I am here by the grace of God and the A.A. program. For the topic this week how about moving on and becoming a productive citizen once the program has returned us to sanity. Today I am a full time student, parent, husband and I have a full time job working with the developmentally handicapped. I find time to stay sober and although I am not at a meeting everyday the program remains the most important thing in my life because if I were to forget where I came from I would lose all that I have gained by staying sober on a twenty four hour basis. I can only pray that God will grant me another day and to continue to let me to grow and to carry the A.A. message. Thanks for letting me share and God bless all.


Member: Robin A
Location: FL
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 8:13:17 AM

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I would like to hear some ES&H on "Getting out of Procrastination" I have been doing that quite well for almost 4 years now...and it is starting to affect my serenity. Before-when I was drinking-I made everything on the "outside" of me look great. The house was spotless, good meals on the table, kids looked good...just so nobody could see how crappy I felt and looked on the inside. I put on a good show. Now that I am happy inside-due to the 12 steps and the recovery I have worked so hard on-I am letting the "outside" go. I work my program as well as I can, I sponsor and go to meetings-I meet all of my AA committments-do service work, etc...but I have gone to the complete opposite side of the pendulum in my homelife. I don't worry so much about things that I should be doing on a daily basis, and it shows. I guess what I am asking is how do I find a good balance here? I work full time-go to meetings-work with others...but when something comes up-like company coming I start to get all stressed and am trying to do to the house what I used to do to myself...putting a quick cover-up over it so nobody will see the actual mess hiding underneath. I don't want to do this anymore, and I know I need to just work, work, work to the point that it becomes a "non-problem" but the getting there is difficult. So I guess my topic would be Stop Procrastinating and Finding Balance with everything in my life. Thank You.


Member: Greg A
Location: Indiana
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 8:45:35 AM

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This is my first post at this meeting. My experience with online meetings is minimal. I have been a member of AA for over 14 years and have remained sober, by the grace of God and this program, since I first came to AA. The topic sounds like gratitude. It's good to be busy with the everyday things of life. I sometimes get overwhelmed with how busy my life is, but I only need to think back to my days drinking and newly sober to realize that I am grateful for my life. I have a wonderful wife, two wonderful kids (my wife and kids have never seen me drunk), and a job I enjoy. I have a busy life, i.e., a full life. What more can I ask for? I came to AA lonely and full of despair. By the grace of God, I don't have these problems anymore. When I get discouraged by the amount of work or things that I need to do, I thank God for the trust he has given me to take care of these things. At one point in my life, I was not trustworthy and could not have done the simple things in my life. Now, by the grace of God, I am a responsible member of society. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Joy V.
Location: Arizona
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 9:34:21 AM

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Productivity and procrastination. I love it! When I see something like this; you two (Donnie & Robin) simultaneously posting on topics that beautifully dovetail it shows me once again God's hand in everything. For myself I am so grateful to be making a contribution instead of being a drain on society. It is strictly by the grace of God that I am a functional adult making a difference. As for the other P word, Procrastination, let me just say I am relinquishing my title of queen! It points out in the literature that we alcoholics are undisciplined. A colossal understatement as far as I am concerned! LOL. Anyway, my struggles with procrastination relate directly to the discipline issue. I have to turn it all over to God and pray for willingness, just like with everything else. Let me give an example re filing taxes. I used to wait til the last minute and be in the lines at the Post Office a minute before midnight. Now I actually start on them in February. This is nothing short of miraculous! In fact I am going to dig in again today. Truth be told, I procrastinated for a couple of weeks here, but progress not perfection, right? What works for me in addition to doing the spiritual work; turning it over, prayer, inventory etc., is assessing my situation. I use a number of tools for that and I know different things work for different people. I am big on lists and also breaking things down into manageable portions. Plus Planning. Another P word. Trite but true; the old saying "Failing to plan is planning to fail." Groan. But true. Fear is usually at the root of my procrastination. Fear of failure or success. An inventory on the issue can be helpful to get to the root of the problem. Be blessed. "Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me." Psalm 51:10


Member: lydia
Location: savannah, ga
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 9:36:01 AM

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I just want to respond to Robin for now.. i used to get drunk and clean the house at the same time it activated me to an extent.. i had one beer on one side of the room and another on the other,, after vacuuming a while, i was covered either way..That was my way of dealing with procrastination. I know this is all about Recovery here, but that's what came to mind. You will be OK Robin Keepit in the Day Love, lyd


Member: Jay T
Location:
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 9:37:39 AM

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My name is Jay and I'm an alcoholic. This is my first experience with online meetings so I will try to stick to the format. Donnie suggested we talk about becoming productive citizens after we get sober. I am sober 11 plus years and have spent much of that time trying to become a responsible member of society. I went to college and worked hard to earn a degree and have recently become a teacher. To echo an often heard sentiment, any accomplishments or successes in my life I owe to AA. I have to admit to having a problem in my new job, however. After all of that education and hard work, I am not convinced I want to teach for a living. I have been around AA long enough to know that I am where I need to be for now but I must also remember, "to thine own self be true". I do not want to be stuck doing a job that I am neither good at or happy with for a long stretch just because I have gotten the certification. I have been teaching for only a year but I don't find the rewards that I expected. Anyway, I am still trying to do "the next right thing" and for me today that is talking about the problem and trying to decide on a course of action.


Member: Kim V
Location: kvaughn@madison.main.nc.us
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 10:56:15 AM

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Kim V here alcoholic. Sounds like "action" is a huge part of our AA program. I have to take action and work my steps on a daily basis. Today I am happy, joyous and free because I am a USEFUL member of society. It feels great being useful,to be able to contribute. I use to only take, take, take, when I was drinking, I was the user. Now I feel good about who I am and my accomplishments. When I do find myself procrastinating a bit my higher power reminds me as he gives me these learning expereinces to get my attention. Sometimes they are very painful and sometimes it takes longer to get my attention than other times. It all depends if I am paying attention and how connected I am with my Higher Power at the time. For me action is the key. Thanks for being her.


Member: David B
Location: KC
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 1:21:56 PM

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My name is David I am alcoholic. Having the right attitude and being positive, makes me a better person. I can not blame anyone for my cirumstances. it is accepting my alcoholism and all its consequences, I then become a responsible citizen. I Love AA. I Love God and I love you.


