Member: SCB
Location:
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 12:23:57 PM

Comments

Wow - first one here! (Unless someone beats me to it) How about: different ways to carry the message?


Member: Alkie
Location:
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 12:41:37 PM

Comments

Thank you Phil D. for the comment to lulu. It was suggested to me by an oldtimer,that,I should stay away from the people who tell me I need to do this and I need to do that. He said the only thing that I need to do is have an honest desire to stop drinking ! Everything else will come in god's time not mine (or lulu's)


Member: suzi
Location: fairfield,ct
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 2:31:11 PM

Comments

to carry the message is an honor and a neccesity of my sobriety. the gift I have been given is great in comparison to the little "suggestions" in the AA book to keep us sober and on a spritual path. I think by example we are most affective and true in our walk and talk. God and AA are like buffers between life and myself whereas drinking used to be my only option to cope. When I am clean in heart and spirit-all is well and I am helpful


Member: alternity
Location: indiana
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 3:30:28 PM

Comments

staying sober one day at a time is how I can best carry the message. Will have 60 days sober and for the first time I think the miracle is happening! bless and thanks for the topic. Im in.


Member: sherri M.
Location: S.Texas
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 3:40:24 PM

Comments

Was almost "first" today but chickened out like the new kid in the meeting although I am far from that. I have learned from AA meetings that if I do not feel compelled to chirp up there is a reason. I have something to learn and yes,to be reminded of a few things. I have been "out of the loop" as in physical meetings and long ago resigned my self to giving up on my input at these helping anyone cuz quite frankly I got bored w'hearing the same ol' crap and seeing so many people fail and all the BS that goes w/it. As Suzi says.,these days I just walk the walk largely for my enjoyment and a much much greater enjoyment of my family and the fabulous life that I have and share w/so many others upon this earth. I think my smile and general health and well-being shows a lot of people that the way I live is pretty damn good-sober.


Member: Stephen M
Location: Bournemouth, UK
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 3:57:27 PM

Comments

My name is Steve, and I'm an alcoholic. I have just flown back from the Jersey AA convention in the channel islands. I was looking forward to the dance when I happened to bump into an old drinking partner from ten years ago who has had a continuous struggle over the years in and out of the rooms. People keep telling him, 'keep coming back, son, 'do ninety in ninety,'don't worry about anything,' just keep coming back and everything will get better.'That is good advice for some, but for others it's not.

My own story is similar to this fellow, I also was in and out of the rooms, from the middle of the eighties and the biggest part of the nineties. And the message wouldn't penetrate. What it took for this alcoholic to start recovering was a prison sentence, primary and secondery treatment. Basically I had to be taken right off the street, and given a total education on recovery, and what it actually means - learning about the disease concept, the mental, spiritual and physical aspect of the illness, and getting a solid foundation: a grasp on step one.

When my friend said to me, 'How come you lot who have similar stories to me, can get a grip on this and I can't.' My answer was: you've got to completely change the way you're going about things, perhaps you have to do it the way I done it - take away the prison sentence - and go through primary and secondery treatment. So going back to the topic: 'different ways to carry the message,' I feel the casual approach, 'Don't worry, keep coming back, do ninety in ninety and everything will get better isn't enough for some people. Some people really need to be taken out of society and shown how to live sober before they can get a grasp on this program. Here in the U.K. sometimes treatment centres are frowned upon in certain quarters, but for this alcoholic it is very unlikely that I'd be sitting here two and a half years sober if it wasn't for these establishments. I have no doubt in my mind I'd either be dead, or locked up in prison. Through my drinking I have served a life sentence in installments, and thanks to the fellowship of alcoholics anonymous, and the people who brought this message into the prisons, I am a free man in more ways than one. So I believe a different way to carry the AA message, is through twelve step treatment centres.


Member: Marty G.
Location: Manitowoc, Wisconsin
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 5:38:24 PM

Comments

To carry the message, to me, is to share my experience, strenght, & hope with others; at meetings,& at speaker meetings.I usually try to speak at every meeting i go to if i have been in similar situations myself. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: mikeC
Location:
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 6:56:36 PM

Comments

My name is Mike and I am an alcoholic. I have been sober for 1 day.


Member: Corinne B., Alcoholic here, there & happy, joyous & free!
Location: Camino, CA - Home to 3 Very Spoiled Manxes!
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 7:07:06 PM

Comments

Good topic ((SCB)) & I hope next time ((Sherri M)) comes in first, you'll go ahead and post a topic! I've been in that quandry a couple of times here, being first, then finding my mind went completely blank on selecting a topic!!

As for the topic at hand - different ways of carrying the message - I was sharing with someone on the phone this morning how it seems to me that folks who use online recovery seem to have a little, special, extra "something" going for them. (I shy away from saying more quality of sobriety.) I think what I'm getting at is the more mediums we use to keep us connected to AA, the more it fills us up with our love for sobriety.

I can remember my first time around in the '80s when we didn't have online recovery. It seems to me that during the years I subscribed to the Grapevine, I was doing better at working the AA program. I think the written-word method of carrying the message is very powerful and I'll be forever grateful for finding Staying Cyber the very week that I first got back to AA in November 1998. I truly believe this had a whole lot to do with keeping me sober in the long run.

In fact, right before I found this site, I frequented a HepC site where there were many 12-Step program people. I'm fairly sure there were seeds being planted on that site that led me back to the Fellowship and sobriety.

I work the AA Hotline here one afternoon a week and talk to several women via telephone who cannot (for a variety of reasons) get to many f2f mtgs. I do some of my best work on the telephone or online! LOL!! Having said that, one of the most powerful ways to carry the message is to simply offer up a smile and a handshake to the newcomer who's attending their very first few meetings. I say this from personal experience as the respondee of such interactions from when I was brand new or just coming back in. It's the folks who welcomed me that I always feel closest to, or have eventually come to ask to sponsor me.

On the flip side of that, it's been hard to feel close to those that shunned me, talked down to me from some "better-than plateau," or acted like they didn't really want to give me their phone numbers due to their own personal problems at the time. I only bring up that type of experience because it does happen, and I hope people who are like that someday realize the impact those first impressions have, especially on the newcomer. For me, it helped me see how not to behave to the next newcomer that comes in, once I attained a little sober-time of my own.

I also like to acknowledge the newcomers whenever I share in a mtg, and tell them that they don't ever have to feel the way they're feeling ever again.

Thanks again for a great topic ((((SCB))))!!


Member: A.K.
Location: Ca
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 7:46:44 PM

Comments

Hey Mike C. Me too. Good luck to us both.