Member: siobhan c.
Location: washington
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 2:13:09 PM

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good morning! siobhan, alcoholic. planning, procrastination, and productivity. before sobriety, i planned only my next drink, the rest be damned. i was in college at the time so that meant putting off school work, classes, everything until a more convenient time. i spent almost 4 years going to college (on my parents' dime) then withdrawing from all my classes to avoid failing. since getting sober, i finished my degree. i spent so much time putting off my life so i could get drunk, i have so much to catch up on. working my program takes up much of my time, still, but without the preoccupation for my next drink i have the time and inclination to prepare for my life. to think i wasted so many years of my life, basically donated my youth to drinking, i am amazed at the power of alcohol. today, i can't comprehend why or how drinking could steal all that time and energy from me, but it did and still could if i let my program slide. i thank God every day for my sobriety and for AA. take care and keep working at it, the blessings do come.


Member: Brian F
Location: Scotland
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 2:50:05 PM

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My name is Brian, and I'm an alcoholic. Great topics, thanks guys. I never thought I had trouble with productivity until I started to get sober, then I realised that a lot of what I produced was chaos. I did do a lot of good work, even in the drinking days, but it wasn't very effective because of the unmanageability of my life. I could do the "big" things in life, like run the country from the pub!! but I was too frightened to walk to the shops to buy bread. So for me procrastination is a product of fear. I'm learning to overcome these fears, one of the ways is through service. I learn how to conduct myself more appropriately, in all areas of my life through service in AA. I get the opportunity to practice human interaction in a reasonably safe way in service,I have people to guide me, then I take it out to the big wide world to try it out. I can see a greater sense of order coming into my life, as the fear stops running around in my head, I can pray, ask for help, and not blindly rush in. I simply try to do the next thing in front of me. Easier said than done sometimes, but in these last few weeks which has been a difficult time for various members of my family, including me, it is what has kept me sober. Thanks for being there.


Member: AZbill
Location: From AZbill
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 3:56:59 PM

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Hi, Bill here alcoholic from Arizona. Procrastination and Moving on. What a dichotomy. Direct opposites. Me? Procrastinate? You Bet. I was 8 years old before I got my birthmark. :) All kidding aside, we cannot procrastinate and work the program at the same time. If you work the program out of our basic text, you will find out that more and more action is asked of us after each step. Between 5 and 6 we get an hour break. Not four or five months. My ESH? On my first anniversary my sponsor asked me to start thinking about where I would like to be this time next year. I didn't know. He asked me if I ever sat at a bar and said one of these days I will do this, one of these days I will do that? Yes!! Then just pick one and do it. I came into this program a drunk bricklayer who could not get a job. Fourteen years and three months later I retired. I had graduated from college, took two board exams, passed them both, went to work in my field of study, published in two medical journals. This graduation was the first time in my life I took something from beginning to end without knowing the end results. Go to work Get in the big book. Do this thing precisely as the first 100 did and good things will happen if you do the right things. Take care. Thanks for being a part of my sobriety today Bill. Email: az-bill@mindspring.com


Member: Patsy M.
Location: Arkansas
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 5:50:33 PM

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Part of the problem with procrastination for me is depression and feeling overwhelmed with everything that I need to do. I find that if I just start doing something, accomplish something, no matter how small, it is an antidote to that part of the problem. Then I can go on to doing something else with that feeling of accomplishment. I can't wait until my mood is better, and it is a waste of time to try to argue with myself about what I should do. I just pick something and do it. And then go on.


Member: Dawn M.
Location:
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 5:58:01 PM

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Hello, all. This is my first posting, and the first time that I have admitted openly (at least in writing) that I am an alcoholic. I need to write where there's more space - to tell you that I have an amazing life, job and family, but (until 1 wk ago) was drinking to escape, to quiet the voices and my huge fears. AA meetings are not an option yet (can't be 'outed' as I'm very well-known and respected in my community) but I really need to read supportive messages. I have just turned 40 and need to stop drinking (have, thanks to Antabuse) but also need to stop needing. Therapy helps, but so would other messages from successful women trying to leave alcohol behind in their lives. Thank you so much.


Member: Syliva F
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 6:35:46 PM

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God of your understanding is the best help to stay sober. A relationship with God gives us the needed ingredient to sucessful sobriety.


Member: Victor M
Location: NYC
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 8:03:59 PM

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Victor M here, alcoholic. Thanks everyone for your ES&H. Service was the 1st way I was able to feel like I was doing something for someone other than myself-it was a literature commitment and they 'waved' the 6 month sobriety requirement so I was railroaded into the position. I took it so seriously, the tracking of the monies, the selection of pamphlets, the announcement at the meeting. I can't tell you how many 1st meeting attendees came up at the break at this sunday evening meeting looking scared, beaten up from the weekend, with one last ray of hope and they were looking for some direction or a meeting book or a 'Living Sober'. It's the most important job I ever had. Thanks-


Member: Dawn M.
Location:
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 8:28:34 PM

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Thank you Sylvia - sorry to post twice, won't do it again. Realized that my earlier note may have sounded as though alcoholics can't be respected members of community. I know this not to be true, and would not mean to suggest otherwise. I only mean, I fear the way it would be used against me publicly. Think "politician" for example. And as a woman it is darned-well different, in terms of public perception. As you can read - I have much with to come to terms with in all of this. Thank you.


Member: Anna F
Location: TC, MI
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 9:36:38 PM

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I used to love to get drunk and clean house. I was such a neurotic perfectionist! Today, because I'm sober and actually living life I'm not. I work, go to school, do service work and raise two boys on my own. Since, I'm sober I find I can ask for help at home as well as at meetings. When it comes to company, I don't worry and don't apologize if my house isn't up to their standards. I don't live my life in accord with others expectations of how my home should look. My sobriety and serenity comes before their opinion of my domestic capabilities and chances are they probably have a load of dirty laundry laying around too!