Member: jimmy oc.
Location: queens ny
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 8:02:55 PM

Comments

the best way i can carry the message is to continue sharing my experience strength and hope with newcomers.i have a problem socially dealing with people,even after eleven years plus sobriety.i found when i share on how i came to be sober i am helping others without even knowing it.i will never be perfect in this program but i keep getting better and thats important.


Member: Peter P
Location: N.J.
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 8:16:51 PM

Comments

One can share the message by just showing up sober. Whether you share at meetings or not the magic of A.A. is always present in the rooms.I,ve known people who have not said a word for 8 years yet the power of example is still there.


Member: Quiet Bill
Location: Arizona
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 9:48:10 PM

Comments

Just a little to Mike C. and A.K. " each other" just found "each other" didn`t you? Probably the same feelings,,,,everything in common I bet,,,,Sure wish you would contact "each other" probably the best understanding in the world of and for "each other" Thats what alcholics do,,,,,, help "each other" That`s what happens in meetings,,,,every minute,,,,helping "each other",,,,find meetings,,,, My Best for another day,,,,


Member: HeatherR
Location: Florida
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 9:56:24 PM

Comments

just left detox for the third time I am fed up with getting drunk I like the topic just wish I could find chat


Member: LU-LU-alcoholic(yes i did mountains of coke,crystal and a bit of heroin)
Location: out of RESPECT for A.A. and " Singleness of purpose" I identify as an ALCOHOLIC.
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 10:26:02 PM

Comments

mike welcome, good luck.... you are gonna need it. that and a miricle... don't worry though we happen to be in "the age of miricles" so you are gonna be o.k. heres what helped me:lots of meetings,lots of reading the beautiful big book of alcoholics annonymous,and the 12&12 (seems to be much easier reading),got a sponsor got to work on the steps and traditions early on(second week actually), hyng out with "A.A. heads" lots of writing, lots of detox... sweating at nite, happy.. angry.. silly..confused.. hopefull, willing. WILLINGNESS thank God I was willing to do the stuff. GOOD LUCK MIKE hope you find comfort in A.A. LOVE LU-LU


Member: Sharon F
Location: cool, rainy Portland, OR
Date: 3/4/01
Time: 11:10:58 PM

Comments

The only way I know how to share the message is by my example of how I live my life... Attraction rather than promotion. The way I handle life's thorns, the way I handle joy, sorrow, pain, and am able most of the time to put out my hand and heart to those who are suffering.. in and out of soberiety... is an example of how the program works.. the subject often comes up.. how can you keep smiling.. boy is that my opening to share my experience strength and hope.. and I really take advantage of that.. and still try not to sound like the preacher's kid....lol !!! One smile goes a million miles when others know you are hurting yourself.... I'm no saint.. i don't walk on water as most of you know.. but that is my daily prayer.. to help others in some quiet, small way....by example of this fantastic program.

Love and prayers, Sharon Frey


Member: Drew
Location: Calif.
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 12:13:35 AM

Comments

The best way I carry the message is by my actions.Sometimes actions are better then words. People see me everyday with a smile on my face and love in my heart and alway thinking of the possitve. I'm going on 5 years sober now. And I love it. God Bless.


Member: ((((((((((())))))))))))))))
Location:
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 1:02:14 AM

Comments

carry the message....carry on

hey lu-lu!!!!!!!!! (imp)


Member: Jeff
Location: Northern CA
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 1:22:33 AM

Comments

Hi My name is Jeff and I am an alcoholic. I just got back from a meeting and since I took a nap on this rainy afternoon I was looking for more. The message..........

The message that I need to carry is that I have had some experience with the spiritual as the result of the steps. Some power greater than myself (who I call God) has allowed me to see things just a little bit diferently (or a whole lot in some cases). He finds a way for me not to drink one day at a time. He has shown me through the fellowship lots of people who don't take the first drink and therefore don't end up drunk. I am not sure why simple things are sometimes difficult - I used to drink when things seemed good or bad or boring or scary. Things haven't changed but I have not had to drink for 1287 days and I owe that to God and AA.

The message .....Trust God, Clean House, Help others. When I show up I get to play a small part. What ever it is.

Thanks to all for being here.


Member: Ed S.
Location: Dallas
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 9:14:48 AM

Comments

How do I carry the message? Sponsorship. Nothing keeps me in the literature as much and reminds me of what I used to be like.

We have had two people in our group with long term sobriety go out in the last year. Both stopped going to meetings and gradually stopped doing the steps in their daily lives.

I have a fatal disease, and if I don't keep up my spiritual life by carrying the message to others, I will relaspe.


Member: clara A.
Location: fla
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 9:54:55 AM

Comments

i think the best way to carry the message is by telling my story, not only at meetings but at the workplace,i have the occasion to spend time with 12 to 13 different people a day,i can always feel when my higher power has presented a person in my path,i just tell my story and i never have to break my anninimity wnless i choose to, there have been several people who have joined our way of life due to me sharing my strength and hope because by telling my story i dont come across as judgmental when people share their stories and are really honest they become so real. Always sharing at meetings is a way to carry the message.clara A.


Member: clara A.
Location: fla
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 9:54:58 AM

Comments

i think the best way to carry the message is by telling my story, not only at meetings but at the workplace,i have the occasion to spend time with 12 to 13 different people a day,i can always feel when my higher power has presented a person in my path,i just tell my story and i never have to break my anninimity wnless i choose to, there have been several people who have joined our way of life due to me sharing my strength and hope because by telling my story i dont come across as judgmental when people share their stories and are really honest they become so real. Always sharing at meetings is a way to carry the message.clara A.


Member: AnilG
Location: Mt Vernon,Illinois
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 11:01:31 AM

Comments

to share my strentgh hope and experiance is one way to carry my message across to others in the AA meetings. It was where i learnt to share and care for others. staying spritual and is ,I have find comforting to me and people around me they can get the vibes from me . practicing steps 4 , 5, 8 and 9 indirectly carries the message for me to others.


Member: Leslie M.
Location: Collegeville, PA
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 12:14:32 PM

Comments

I like the topic "carry the message." That's what gets me to meetings when I don't feel like going. I need to remember that it's not just about me; to stay sober I need to get to meetings and raise my hand --- sometimes about my life stuff, but more importantly, to share my experience, strength, and hope in order to help the newcomer or anyone who can benefit.


Member: Bonnie B
Location: Reno, NV
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 12:38:18 PM

Comments

Hi Everyone! Best way to carry the message is to be a role model yourself, others will notice, and be of service in AA. That means being IN the program not around it!! For more info. read A vision for You.


Member: Black Horse
Location: Go Ye Forth!!
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 1:30:38 PM

Comments

1) And it occurred at the end of two years of days that Pharaoh was dreaming, when lo! he was standing by the river (Nile); 2) and lo! from the river, were emerging seven heifers attractive in appearance and fat in flesh,- and they fed among the rushes. 3) And lo! seven heifers more emerging after them out of the river, ugly in appearance and lean in flesh,- and they went and stood beside the heifers by the lip of the river. 4) Then did the heifers that were ugly in appearance and lean in flesh eat up the seven heifers that were attractive in appearance and fat. So Pharaoh awoke. 5) And he fell asleep and dreamed a second time, when lo! seven ears sprouting on one stalk fat and good; 6) and lo! seven ears, lean and shrivelled by an east wind, sprouting after them. 7) Then did the lean ears swallow up the seven fat and full ears. So Pharaoh awoke and lo! it was a dream. 8) And it followed in the morning that his spirit turned restless, so he sent and called for all the sacred scribes of Egypt and all her wise men,- and Pharaoh related to them his dreams but there was no one that could interpret them to Pharaoh. 9) Then spake the chief of the butlers with Pharaoh saying, my faults would I mention this day. 10) So Pharaoh was wroth with his servants,- and put them in the ward of the house of the chief of the royal executioners, me, and the chief of the bakers.11) Then must we needs dream a dream in one night, I and he,- each man according to the interpretation of his dream did we dream. 12) And there with us was a young man, a Hebrew servant to the chief of the royal executioners, and we related to him and he interpreted to us our dreams,- to each man- according to his dream did he interpret. 13) And it later followed as he interpreted to us so it happened,- me he restored to mine office but him he hanged. 14) Then sent Pharaoh and summoned Joseph, and they hastened him out of the dungeon,- so he shaved himself and changed his garments, and went in unto Pharaoh. 15) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, a dream have I dreamed but none can interpret it,- but I have heard say concerning thee that on hearing a dream thou canst interpret it. 16) And Joseph answered Pharaoh saying, not to me doth it pertain! may God grant in answer the prosperity of Pharaoh! 17) Then spake Pharaoh unto Joseph,- in my dream there was I standing on the lip of the river; 18) when lo! out of the river were emerging seven heifers fat in flesh and attractive in form,- and they fed among the rushes. 19) And lo! seven other heifers emerging after them poor and very ugly in form and lean in flesh,- I had never seen such in all the land of Egypt for ugliness! 20) Then did the lean and ugly heifers eat up the first seven fat heifers; 21) and they passed into their stomach, yet could it not be known that they had passed into them, their appearance being ugly as at the beginning. So I awoke. 22) Then looked I in my dream,-And lo! seven ears sprouting on one stalk full and good; 23) and lo! seven ears withered lean shrivelled by an east wind sprouting after them. 24) Then did the lean ears swallow up the seven good ears. So I told these things unto the sacred scribes, but there was none that could explain them to me. 25) Then said Joseph unto Pharaoh, the dream of Pharaoh is one. What God is about to do hath He announced to Pharaoh. 26) The seven good heifers are seven years, and the seven good ears are seven years,- the dream is one. 27) And the seven lean and ugly heifers that were emerging after them are seven years, and the seven lean ears shrivelled by an east wind will turn out to be- seven years of famine.28) The very word that I spake unto Pharaoh, what God is about to do hath he showed unto Pharaoh. 29) Lo! seven years entering in of great plenty in all the land of Egypt. 30) Then shall arise seven years of famine after them, so shall be forgotten all the plenty in the land of Egypt,- and the famine shall consume the land; 31) neither shall the plenty in the land be discernible because of that famine following after,- for it shall be very severe! 32) And for that there was a repeating of the dream unto Pharaoh twice, it is because the thing is established from God, and God is hastening to do it. Amen and Amen in 666!!


Member: Black Horse
Location: Go Ye Forth!!
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 1:33:31 PM

Comments

A VISION FOR YOU!!

1) And it occurred at the end of two years of days that Pharaoh was dreaming, when lo! he was standing by the river (Nile); 2) and lo! from the river, were emerging seven heifers attractive in appearance and fat in flesh,- and they fed among the rushes. 3) And lo! seven heifers more emerging after them out of the river, ugly in appearance and lean in flesh,- and they went and stood beside the heifers by the lip of the river. 4) Then did the heifers that were ugly in appearance and lean in flesh eat up the seven heifers that were attractive in appearance and fat. So Pharaoh awoke. 5) And he fell asleep and dreamed a second time, when lo! seven ears sprouting on one stalk fat and good; 6) and lo! seven ears, lean and shrivelled by an east wind, sprouting after them. 7) Then did the lean ears swallow up the seven fat and full ears. So Pharaoh awoke and lo! it was a dream. 8) And it followed in the morning that his spirit turned restless, so he sent and called for all the sacred scribes of Egypt and all her wise men,- and Pharaoh related to them his dreams but there was no one that could interpret them to Pharaoh. 9) Then spake the chief of the butlers with Pharaoh saying, my faults would I mention this day. 10) So Pharaoh was wroth with his servants,- and put them in the ward of the house of the chief of the royal executioners, me, and the chief of the bakers.11) Then must we needs dream a dream in one night, I and he,- each man according to the interpretation of his dream did we dream. 12) And there with us was a young man, a Hebrew servant to the chief of the royal executioners, and we related to him and he interpreted to us our dreams,- to each man- according to his dream did he interpret. 13) And it later followed as he interpreted to us so it happened,- me he restored to mine office but him he hanged. 14) Then sent Pharaoh and summoned Joseph, and they hastened him out of the dungeon,- so he shaved himself and changed his garments, and went in unto Pharaoh. 15) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, a dream have I dreamed but none can interpret it,- but I have heard say concerning thee that on hearing a dream thou canst interpret it. 16) And Joseph answered Pharaoh saying, not to me doth it pertain! may God grant in answer the prosperity of Pharaoh! 17) Then spake Pharaoh unto Joseph,- in my dream there was I standing on the lip of the river; 18) when lo! out of the river were emerging seven heifers fat in flesh and attractive in form,- and they fed among the rushes. 19) And lo! seven other heifers emerging after them poor and very ugly in form and lean in flesh,- I had never seen such in all the land of Egypt for ugliness! 20) Then did the lean and ugly heifers eat up the first seven fat heifers; 21) and they passed into their stomach, yet could it not be known that they had passed into them, their appearance being ugly as at the beginning. So I awoke. 22) Then looked I in my dream,-And lo! seven ears sprouting on one stalk full and good; 23) and lo! seven ears withered lean shrivelled by an east wind sprouting after them. 24) Then did the lean ears swallow up the seven good ears. So I told these things unto the sacred scribes, but there was none that could explain them to me. 25) Then said Joseph unto Pharaoh, the dream of Pharaoh is one. What God is about to do hath He announced to Pharaoh. 26) The seven good heifers are seven years, and the seven good ears are seven years,- the dream is one. 27) And the seven lean and ugly heifers that were emerging after them are seven years, and the seven lean ears shrivelled by an east wind will turn out to be- seven years of famine.28) The very word that I spake unto Pharaoh, what God is about to do hath he showed unto Pharaoh. 29) Lo! seven years entering in of great plenty in all the land of Egypt. 30) Then shall arise seven years of famine after them, so shall be forgotten all the plenty in the land of Egypt,- and the famine shall consume the land; 31) neither shall the plenty in the land be discernible because of that famine following after,- for it shall be very severe! 32) And for that there was a repeating of the dream unto Pharaoh twice, it is because the thing is established from God, and God is hastening to do it. Amen and Amen in 666!!