Member: Pat G
Location: New Jersey
Date: 3/9/2003
Time: 10:07:35 PM

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Dawn, Ann Richards of Texas is an alcoholic and it hasn't hurt her. Most of us believe no one knew we were drinking. Almost everyone knew we had a problem before we did. We are only as sick as our secrets. Membership in AA is anonymous, it is attended by doctors, lawyers, psychiatrists and no one need know unless they are a part of the group. No one will break your anonymity even if they see you outside of a meeting. Relax and attend meetings -- you will learn that we initially are thin skinned and sensitve but that through the support of the fellowship you do not have to feel ashamed and whether or not you announce to your social friends that you are an alcoholic they will notice that you are a better person and respect you for that period. I hope this helps. The meetings I have found are an extremely important part of staying stopped. They're are many stories of alcoholics who could stop drinking but could not stay stopped. That is the reason for the fellowship growing and growing. It is our therapy.


Member: Kim V
Location: kvaughn@madison.main.nc.us
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 6:49:56 AM

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Kim V here alcoholic. Dawn the most damaging thing I ever saw concerning a politician was one who tried hiding something and then had to talk fast to rationalize it. To me admitting one is a alcoholic and learning to live a life of soberity takes enormous COURAGE. I know for me I would have never have made it without the support of the FELLOWSIP> One can't be in FELLOWSIP if one is hiding in the CLOSET> I never was a productive member of soceity until I got sober. It looks like you have been smarter than I to know when it is time to turn in the towel. I wish you well and leave you with this thought. Even if you are not a falling down drunk. Some people suspect you have a drinking problem. They are just to polite to say so. I know this because alcoholism is a diease of the mind, body and spirit. I always thought Nancy Regan was a amazing lady. Coming out of the closet is to know a freedom of not worrying about "what if they find out". and what a freedom that is.


Member: Kristina
Location:
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 7:41:38 AM

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Wow Kim, what great words. How true, they all suspect if not know you have a problem. Too polite to say anything. I am in upper level management and finally was reduced to tears when my boss told me employees were constantly telling her I smelled like alcohol. I never drank in the morning nor during work hours. They were smelling my body trying to rid itself of the night before. I thought I was fooling everyone. It was humiliating but I'm so thankful now to know.


Member: John H
Location: Manchester UK
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 8:39:41 AM

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Hi Dawn - I couldn't let you go without my views on 'outing'. I know quite a lot of 'famous' people (we are all equal before our 'Highter Power' though. They must have all have gone through the same loop as you are experiencing, but they all made it! Get to a meeting as soon as you can - they are the healing centres. Self denial and reading here will help but the real work is done in face to face meetings, where you will eventually meet your sponsor-to-be who will help you to tackle the 12 step recovery programme to get you to a more sustainable and high quality sobriety. The people you meet their will 100% respect your anonymity and will understand far better than those outside just what you are going through and the courage you are showing in tackling this physical, mental and spiritual illness. Anyone in your community who might see you coming and going to the meetings almost certainly knows you have a drink problem already, so you don't need to worry about them! All the very best - we will be praying for you. Tried the Early Sobriety pages yet? Lots of good advice there.


Member: Smokie
Location: East Anglia UK
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 11:34:43 AM

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Hi. I used to be that legendary beast - the "functioning alcoholic" . I did most of the things I was (over) committed to (eventually). I thought When I got into recovery I thought I should be able to achieve even more sober than when I was drinking. I volunteered to be a governor at two schools, started a kids footabll team and took on AA responsibilities. After a couple of years I wondered why I was stilling feeling stressed and under pressure. It took a while to realise that when I was drinking there was no balance in my life and that probably in recovery I needed to "DO" less and "BE" more. I am trying to act more in this fashion - but it is hard. I try to tell myself that just because I CAN do something doesnt mean I have to ! Still I've been told that it takes at least five years to get your marbles back and another five to learn how to play with them. But recovery is great - and I'm making progress. I won't achieve perfection. Love and fellowship to all.


Member: Craig L (Dogmanor@yahoo.com)
Location: Aloha, Oregon
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 12:15:33 PM

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Craig here, another "real" alcoholic (page 21) My sponsor often annoyed me when he said "don't worry about getting too healthy too fast". Today I understand what he means. He also told me recovery was the most important thing in his life and I have observed that in his actions. I try to emulate that myself. I work with a lot guys in rehabilitation centers, many of them are anxious to get back with their families. Sadly, very few of those that place this attachment above staying sober are still in recovery. I'm lucky because I am terrified of drugs and alcohol. They took away every ounce of sanity and hope. I can honestly say I would rather die than enter that losing battle again. Today many awesome things have happened. When I ask God to relieve me from myself, I can see that all those things are Gifts and opportunities God has given me as a demonstration of the his power in our lives if we only accept it.


Member: Kathleen
Location: Florida
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 12:46:51 PM

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Hello All, Kathleen here alcoholic. Dawn M. Welcome. Many will disagree with me on this however, I'm gonna say it anyway. Just because Alcoholics Anonymous is Alcoholics Anonymous does not mean that someone will NOT break your anonymity. It has been done before. Hopefully and MOST times people respect the anonymity of others however all of us in AA have the disease of alcoholism and sometimes new folks or those with a resentment WILL say to someone outside AA, "guess who I saw in AA????".... sad but true. "We are not saints."... HOWEVER....what most have mentioned here, most folks already know you drink and those who care about you will be more than thrilled you are seeking help. There is also the option of going to meetings outside your town. What really matters though is that you realize that you have the disease of alcoholism and get the help you want. If you want to quit drinking AA is the place to be (for most)... The program of AA (the 12 steps) have given me a freedom beyond my wildest dreams. Personally I don't care who knows I'm in recovery. I'm up front with my employers and if they don't like the idea of me being a recovering alcoholic then so be it. I have found that most commend me for seeking help and none have never not hired me due to me being a recovering alcoholic. I'm certainly not an important public figure, however I work in the health care field and am responsible for peoples lives, so if I were to drink the possiblity of a fatal mistake is very real. We alcoholics are not BAD people, we are sick people trying to get well. As far as procrastination goes..oh boy...yep, I'm real good at procrastinating. lol But I'm like what someone else said, I don't really worry about what others think of how my house looks. If they are coming to see me they are coming to see me. It's the paperwork that gets to me, and I become overwhelmed when I let it pile up. I try to keep life simple. Go through and throw stuff away that I don't use or need, and try to organize one thing at a time. Perhaps make a list of things you want to do and do just one, no matter how simple and cross it off. That seems to help me a little. And just doing things I don't really like to do but do anyway. (sort of like being "willing to go to any lenghts to stay sober", had to do some things I really didn't want to do but did it anyway..... Sorry this is so long but good topics.. I'm a productive citizen today thanks to AA and sobriety. From skid row to a profession I love is a true miracle. And I had to laugh about the person with a beer at each end of her house. When I was drinking and HAD a house to live in, would take two beers into the shower with me just to get through my shower...lol... Thank you all for being here for me... Kathleen rambler@atlantic.net