Member: Clara A.
Location: Fla
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 2:01:29 PM

Comments

I wonder what your story is, Black Horse!!!


Member: Von
Location: Ohio
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 2:07:00 PM

Comments

Thanks for all your comments. A lot of different perspectives. There are many ways to carry the message but I find that when I made the decision to turn my will and my life over to the care and direction of God as I understood Him, all I have to do is be honest, willing, and openminded. Yes, I believe it's that simple.

If I ever decide that I know this and I know that, life shows me I don't know anything. When I'm honest, I tend to carry the message much better because I'm reminded that I ain't all that, that I may be further away from my last drink, but we're all one drink away from a drunk.

When I'm willing, then I find that I don't dictate to my Higher Power what message I'll carry that day. Sometimes it's as simple as cleaning ashtrays, or just showing up at a meeting. I try to be consistent everyday and I know that consistency can go a long way to carrying the message. There's a lot to be said for showing up at meetings. It's not what I can get out of it, but what I can bring. Sometimes it's just a smile and handshake, sometimes it's a 12 step call. I just make sure to try to be willing to do whatever I'm called upon to do.

When I'm open minded then I find that each of us got to this program in many ways. So I won't knock one type of meeting over another. I won't criticize and think I know what's best for the newcomer. Whatever brings them is fine with me. If I'm open minded, I tend to be less critical and less self-righteous. I don't find myself giving stupid advice like "this type of meeting is better than that", or "this is the only way to blah, blah, blah!" I share what my experience was, but don't try to force anyone to do anything.

Basically, if you're living (not talking) principles, you will find many ways to carry the message. It depends on your degree of "H.O.W.".


Member: Rama S
Location: Dubai UAE
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 2:25:17 PM

Comments

Hi my name is Rama and I am an alcoholic. I have been 6 months sober and evryone tells me to keep coming to meetings so much that I feel guilty when I am unable to make one. I feel that just showing up sober everyday for life is carrying the message - rain or shine, depressed or happy, in misery or abundance.I hope I can do that everyday. Sounds good. But what do I do to deal with low self esteem? I admitted this to myself via step 4 yesterday and have been suffering the effects of depression since then!


Member: Derek B.
Location: Manchester, UK
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 5:43:10 PM

Comments

Hi all, I'm Derek and an alcoholic. The message AA carries, as I see it, is contained in both step 1 and step 3-to admit there is a problem and solution respectively. Surely this is apparent in each of us when we arrive at step 12 and carry the message to the alcoholic who still suffers and practice these principles in all of our affairs-at least to the best of our abilities. Not wishing to be patronising Mike, one day is all any of us has today. Nobody is below or above. One of the great facts of alcoholism is that it is a tremendous leveller.


Member: *****
Location:
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 6:00:40 PM

Comments

WAT IS WHITE HORSE TALKING About lu-lu?

and why am i shouting????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Member: Ed G,
Location: Bryan
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 6:24:40 PM

Comments

Hi, I'm Ed and a alcoholic, the message tha AA carriers is one of promise and hope for a better out look at life, without the need for escape or the need for that drink to help you get through it. Doing it one day at a time..


Member: David R.
Location: Southern Va.
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 8:02:10 PM

Comments

David here and working on my third week sober, and taking it one day at a time. I used to think the only way people knew me and at the time enjoyed me was getting and being drunk. Even as early as now, I enjoy being around other people sober. Even people who still drink see a good change, and I can still make them laugh and respect what I am trying to do. The past few weeks have been great, no hangovers, not as depressed, extra money, improving concentration and memory and able to handle both easy and hard daily tasks. Not to mention, my doctor says my liver profile should improve.I don't want to give those things up. Through example and the positive personality and outlook a sincere recovering alcoholic is bound to portray,people take notice . It may be one fellow alcoholic at a time, one day at a time. Before I go, a couple of reminders, keep saying the serenity prayer, and Don't get to hungry, angry, lonely or tired. Your higher power will keep reminding you of your powerlessness if you ask. God bless all of you and don't take that first drink.


Member: jennifer
Location: southeast
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 9:06:52 PM

Comments

i'm jennifer, an alcoholic with 2 days sober. i'm going to a face to face meeting tomorrow which i've been setting out to do for quite some time now but always wind up drinking before i get there. i've been following this meeting for these 2 days and i think it's wonderful to get help through you all this way - i know i will get to that meeting before i decide to take another drink. thanks for listening.


Member: Mary K
Location: Boston (Raynham)
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 9:17:41 PM

Comments

Hi all! Mary, alcy

Good topic. I agree with Von in Ohio that there are MANY different ways to carry the message: by sponsorship, being a greeter at a meeting, going on 12 step calls, continuously showing up at meetings through thick and thin, living the 12 steps TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY each and every day. I was told long ago that now that I am sober through the Grace of God and the fellowship of AA I have also been given a huge responsibility....I may be the only copy of the Big Book that a person ever sees.

Love to all, Mary


Member: RHONDA
Location: K.
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 10:05:18 PM

Comments

Hi Rhonda, alcoholic. Great topic. I just wanted to post and say I'm staying sober with Gods help and AA. This is a great program if you have thewillingness. Thanks.


Member: Willf
Location:
Date: 3/5/01
Time: 11:10:08 PM

Comments

I am a drunk and have been sober for two whole days. Do find a lot of positive wisdom on this site but also have to start going to meetings. I now have the desire and willingness to do the program. Realize that only with Gods help will i succeeddddd.


Member: Margaret C.
Location: Texas
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 12:43:25 AM

Comments

Hi y'all. my name is margaret and i'm an alcoholic and addict. i just discovered this site. i've been clean & sober for quite a few years now, by the grace of God, but i haven't been to a physical meeting in several years. i also got tired of the same old stuff. it is good to make contact with other alkies, though. rama s. - the self esteem comes with time. there's alot to deal with when you first sober up. so, please, give youself time &, if possible, talk to a professional counsler or, if not that, your sponsor. if i can be of help, let me know. if you don't have a sponsor, i strongly suggest you find one. find someone who won't baby you along & will tell it to you straight & honestly. someone you trust and respect. thanks for listening to me ramble on. i hope i've been a little help anyway.


Member: Tamara T.
Location: Yakima, WA
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 1:56:31 AM

Comments

Hi, my name is Tamara T. and I am an alcoholic/addict/anything I can get a hold of. I just found this site also. I have been in the program since April 25, 1997 (looking at four years). I really like that topic about about "different ways to carry the message". I know for myself, I thought that if I told m family how good the program was, they would just automaticly beleive me. I had to find out that my actions spoke louder than words. Now my brother is in the program and so is my sister-in-law. My mom is still actively in her disease but one of these days she will see. All I can do is hope that my actions will one day convince her that there is a better way. I go to meetings almost everyday and I pray that one day she will come with me. I thank God for AA.


Member: Jack B
Location: Palo Alto, Pa
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 2:15:43 AM

Comments

Hi I am Jack, a real alcoholic.Carrying the message, great topic. I am a firm believer that the only message an alcoholic carries to another alcoholic is the message of hope.There are many, many ways of carrying the message.Going to meetings, and sharing when asked.Getting involved with a home group.Putting something if you have it in the collection so groups can continue purchasing AA approved literature. To me the greatest way of carrying the message is to direct our sponsees, necomers, etc to the Big Book and the steps.The answer to all our life's problems can be addressed by theI steps. The Big Book is our unquestioned message of hope, it is our Bible.We need to remember that when we carry the message that we are only messengers of the Big Book, not its author.Thanks for allowing me to share and God Bless all.


Member: Pam B
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 10:31:36 AM

Comments

Hi, I'm Pam, an alcoholic, I agree to all the various ways we carry the message. Even being a greeter welcoming someone newer than you coming through the door. They can relax and identify with someone staying sober only a few weeks than someone sober for years. The message we carry is sharing OUR OWN Experience, Strength & Hope (ES&H) - what it was like, what happened, and what it is like now. We cannot pass on what we do not have, so we can only share as much as we've personally experienced so far in our growing in sobriety. Getting through all 12 Steps with our sponsor gives us the full experience of the full 12 steps message. We then have it pass it on, we live it to attract others by the power of our example. Pam


Member: Pestilence 4 U
Location: Fellowship
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 11:49:27 AM

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"...Then He said to them nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and in various places there will be GREAT EARTHQUAKES (India, El Salvador, Seattle, etc.), and famines, and PESTILENCES (such as shown below)! There will also be fearful sights and great signs from heaven!!" Luke 21:10,11

West Nile Virus - Are Coastal Residents in Harm’s Way?

by Cheryl Lane

Several residents of New York recently died from a rare form of encephalitis caused by the West Nile virus. Since then, the West Nile virus has been all over the news, causing a scare up and down the East Coast. Residents want to know a number of things: what is the West Nile virus, who is at risk, and how can it be prevented?

West Nile encephalitis is an infection of the brain caused by West Nile virus, a flavivirus commonly found in Africa, West Asia, and the Middle East. It is closely related to St. Louis encephalitis, which is found in the United States. Mild infections of West Nile encephalitis include such symptoms as fever, headache, and body aches, often accompanied by skin rashes or swollen lymph glands. More severe infections are marked by headache, high fever, neck stiffness, stupor, disorientation, occasional convulsions, paralysis, and in rare cases, death. The mortality rate of West Nile encephalitis ranges from 3% to 15%; fatalities are more likely in elderly patients.

The West Nile virus has commonly been found in humans and birds in Africa, Eastern Europe, West Asia, and the Middle East. There were no cases of West Nile encephalitis reported in the United States before September of 1999. Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention believe that the virus has probably been in the eastern United States for at least several months, although how it got here is still under investigation. Basically, the transmission cycle is simple. First, mosquitoes contract the virus by feeding on birds infected with the West Nile virus. Infected mosquitoes then transmit the virus to humans and animals when taking a meal. West Nile encephalitis is not transmitted from person to person, and there is no evidence that it can be transmitted directly from birds to people.

On September 24, the CDC announced the isolation and identification of the West Nile virus from birds collected in New York City. The risk in New York City is greatly reduced because of effective mosquito control and public education. However, the risk will not be completely over until New York reaches freezing temperatures and mosquito season is over. No other areas have been put on alert, but the possibility should not be ruled out. There is no vaccine for West Nile virus; however, there are many steps that can be taken to reduce the risk of infection.

Steps To Avoid Infection: 1. Stay indoors at dawn and dusk and in the early evening. 2. Wear long-sleeved shirts and long pants whenever you go outdoors. 3. Apply insect repellent sparingly to exposed skin. 4. Spray clothing with repellents containing DEET, as mosquitoes may bite through thin clothing. 5. Whenever using an insect repellent, be sure to read and follow the manufacturer’s instructions.

Vitamin B and “ultrasonic” devices are NOT effective in preventing mosquito bites. An effective insect repellent should contain 20% to 30% DEET. DEET in high concentrations may cause side effects, particularly in children. Also, repellents may irritate eyes and mouth, so avoid applying them to the hands of small children. Insect repellents should not be applied to children less than three years of age.

The recent outbreak of West Nile encephalitis was confined to New York, so for the most part other coastal areas are safe from harm’s way. However, since the source of the outbreak is still unknown, all areas with high concentrations of mosquitoes seasonally should be aware of the possibilities and protect themselves. For more information on West Nile encephalitis, check out the CDC website at http://www.cdc.gov.

Contrary to popular beliefs this affects AA people too!!


Member: Fred M
Location: MD
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 12:03:32 PM

Comments

I'm Fred and I'm an alcoholic, sober today by the grace of God and the fellowship of AA. I've been sober a long time, but the 12th step tells me that I have a duty to carry the word to others. I do this at work with people who are not alcoholics so they will be more compassionate when they come across one of us in their lives. I do it by going to meetings and trying to share how I got sober and what life is like today. I do it by talking to my fellow alcoholics before and after meetings to see how they are doing and to show them I love them. I try to live honestly with the people in my life, and I try to do what I am supposed to do. I try to recognize when I have screwed up and make ammends as soon as possible. This shows people I'm trying to improve. When asked to do things in AA, like lead a meeting, I try to treat the request like it is God asking me, because I believe that is true. I do all of these things because they help me stay sober, help my recovery, and help me be closer to my higher power. Thanks for letting me share. Love, Fred


Member: Patrick M
Location: NH
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 2:17:51 PM

Comments

Hi I'm new to this but frankly I only drank once a week, but used pot often and that has gotten me in this. I have been sober since July 2000 from pot and Oct 28/29 from alcohol. I don't believe all messeges from AA but some do help. I believe it has to come from yourself rather than another source or god. If you don't want to do something your not going to do it. But if you want to than you will and you will be sucessful in doing so. Well that's all so GOOD LUCK to all.