Member: DAvid H
Location: NAshville TN
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 2:09:17 PM

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This is a great topic balance and productivity. I was a drain society just over 4 years ago before I stopped drinking. The first year or so about all I did after treatment was work and AA. Now too, I have other responsibilities that have come about from working the AA program. I get overwhelmed at times too. But I still make meetings, though not every day anymore, I work the steps and work with others. I just have to remeber to HAULT and give God credit and remain humble and gratefull.


Member: James
Location: idaho
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 3:11:55 PM

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(Kathleen) thanx for your honesty. ((mrs. important polotician))... you better get yourself in the 'Know' that aa is for sick alcoholics trying to get sober.. and along with that comes all kinds of bullshit. But you gotta ask yourself.. do i wanna die from drinking? do i wanna hang onto my 'important' image' (which is probably a bunch a phony balony; if underneath all that your a practicing drunk) the choice is yours.. if i was you i would cut the crap, and get help.. if you have this disease, your goin down one way or another.. so what are you going to do? Do you think all your polotician friends will go to your funeral and say "Thank god she kept up her image!" fifty bucks says that they are already talking behind your back, saying what thier afriad to say to your face..lol and prayers


Member: moe c
Location: nj
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 4:08:46 PM

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There was a day in my first or second year when I went to a meeting and shared how overwhelmed I was with the new clash of what is important to be done and what is overwhelming me. Someon with more time pulled me over and reminded me I was an alcoholic and pressure from what might be procrastination may just be too much to do. He was very serious about my sitting down and being sure of what was supposed to be done and what felt like it should be done. Speaking as a woman, I can come up with house hold stuff, work stuff, kids stuff, health stuff, meetings stuff, and on and on and on - after getting sober i must tell you my Christmas tree got very simple and my standards for perfection had to be relaxed. I had to decide where my time was to go and let go of some areas -- to protect my serenity , spirit, and sobriety. It worked and what i thought was important and what i thought i had to do has changed - so for some of the procrastinators...maybe our new sobriety doesn't warrant everything being done anymore by us. That is the type of alcoholic i am - perfectionist. next right thing, turn it over, ask GOD and ask my sponsor.


Member: AZbill
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 5:57:12 PM

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Hi Bill here Alcoholic from Arizona. Now I do not have to admit that to you at a closed meeting or an open meeting unless I choose to. Bullseye Kathleen from Florida. Right on the money. And just because I have known you personally for years does not influence me one bit. LOL. There are a lot on non-alcoholics in these rooms at times. There are a few that come into these room looking for things other than recovery. There are also alcoholics that come into these rooms that try to get this program by osmosis. I will offer two direct quotes from the pamphlet, "Understanding Anonymity". "At the personal level, anonymity provides protection for all members from Identification as alcoholics......" and from the Q and A part. "Q. If relatives, friends and business associates comment on my improved appearance and functioning after I become sober, should I tell them I'm in AA? A. Immediate family members are usually pleased..However, "As for business associates, it might be best simply to say that you've stopped drinking and postpone the decision about disclosing your membership until after you have been in the Fellowship for several months". I have lost two jobs as a direct and indirect anonymity break. I will share that in an email if you wish. As far as "we are as sick as out secrets", I have been in AA a long time and have not heard it much and have never run across it in out literature. Maybe someone can help. I was at my last job over 5 years and they never knew. LOL My retirement party was held at a bar and no one even noticed I was not drinking. Thanks. Bill email: az-bill@mindspring.com


Member: mark w
Location: florida
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 8:30:20 PM

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This is my first meeting online though I have been a member for 10 years. Right now I am going through a separation from my wife. I am resentful at her. I am reading the big book daily if I was still drinking I could not handle this situation. With Gods help I will get through this rough period of time one day at a time, now I have faith to believe in a higher power as when I was drinking I was my higher power. Thanks Mark W.


Member: Dawn M
Location:
Date: 3/10/2003
Time: 9:51:12 PM

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I'm posting again. I cannot not reply! I am truly overwhelmed by the messages and truth that have been sent my way. For Kathleen from Florida, you have confirmed my fears, but I believe getting control over my ilfe will mean more than worrying about what people say. As for James from Idaho, you might note that the "politician" title was used as an example. I am not one, incidentally. I have enough to come to terms with right now! But your point - blunt as it was - was well taken. I see what one writer meant about losing our thin skin...haven't quite shed mine yet, but nonetheless I am grateful to you all for sharing your hard-earned wisdom. BTW I have met a sponsor online and am on my way to a meeting next week. I have been sober since Mar. 1 and plan to stay that way. Blessings.


Member: Melanie
Location: Akron, Ohio, USA
Date: 3/11/2003
Time: 12:11:43 AM

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Hello Friends! I'm Melanie, an alcoholic. I thought I was a functioning alcoholic when I was drinking. Now sober, I see I was still the under-acheiver I had always been. I wasn't making a useful contribution to anything, except maybe the liquor industry's profits. I did manage to complete college, it took me 8 years to get a bachelor's degree, LOL! Sobriety has led me to a new career (using that BS degree), healthy relationships with my family and home ownership. I help people at work and in my private life and it feels good. Speaking of procrastination, my home is somewhat of a mess. It's just not possible to do everything and still enjoy life. I'm still finding the balance my life needs, but I've come to realize it's now about what is truly important in my life, not what looks good, or what others think. My family would rather see me healthy in a "lived-in" looking home, than see me holding a cocktail in the pages of House Beautiful! Just choose your priorities and don't sweat the small stuff. One more thing, to JAY T. The first two years of teaching are the hardest. You may try a transfer or a different subject or grade level. Remember, it's about the kids--remove the words "expectations and rewards" from your vocabulary and you will soon be surprised! Love and blessings to you all!