Member: AZbill
Location: Arizona
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 6:02:06 PM

Comments

HI, Bill here, alcoholic from Sierra Vista, AZ. Carrying the message has had a significant impact on my sobriety. This very moment, I am carrying the message.

Some years ago I was on the phone list in the Denver metro area and covering the town of Lafayette, CO. You call the Denver Central Office, They would call me. I would call you. Over the length of time I was doing that, I made hundreds of calls. I had a 100% success rate. I didn't drink. I am still on the 12 Step list here in Arizona and still maintain that 100% success rate. :)

There are so many ways to carry the message. A lot has been already discussed. No sense in repeating. I will say this. I carry the AA message, not Bill Smith's message. This is not about how I got sober, it is about how WE get sober and stay that way. I keep my egotistical self out of it as much as possible. I do not tell you how to work the Steps, I show you how to work the Steps and document it with the Big Book. Yep I am a thumper. :)

I have spoken at treatment centers, but I make it very clear that I am an alcoholic and I will only talk about recovery from alcoholism as outlined in Alcoholic Anonymous.

I have spoken at Speaker's Meetings and Roundups and Conventions. I address the meeting as a whole, but at the same time I try to make eye contact with the newcomers in attendance. When they call for newcomers, I try to remember who raised their hands and what they have said. When I reach an appropriate point in my talk, I will make that eye contact. Try to address a point they have made. Make that newcomer feel the special person he/she is. Make them feel welcome and that we really do care.

I work one on one. I do email. I sponsor. I carry the message. Thank you all who shared before me for being a part of my sobriety today

Bill..

az-bill@primenet.com


Member: Joanne H.
Location: Virginia
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 6:30:48 PM

Comments

Hi my name is Joanne and I am an alcoholic. I have ignored yhe teachings of AA for many years and although abstainent for nearly 20 odd years I now know for me AA is the only way and on a regular basis. Memebers of AA spread the word in that an alcoholic knows where he/she can always go for support and most of all understanding. I am now one day in recovery and life is calm.


Member: Anonymous
Location:
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 8:11:29 PM

Comments

Of the different ways to carry the message, I believe the judge is the best 12 stepper in or around AA. Tis he that keeps the newcomer coming back. Don't think there is any need for ought else seeing that more now than we can handle. Sad it may be to some and even I get a bit compassionate toward them but we must all come to believe sooner or later in the sobriety thereof. The legal system has so many coming and going out of AA nowadays I can't but think it will continue if things stay the way they are. Court paper after court paper do I see as the main source of carrying the message that can and will make a difference if they begin to understand that God could and would ifin He were sought....


Member: Tnt@aol.com
Location: Nebr.
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 8:38:08 PM

Comments

Well here Iam trying to get sober, sobered up for almost 30 days, last night drank some wine. Im very angry about that,went to treatment 12yrs. ago, maybe I need to go back because I cant stay sober for a length of time.


Member: Tnt@aol.com
Location: Nebr.
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 8:38:13 PM

Comments

Well here Iam trying to get sober, sobered up for almost 30 days, last night drank some wine. Im very angry about that,went to treatment 12yrs. ago, maybe I need to go back because I cant stay sober for a length of time.


Member: tee-he-he
Location:
Date: 3/6/01
Time: 10:03:55 PM

Comments

you fool!!!!!!!!!!!!


Member: Mike A
Location: TX
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 12:26:57 AM

Comments

My name is Mike, and I'm an alcoholic. WOW, there's alot of newbies on the boards this week ... congratulations to all of you - at least you made it this far! One day at a time & keep coming back. As for sharing the message, I think Drew is right - our actions are important. I think we share not only our experience, strength and hope in these meeting rooms (is this still a "room"?), but even more importantly to the alcoholic who is still out there struggling. Whenever someone reaches out, the hand of AA should be there, extended through you and me.


Member: Phil   DOS 3-14-95
Location: dayton
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 6:21:10 AM

Comments

Tnt, you are carrying the message- to me. Thank you for reminding me of the pain, misery, and suffering that goes along with this disease. I need that reminder periodically (daily?). Six years out and I think "maybe it wasn't so bad. I couldn't have been that miserable could I?" That is why I "keep coming back" to AA; for the reminders. Thank you for being here for me. And please get to some meetings. If you are a problem drinker like me then you are right, YOU can't stay sober for any length of time without help.

Please read the first few paragraphs of the third chapter in the Big Book of AA and see if any of it applies to you. That's when the light kinda came on for me, when I first read this chapter a few weeks dry. I didn't really get "sober", the thought that maybe I can actually lick this thing, until about the 9th step (with my sponser).

Good luck. You will be in my prayers. Have a great day ODAAT


Member: Miriam T. Watts
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 6:56:12 AM

Comments

carrying the message...drinking is NOT being a fool, its what were supposed to do. Everyday we don't we carry the message that by the grace of GOD and this program we are a walking talking miracle. Keep coming back, follow the suggestions like 90 meetings in 90 days, get and utilize a sponsor, work the steps with your sponsor. Get a home group, register and get a job in your home group. Things won't get better, but you will. Take these suggestions from someone who had 8 years dry time and made a conscious decision twice to do it my way. Had to admit not only was I an alcoholic but had to ACCEPT it. Just celebrated 13 months of quality sobriety because I took all the suggestions I just suggested and to me thats carring the message. Email me if you like, love to communicate with other alkies at: menoo_jag@email.com:)


Member: Gail
Location:
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 8:43:26 AM

Comments

This is a great topic carrying the message. I want to welcome all the newcomers and say, keep coming back! That was the best message I got in the beginning. I also heard this on an AA tape - self - esteem comes from doing esteemable acts. That helped me.

A few days ago, I was working and someone I was working with and I started talking. She reminded me a lot of where I used to be before I got sober. I was able to tell her, you can be happy, joyous and free. And she was able to remind me of what I used to be like. I had some tears of sadness about how I used to be but a lot more tears of gratitude. I felt that I carried the message and it felt good.

Thanks everyone for helping me stay sober.