Member: Leslie A
Location: Id
Date: 3/11/2003
Time: 12:38:37 AM

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Leslie and I am an alcoholic from ID. This is my first time posting. I can relate to the house cleaning. I thought that if my house was clean and I cooked great I would seem "normal". Since I was in the house all day drinking keeping the house clean wasnt that hard. Now that I work full time and am raising two children alone it is a lot harder, but I would not trade ANY of these hetic days for those lonely days of drinking in solitde, I finally am at peace with me. Good luck Dawn and please put your fears aside your family will be greatful!


Member: T-Bone
Location: S. Fla
Date: 3/11/2003
Time: 4:42:47 AM

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If your embarrassed about going to meetings because you are a public figure, think of how you will feel when your drinking catches up to you and you become a PUBLIC SPECTACAL. Take it from one who knows, it ain't cool. Read the B.B., go to meetings, (you'll be suprised who you see there), take the cotton out of your ears and stick it in your mouth (listen) and be willing to accept the things you can not change. Thanks for letting me share, have a great sober 24.


Member: Charlie Darling
Location: Ft Myers via Key West FL
Date: 3/11/2003
Time: 6:58:35 AM

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Good Morning FAMILY Charlie Darling a very grateful recovering alcholic. Boy some real great posts, and alot of first timers here. I Love first timers, as they help me keep it green, and let me know I don't have to go back to where I was over 6 yrs ago. Prayer is a big help, as I know my HP wants me to stay sober, and with his help and my fellowship of AA I can do. I sometimes feel like the train that said I think I can, and today I say I know I can, because I have the faith, and will to do Gods will what ever that is for me. We have to learn that everything happens in his time, and learn to accept what is put in front of us. Dawn God Bless, and keep you strong to follow the road to a wonderful life of sobriety. It gets better each day. Just remember to ask your HP to keep you sober just for today, and at night thank himor her or what ever your HP is each night. You are loved by many, and you started out right by asking for help. Just for today as that is all we have. Tommorrow we will handel that when it gets here. I Love you family, and all you first timers keep coming back it does get better.kwduke_1999@yahoo.com


Member: cindy p.
Location: penna
Date: 3/11/2003
Time: 10:23:25 AM

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great meeting!!!!cindy here,just an unknown alky from pa....this procratination and productivity topic makes me remember the 7th step....take me, ALL of me, the good and bad, and use me to YOUR purpose....i prayed for patience once and did nothing for 3 months...yup lazy or patient?who knows, gave me something to watch while i was not drinking....balance?lol thats my goal, i am aware that i am by nature an extremeist and so my expectations arent as extreme, on myself or others...dawn why wait til next weak to get to a meeting...as i see it the only thing that would change is your desire to go to a meeting....don't procrastinate....feel the fear and go anyway....we all had fears,very real ones. get over it and go....God bless


Member: Leland
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Date: 3/11/2003
Time: 11:22:27 AM

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Leland, alcoholic. Steps and meetings have been a training grounds of sorts for me. I learned how to start a process with Step 1 and see each phase through and do the best I can through to Step 12. Of course, the dirty little secret is I have to keep repeating the process, but all kidding aside, it is a small price to pay. This training ground allowed me to start over, when I thought it was too late. College became a reality. Friendships have been forged. Relationships from the past were righted and new ones have started on the right foot. I'm refraining from getting into the chest pounding, because things are great. I know that AA is the foundation for my being able to be present and available for action. I love the fact that our literature mentions that at some point we all get an opportunity to spread our wings into the universe. I take that to mean interact with society and pursue our bliss.


Member: John A
Location: Manchester (UK)
Date: 3/11/2003
Time: 6:13:56 PM

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John A, A Very grateful alcoholic. I know this is not with in keeping with this weeks share; I have news for you all. My share on the topic of sponsors just last week, After the overwhelming replies and e-mail on this topic, I now have my self a sponsor. And after just spending an hour on the phone with him, I know he is working this program. So a very big thank you to each and every one of you that took the time to post and e-mail me on this topic with all your advice and suggestions, I now have more friends in my life now, than I had when I was drinking. I cannot go without saying a very big thank you to my good friend John H, who has spent the last few months kicking my butt on this topic and I know when the time is right for him, he will make a top sponsor. If there is anyone out there that needs to share but finds posting on this site hard, my mailbox is always open. Thanks for letting me share and God bless all. Mail me @ .yourwine@hotmail.com


Member: Caryn C
Location: Chicago
Date: 3/11/2003
Time: 11:09:20 PM

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Hi, I'm Caryn and I'm an alcoholic and an addict, grateful to be sober today.(8 years, Thanks to my HP)This is my first post and I would like to thank everyone for being here for me. I wasn't able to get to my homegroup tonight and I needed a meeting. I'm a single mom with 2 boys at home and they were the priority tonight. I appreciate everyone's comments. I am working on balance in my life too. I can get caught up in perfectionism and it gets my head spinning. I am so grateful that I have learned to talk about things with other women in recovery in order to get perspective on things. As as alcoholic, I still like to try to take care of everything myself and I can forget to ask for help. I want to comment on what someone said earlier about us being as "sick as our secrets". In my recovery, that means that I don't have a secret self like I used to. I have at least one person in my like that I tell my secrets to. It doesn't mean I tell everyone everything. Thanks for listening.