Member: pat Dyer
Location: orlando
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 12:30:07 PM

Comments

Just take one day at a time , don't get overwhelmed. Stay involved with god people that give you stregnth.


Member: patti D
Location: Orlando
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 12:36:21 PM

Comments

Keep fpcused and keep company with people who are a positive influence in your lives. Take one day at a time.


Member: oj smpson
Location:
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 1:16:11 PM

Comments

i have worms


Member: Black Horse!!
Location: HA! HA!
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 2:38:23 PM

Comments

"And the merchants of the earth weep and grieve over her, because no one buys their merchandise any more!!" Rev 18:11

Wednesday March 7, 2:01 pm Eastern Time

Investors on Edge Awaiting Yahoo! News

By Andrea Orr

PALO ALTO, Calif. (Reuters) - Trading in Internet media company Yahoo Inc. (NasdaqNM:YHOO - news) was halted on Wednesday as investors awaited a company announcement, with speculation ranging from a possible earnings warning to an acquisition, a partnership or a management shake-up.

The shares were halted soon after Nasdaq opened on Wednesday because of ``news pending.'' Yahoo declined to comment on the nature of its announcement, set for 2 p.m. (5 p.m. EST).

Yahoo's stock last traded at $21, down 1-3/8 on the day before it was halted. The shares are nearly 90 percent off their 52-week high of $205-5/8.

There was no shortage of speculation, however. Like most Internet media businesses, Yahoo has seen its stock price collapse in recent months while facing a tougher market for online advertising, the biggest source of its revenues.

Because the online advertising market continues to deteriorate, some analysts speculated Yahoo could be about to lower earnings or revenue guidance like so many of its peer companies have done. However, they said it would be unusual for such a routine announcement to be delayed for so long.

Four hours after the stock was halted, investors were still awaiting word from the company.

``We're all in suspense,'' said Safa Rashtchy, an Internet media analyst for U.S. Bancorp Piper Jaffray. ``I think a pre-announcement (about financial results) is pretty likely, although that shouldn't take this long to be released.''

Another possibility was that Yahoo would announce some kind of acquisition or partnership, he said.

Speculation also remained strong that Yahoo could be about to announce some changes in its management structure. The company has recently lost a number of top managers in its overseas operations and there have long been rumors that one or more of its top U.S. executives could be readying to leave,

As Yahoo transitions from a company deriving business from other dot-com companies to one that must court the largest corporations, some analysts have said it would need to bring in more experienced management.

Some sources speculate that one of the most likely candidates to announce a departure was Yahoo President Jeff

Mallet, one of the company's earliest hires.

``If I had to guess who was likely to leave, I would guess Mallet,'' said an analyst who asked not to be identified. ``He's extremely intelligent and capable, but at this point they may need more seasoned management.''

Another way to carry the message!!


Member: Joy C.
Location: NV
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 3:35:01 PM

Comments

Hi I'm Joy and I am an alcoholic. I attend a morning daily reflections meeting and am looking for a particular answer...or comments rather. This morning someone shared about carrying the message to other alcoholics. They said that as members of AA we should always introduce ourselves as alcoholics not addicts or having the desire to stop drinking. They stated that this concept is the foundation of the program and any variance to this concept will KILL the program. I am here because I have the desire to live life on life's terms without drinking. I attend meetings and listen to what other alcoholics have done (good and bad) and try to live carrying concepts that I have learned through meetings, reading, and asking questions. A newcomer left the meeting this morning saying that AA has two many rules and will probably not return. How can I carry the message to other alcoholics without turning them off just as this newcomer was turned off this morning?? Thank you.....


Member: LeAnn W.
Location: Idaho
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 4:45:19 PM

Comments

Hi everyone, My name is LeAnn and I am an alcoholic. I like the topic of carrying the message. I have read a lot of wonderful things. I agree with many of you that there are so very many ways to carry our message to those still suffering. I also, am a firm believer in the Responsibilty Declaration. I also believe that for our actions to speak clearly we need to first be true to ourselves. Only by being true to myself can I show you by my actions this wonderful program, that by God's Grace I have been given a chance to live. To those of you who are new to sobriety, regardless of whether or not you are new to AA, Thank you for sharing. Please, Keep coming back. Get to meetings.Find a sponsor. Read The Big Book. And lastly, what I was told when I first came, Don't drink, even if your ass falls off, and if your ass should fall off, pick it up, take it to a meeting and someone there will glue it back on. There ain't nothing a drink is gonna make better. You CAN do this and you are NEVER alone. To Joy; In my opinion,there isn't a perfect way to carry the message. There is always going to be someone who leaves a meeting or a discussion because something angered them or they don't agree with. Those times are sad, but the bottom line is that is their stuff. I am not responsible for how anyone interprets my message or anyone elses. The very best I can do is, once again, to be true to myself. I carry the message to the best of my ability. Somedays it's great, somedays it ain't. But it is always the best I can do today.


Member: Per A
Location: Sweden
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 5:35:02 PM

Comments

Carrying the message... Sometimes you feel that you done that too long, too much without really meaning it in your heart. It's easy to say the words, both in meetings and in contacts with other AA people, but sometimes I feel that I fool myself, that I'm not honest with myself. I have therefore returned to basics, and after some heavy relapses, I've gone back to treatement. However, the treatment, even if it is based on AA philosophy, it takes so much time so I can't go to regular meetings. It is therefore good to be able to sit here in the dark and communicate with others in the same situation.


Member: Bill M
Location: Southeast Georgia
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 5:38:54 PM

Comments

Bill, Alcoholic

Jeff, Northrern Cal - Thank you. If anyone is looking for sober, roll back up,and read it, it's worth it. I just get so tired of the bull shit that come from some of these self rightous, do gooders with egos that need a drink. Being sober is the best thing that has ever happened to me. Black Horse please "Go Forth". Oh yes I would be the last to say that I was a copy of the Big Book, a lot of other things maybe, but not the Big Book. Remember you smug hypocrites, no preachers. Sounds like some of you may need to listen for a while. We already have plenty bleeding deacons,and getting away from preachers was just one of the wonderful things that comes with getting sober. I may have some misplaced anger, but not anymore. Thank you


Member: Pitsy N
Location: Ks.
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 7:30:47 PM

Comments

I'm Pitsy I am a alcholic. I have been SOBER for 49 days. It takes alot of work but each day gets a little easier. Just remember O.D.A.T. (One Day At A Time) Go to as many meetings as possible. If you don't think you need a meeting then you most likely do so go. Talk to someone before you drink. It always helps. Remember LET GO LET GOD. I can't He can Let Him. I have been drunk for 21 years. Life was the shits and wasn't getting any better till I decided to get help. Or lose my job plus my life. It was the best thing I can say I've done and not regret it. There is alot of us out here. And so many more that is still suffering and we need to pray for them. Good Luck Mike and A.K. You can do it. God Bless you all and thanks for being here for me. To Stay Sober is Just Don't Pick Up That First Drink.