Member: Halie J
Location: Byron Bay - Australia
Date: 3/12/2003
Time: 4:10:57 AM

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Hi my name is Halie and Im an Alcoholic. My first time doing this online, how exciting! Procrastination has riddled me since I can remember and is something I need to pray about every day. For me it is about fear I think, I have recently started taking my recovery more seriously, well reall I had no choice I came to a point in my life where I had 2 choices to get sicker or better basically. I had had enough of the merry go round. I have been in recovery for 3 years now and have 2 1/2 years sobriety, I came in when I was 21, now 24, I have 2 daughters and just going through seperating from my partner of 7 years. I have jammed so much into my short life and it got so much for me I lost myself entirly to this dis-ease. Im really gratful I was 12 stepped ny my mother and am getting my life back - finding that balance is hard work but I am getting the benefits. I started doing my 5th step on Sunday with my sponsor and the relief and change in me is dramatic. I procrastinated about doing Step 4 for 3 years it came to the point where I could not afford mentally, spiritually and emotionally not to DO the suggested things of this truly awesome program. I'm getting to know me thanks to AA and my Higher Power. An older sober member once looked deep in my eyes at my first meeting and said, "expectations kill us alcoholics so remember that an expectation is a pre-meditated resentment" I understand this clearly now it's not so much the drinking anymore its how to live life honestly and without an agenda of self will. It's damn hard work but I want to have that serenity that oozes from those beautiful older sober members and live my life to the best of my ability. What a gift to be able to share from my desk at home. Thankyou to you all! Halie@usana.com


Member: Robin A
Location: FL
Date: 3/12/2003
Time: 6:11:54 AM

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Thank You all for the advice, suggestions and comments! I have learned alot thru your words. Keep em' coming-I have a long way to go.


Member: THE ESKIMO
Location: Northern ILLINOIS
Date: 3/12/2003
Time: 8:37:15 PM

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HI I AM Don an Alcholic,Good lead, When I seen I was of no use to myself or anyone else I just hated what I had become. Why not die. I got into AA about then and stayed. It got better, a lot better with time. I now have a good job, checks clear the bank, food, lots of friends, good car, and even voted one time. Wow I can be of use to others too!! not bad, not bad at all. Thanks to you, and the HP. I keep in mind that my program sucks and AA's program works. THE ESKIMO {DON}


Member: Shauna W
Location: Murchison, WAustralia
Date: 3/12/2003
Time: 9:57:14 PM

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Hi, I'm Shauna and a grateful alcoholic. Having these on-line meetings is a Godsend for me! This topic of productivity and procrastination is interesting. When I got sober nearly l3 years ago, I thought I would start to make a difference in society, to put something back instead of being a drain. I was very ill physically with liver disease, and quite insane, but thought I was extremely intelligent. I soon found out otherwise!!! For the first few years I had to re-learn how to function on an hourly, then daily basis. Dishes had to be done without a cask handy, kids to school, shopping without the sherry flagon, even driving sober was really hard! I began a Tafe course and was topping the classes with distinctions! I quit that after 6months as I was still mad and settled down to look after me, so I could learn how to look after and love my children properly, to become a member of society who has unconditional love for my fellow beings. I am still learning all this on a daily basis, but could not have done any of it without the love, guidance, patience and support of my fellow AA members and God, whom I learned to love and obey. I still don't have that certificate, but that's OK for me. If I am meant to get one then God will guide me there. Today I manage a remote station with my husband, and we have many visitors, some who know I am in AA and some who don't but I learn from them all. I need you people too as I had meetings for the first 9 years but now they are all on-line or e-mail. When I am in a quandry, I ask myself and God, "How important is it?" I know I would not be alive today if it were not for AA. Today I live the fellowship to the best of my ability to listen to God and do His will. Thankyou for being here, Shauna


Member: Julie P.
Location: Iowa
Date: 3/13/2003
Time: 12:36:52 AM

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Hi,I'm Julie-Alcoholic/addict. New here. I have read so many great things. Really relate to the procrastination thing,and worrying about what to do. See that it is probably fear and need to just pray about it and do what is in front of me. I have just found a sponsor and am really working the steps for the first time. All ready my life is getting so much better. I know I have lots of work ahead. Thank you all for your sharing it has helped me a lot. It great reading something and saying "thats exactly how I am" and seeing that there is a solution to my problems. I Love this program and thank God every day! God Bless You all! Julie


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: 3/13/2003
Time: 1:39:39 AM

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Hi, Kelly, Alcoholic grande. Being a productive part of society has not happened to me (yet) in recovery. I'm almost 6 months sober and still very foggy. I know what it is like and lived that way until alcohol took my career. I had a great job for 12 years but at the end I gave it up to drink full time. My goals at this point are modest and AA is my top priority just as my drinking was. I do have goals for down the road but I'm not ready yet. Keeping a house and my son, pets and 2 meetings a day are enough for now. I can relate ((Lessa)) and everyone about housework! The stategically placing the beers on each side of the living room to vacuum had me rolling! My house was cleaner when I drank cause I was always home drinking. Do a chore, have a drink, do another chore have another drink and so on till nap time. That alcohol reward system really worked wonders around the house. Now I have a woman from the program come in once a week to clean and I do the small stuff. I spent 450.00 a month on my booze so part of that goes to my house now so I can focus on my recovery instead of dust bunnies. Works for me! I think a lot of my procrastination comes from learning how to live sober. It is scary to face things that I don't want to without my comfort/ alcohol. I avoid things now I never did before. I don't like making major decisions or even minor ones out of fear. I'm working on it. I am moving forward slowly. Procrastination is really sloth in 5 syllables. (B.B.pg.67) God Bless, Kelly


Member: Mary Ann T.
Location: Chicago
Date: 3/13/2003
Time: 7:57:00 AM

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What a great place to be this early morning - at an on-line meeting! I left my meditation books in my daughter's car and have been having a hard time doing without them. I also struggle with procrastination and lack of productivity! The best thing I can do is try to do the next right thing. Sometimes that's something as simple as putting the dishes from last night in the dishwasher. What had loomed large the night before takes only about 5 minutes and makes me feel so good that I often am motivated to keep the ball rolling and do the next next right thing and so on. It can snowball from there or not, but at least I've done something! Keeping it simple and doing the next right thing are things I've learned from all of you. Thanks for being there!


Member: Eva R
Location: Florida
Date: 3/13/2003
Time: 2:26:49 PM

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I too am grateful that the program taught me how to live in society. I know people who feel the need to stay in meetings and around aa people almost exclusively. I do not chose to live my life that way. I do realize that maybe those people need that. I wish some of them could realize that I need to live my life my way. I enjoy my life and that is why I wanted to get sober. I love my relationship with my higher power and I love feeling comfortable with myself. I have close friends from the program in my life and we help each other. I have not been going to my home group lately. I guess I have a resentment. I quit going to the room because everytime I went to a meeting people moan and groan about so and so not being there. Wake Up! It is a personal program. Take your own inventory and leave ours alone. I have been sober for 20 years. I do not want to get drunk most of the time. I will always be an alcoholic, so I will always consider a drink. The compulsion is gone but not the occasional thought. I learned in the room how to not take the drink. I would like to go back and share how to do it. I will have to bite the bullet go in and clear the room of all the negative people and the room will go back to being a productive part of AA as it was for so many years. HA! I have to accept the room as it is and move on. ALAS. God knows better than me. I really like being able to come here and vent and make mistakes and love you all. I am not going to edit this too much. Blast away if I am in need.


Member: Julie P.
Location: Iowa
Date: 3/13/2003
Time: 6:03:50 PM

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Just had to say, that after reading all about procrastination and being productive, that for the first time today I actually did what I set out to. I know that probably sounds small but for me it is great! No procrastination today! Thanks to lots of prayer and not doing what "I" wanted to!! It is great to be sober!! -God Bless-Julie


Member: sam t
Location: so. cal
Date: 3/13/2003
Time: 7:42:25 PM

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Great topic. Thanks to all for the support


Member: T-Bone
Location: S.Fla
Date: 3/14/2003
Time: 4:54:53 AM

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Good morning all you sober people, what a great start to the day. Getting ready to go for my morning run after my morning conversation with my God. It's great to be sober and not have the fears that used to come every morning after a fitfull nights sleep. I don't post often and seldom say anything insightfull, but, man I feel good today! Eva, 20 years certainly gives you the right to vent. Get back in there and show the negative people in your home group what a positive thinker can accomplish in this wonderfull program. If they stay negative so what, you don't sound like your influenced much by pettiness. Have a great sober 24 everyone. God bless.


Member: Bob
Location: UK
Date: 3/14/2003
Time: 12:59:40 PM

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Hi all; I'm Bob and I'm an alcoholic. It's the end of a long week and I'm tired. I'm also pissed off at myself since this week hasn't been very productive. It's been more like a 'dry drunk' period - getting resentful when things don't go right, blaming others, being bored with AA meetings, etc. Thankfully I went to a step meeting last night which focused my mind and I had a chat with another member this morning, and that helped a lot. Trouble with sobriety is you got to work hard on yourself. If I may add a bit to the things others have said to Dawn (and I'm not being critical I don't know your circumstances). I have an extremely public job and I deluded myself for years that no one knew I was an alcoholic. After all I went the last two years where never drank in public, etc. When I eventually came to my senses (in a treatment centre) - I had to admit that I had lived in total denial for years. Off course everyone but me knew I was an alcoholic. I was the one living in total denial thinking that my drinking - alternated with 'dry drunks' on camprol and latterly antibuse - was my secret. It's only by embracing the steps in AA that I am able to move on and take pleasure in sobriety. I can't take pride in it - after all I'm not the one who keeps me sober. I tried that and failed - how can an alcoholic stand between himself and a drink? No the only thing that worked for me was surrendering to the fact of my alcoholism and letting my Higher Power take over. I need very regular AA meetings (at least 3 a week) to keep it that way and teach me how to handle sobriety - it may not be heaven but it beats hell (and we have all been there I guess). So Dawn - forget the pride and arrogance bit. After all Anthony Hopkin's is quite prepared to discuss his alcoholim on television and as far as I know he hasn't been ostracised for it. It took me a while to mention my addiction to my colleagues but the worse rebuff I've had so far has been "I know, but your so much better now...." Rather offputting when its taken me months of agony trying to decide whether to tell someone or not. Such is life. Thanks to all the people who contribute to this site - its not as good as a meeting but it is somewhere I can go (at work) and feel the power of the Fellowship. Thanks


Member: Susan A.
Location: Vernon, Connecticut
Date: 3/14/2003
Time: 2:21:13 PM

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Hi, all, I'm Susan and I'm an Alcoholic. What a lot of great comments and ideas to read through. For Dawn, I relate so much to worrying about what everyone will think (do, say, feel, etc). What 'I' feel and think about myself is so much more important. My sponsor told me I'd be surprized how little time those others really spend thinking about ME. By getting sober in my actions, thinking, and relationship with God (Good, if you prefer), I'm not doing things I'm ashamed of or have to hide. Welcome, and please keep coming back. As for procrastination/being productive...one more time, I am not terminally unique (thanks, all). What I did early on, and still today alot of times, was to "Do the things I don't want to do, and Don't Do the things I do want to do". Often, when newly sober, I'd call my sponsor in some kind of an uproar, who'd listen and then say she had to go for a bit, but "why didn't I do my dishes, then call her back". (get into productive action) 8^) I still get caught up in taking care of everyone else but me, though I'm not half so bad. Progress not perfection, right. Love to you all.


Member: JL
Location: The Beach
Date: 3/14/2003
Time: 6:18:33 PM

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Balance in life is an interesting equation. I keep thinking that I need more balance and when I get it I am not satisfied. LOL I read all the posts and finally someone said "do the next right thing" A gal in my morning meeting today said that was one of her most important lessons in AA. I become overwhelmed a lot of the time with life, getting sober has actually given me a lot more to do. When drinking I just gave up and never started anything. I still procrastinate, but I also have learned to take stuff in small pieces. Instead of cleaning the whole kitchen, which would never happen, I clean one drawer. I break up the tasks into smaller pieces that I know I can accomplish. I heard someone say in a meeting that they would look at their garden full of weeds and never start on it. What helped was to lay a piece of newspaper out and and mark it out and just weed that one square that it covered. Focus on that and when it is done, feel good about what you have done, not what you haven't. Makes the procrastination disappear. When I think about it, that is what One Day at a Time is. All I need to do is stay sober for one day. I don't have to stay sober all week or for a year. I used to set myself up and say I'll stay sober for 30 days. It was such a huge task it never was accomplished until I did it a day at a time.


Member: Ed Z.
Location: Ohio
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 12:01:22 AM

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Ed Z. Alcoholic, I had a terminally unique way of handling procrastination. The grass needed cut, pop open a 12 ounce long neck and cut until the beer was finished. I didn't say till I got tired I said empty. Needed something from the store, a couple of cans of pabst blue ribbon made getting to the store grocery or beverage store lots of fun. Need God take a couple of shots and go to church and sing. Have to go to work, nights were better because the cooler in the trunk was harder to spot. Hungry at lunch time, don't forget the Long Island Ice Tea. Put another way procrastination wasn't a problem, doing anything for very long sober was impossible. I Ed Z. think this terminal uniqueness is a commonality of the symptom of us alkies. If I got sick, taking medicine drinking a six pack intensified the effect. Well that's what I wanted intense health. I learned through step one, two, and three the viciousness of my alcoholism I partcipated in while drinking. No stories of pink elephants rambling down the street. The pink elephants were painted on the walls of the corner bar. Gee, I wonder why they called it the PINK ELEPHANT. Again alcohol controlled my life before I humbled myself on a daily basis to God and the fellowship of AA. Thank You extended family, Love and Prayers to all.


Member: anilg
Location: mt vernon.IL
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 9:22:38 AM

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I am an acoholic moving on and becoming a productive citizen is a nice topic when i was under the influence of alcohol and drugs i was productive alright in fact in order for me to be productive i did drugs and it would enhance my production i did drugs i would stay more productive get good night sleep,energetic in the morning appropriate statement would be to be a good productive citizen free of any and all character defects and submitting to the will of god.


Member: Tori G
Location: Rocky Mountains
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 12:31:21 PM

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Hi I'm Tori and I'm an alcoholic. I keep my house spotless and well decorated, because I am hoping no one will see what a mess I truly am when they visit. This is my first posting and I'm so happy that I found this site. I have no one to talk to about my drinking or the things that I let push me over the edge. My friends all think I'm so together. (I only drink alone in the evenings) I feel like such an isolated phony to the whole world. Last night a friend dropped by around 8:30 pm and I only hope that they didn't notice that I was tipsy. I tried to call AA this morning, but they were closed for the weekend--so I'm glad I found this site! I plan on calling them again on Monday and starting to attend their meetings. I tried to tell myself that my drinking was no big deal, because I only do it at home alone in the evening, but the truth is that I am afraid I can't stop and I really want to. Some unfortunate things happened to me and my stress level is through the roof. I have PTSD from being held at gunpoint years ago. I was doing okay until I found out that my husband cheated on me with a prostitute before we got married. I trusted him with all of my heart and I can't seem to get over what happened. He didn't even get a health check afterwards! Of course I made him get several when I found out about it! Now my Mom has alzheimer's and cancer and I am just falling apart.


Member: D.K.
Location: N.Y.
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 2:50:57 PM

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WELL, HERE I AM. THE FIRST DAY OF THE REST OF MY LIFE. I HATE DRINKING ANYMORE. I NEED TO STOP AND GET MY ACT CLEANED UP. I CAN ALWAYS USE SOMEONE TO TALK TO. ANY TAKERS?


Member: Tori
Location: The Mountains
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 4:00:09 PM

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Hi D.K. You sound like I feel. Here's my email: twopudgyparrots@msn.com Looking forward to hearing from you. Tori


Member: John A
Location: Manchester (UK)
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 6:15:24 PM

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John A. Here a grateful alcoholic. Hi D.K from N.Y. Welcome. You have come to a place where you can share all round the world at the click of a mouse, and help is always about. You only have to read back over this web site to see the strength and hope, and all everyone wants is for you to stay sober one day at a time. Get your self down to a local meeting where you will be made most welcome. Anyway I am glade you have found use he, and keep coming back and sharing. Thanks for letting me share. John A.. yourwine@hotmail.com


Member: Ronald J
Location: VA.
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 7:57:33 PM

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Hello my name is Ronald and I am a Alcoholic, and i thank God for Alcoholic Anonymous because change my life . I know that its all about change today and to let god take constrol and show me the way to live a new life with out Alcohol . Today i am a married man and i love my wife and god a lote has happen in my life through god an AA.


Member: Ronald J
Location: VA.
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 7:58:24 PM

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Hello my name is Ronald and I am a Alcoholic, and i thank God for Alcoholic Anonymous because change my life . I know that its all about change today and to let god take constrol and show me the way to live a new life with out Alcohol . Today i am a married man and i love my wife and god a lote has happen in my life through god an AA.


Member: Ronnie Joe
Location: Baltimore
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 9:24:09 PM

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Much love to you Tori...and D.K. find the inner strenght to stop. Life is soooo much prettier when one is wearing rose color glasses without the alcohol to cloud the truth! God Bless all.


Member: Mike J
Location: Arizona
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 9:49:17 PM

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Hi everyone i just moved here from ohio and am living with my parents this is my first time on here aa online. ihave about one month sobriety i have a sponsor but am lonely.i would love to chat with some one .i have no car and no job but all my needs are met .i am 32 years old and life is a mess inside i have stayed sober ten months the last three years and thought i could drink again but jails prison and psych ward is where i ended up . where i live is very desolite and hard to get rides but i do attend meetings .i just need a little more fellowship i am on computer a lot but would rather be talkin with you people than wasting time i hope someone can e-mail me miklocolife@yahoo.com thank you all for being here ,lonely in arizona.


Member: Tori G
Location: The Mountains
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 10:01:56 PM

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Thank you for your kind words Ronnie Joe. I'm going to try and take things one day at a time. I want to get better. Today was the first time I admitted that I'm an alcoholic. Take Care and thank you so very much, Tori


Member: Matt
Location: Utah
Date: 3/15/2003
Time: 10:18:29 PM

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Hey fellow alcoholics! I will just say that I'm new to the cyber A.A. stuff but am definately available to talk at anytime. I'm just over 60 days sober but I know you have to take it one day at a time! Feel free to send en email my way, ntkanguru@attbi.com if you need to talk. I'll take another 24. :)


Member: Rarely
Location: Winnipeg. Man. Can.
Date: 3/16/2003
Time: 4:22:53 AM

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Looks like I may be the last one here. I enjoyed all the comments. So now Ill clean up the ash trays, pick up all the cups, wash them, straighten out the furniture, and get her ready for another week long meeting. See you later eh Ron