Member: Margaret C.
Location: TX
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 7:47:48 PM

Comments

hi,i'm margaret and i'm an alcoholic with 18 1/2 yrs sobriety. i want to thank all of you for bringing the msg to me once again. somtimes i get cocky because of the amt of time i have in the program and listening to all of you has reminded me that i didn't do it all by myself. it took long hours of meetings and listening to and hearing other sober alcoholics and realizing that there really is a power greater than myself and that's alcohol.


Member: Margaret C.
Location: TX
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 7:52:51 PM

Comments

margaret c. again i just want to share with y'all my favorite 24hr a day book page. january 6: "keeping sober is the most important thing in my life. the most important decision i ever made was my decision to give up drinking." thanks for listening(reading).


Member: Linda C.
Location: Winnipeg,Manitoba
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 9:03:42 PM

Comments

Hi everyone. My name is Linda and I am an alcoholic. Different ways to carry the message is a good topic. Since the program was given to me freely,I am responsible to carrying the message to the still suffering alcoholic. I do this by being at the meetings and sharing, welcoming newcomers and visitors, helping with setting up and cleaning up after a meeting,doing 12 step work, answering phones,and doing other service work in A.A. I also believe in carrying the message outside of A.A. I try to apply the 12 traditions and 12 steps to the best of my ability,in my personal life and with all people.


Member: Gene B
Location: Mo.
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 10:22:22 PM

Comments

HI everyone my name is Gene I am new to the program but I do have 6 months sober. I would like to thank everone for all the comments It's made for some very good reading.I do attend meetings on a regular bisis,and I know THE PROGRAM WORKS if you let it. Thank you for your time


Member: ROO
Location:
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 10:46:31 PM

Comments

GOD AA , TRADITIONS, STEPS, HAVE BEEN MY REASONS THAT I LOVE TO LIVE SOBER DONT WANT TO BE MISERABLE DIDNT GET SOBER TO FEEL LIKE SHIT WITH OUT,BOOZE AND DRUGS,I CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THE SOLUTION BECAUSE THERE IS ONE NOT CURE BUT SOLUTION AND LIVE FREE OF SELF CENTERNESS HAVE O GOOD DAY TO ALL)))))


Member: Donna
Location:
Date: 3/7/01
Time: 11:59:38 PM

Comments

Hi, everyone. Reading these posts have been a tremendous help to me this evening. I was going to go to an earlier mtg tonight but I thought it was more important to spend time with my 4 small kids. Sometimes I get lost in trying to balance AA mtgs and my responsibilities at home. Thank you all for carrying the message to me tonight. How relaxing it is to sit back and read such positive thoughts. When I came into AA, I was a screwed up mess. A few women I met would give of themselves and listen to me go on and on and on at the most desperate time in my life. They would reassure me that everything was going to be allright if I didn't drink. They used to say situations may not get better---but you will. If you want what we have you will do what we did. They did not demand---just made suggestions. Whatever I was going through, they always referred back to the steps or the Big Book. Unconditional love is what they gave me and they loved me until I could love myself. So I try to do exactly whats been done for me. Thanks for being here.


Member: Donna
Location:
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 12:03:26 AM

Comments

Hi, everyone. Reading these posts have been a tremendous help to me this evening. I was going to go to an earlier mtg tonight but I thought it was more important to spend time with my 4 small kids. Sometimes I get lost in trying to balance AA mtgs and my responsibilities at home. Thank you all for carrying the message to me tonight. How relaxing it is to sit back and read such positive thoughts. When I came into AA, I was a screwed up mess. A few women I met would give of themselves and listen to me go on and on and on at the most desperate time in my life. They would reassure me that everything was going to be allright if I didn't drink. They used to say situations may not get better---but you will. If you want what we have you will do what we did. They did not demand---just made suggestions. Whatever I was going through, they always referred back to the steps or the Big Book. Unconditional love is what they gave me and they loved me until I could love myself. So I try to do exactly whats been done for me. Thanks for being here.


Member: Joe D.
Location: Phoenix
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 12:37:15 AM

Comments

I'm Joe, an alcoholic from Phoenix, but I'm on a business trip to LA. I'm glad I find this on-line meeting. I wasn't able to get to a real meeting tonight; too much business. But this on-line format makes me feel I'm conntected to all of you. I have to carry the message because it was given to me freely; no strings. And I feel when I'm talking to other AA's that's the only time I'm doing something that's not selfish. But the meetings and you people keep me sober. Tomorrow I have to present a technical paper to a big conference; over 100 people and the old fears are still there. But I also know I've studied and I'm well prepared; as long as I leave it in God's hands it will turn out the best. Thanks for being here.

Joe D.


Member: DonF
Location: NH
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 10:07:47 AM

Comments

Listen to learn. Speak to get well. The message is carried in meetings, as long as you show up. Plus, you just never know when you will get a chance to carry the message outside meetings. Last week, I was in the hospital a couple of days, and the guy in the next bed was really hosed up by cancer of the throat. Couldn't eat, had to "insert diet". Admitted it was aggravated by drinking and cigarettes. We talked about it a lot, and he had freinds in The Program. Left him a copy of The Grapevine. Picked up a hitchhiker, (yeah I know you gotta be careful) and he allowed as how he was off the road 3 mo. due to DUI. Had been to a couple of meetings over the years, so knew he had a problem. Gave him my number in case he wanted a ride to a meeting. Simple practical stuff.


Member: Red Eagle
Location: Earth
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 10:11:31 AM

Comments

Hi,,,I drink everyday and would rather not...Spebt 10 years trying to get sober in AA but could not stay sober. I don't really want to come back, none of the "friends" I met in AA stuck by me, who can blame them tho? I can't go back to the same meetings, so I thought maybe I'd find something online, and maybe by some miracle, sobriety will happen. I can't imagine how tho. Right now, I drink every day, at home, I don't drive when I drink or go to bars. Live in a small town where everybody knows your business so I won't go to meetings in town. I think my problem is just finding the motivation to overcome the fear. Thanks for letting me have a say. I'll keep checking in to see what's being posted.


Member: Mary C.
Location: fairfield, CT
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 11:57:41 AM

Comments

((Suzi))- i'm also in Fairfield... if you read this, please email me at tocker99@hotmail.com. I'm fairly new to this site, and definitely new to seriously wanting to quit. Thanks everyone for being here. mary


Member: tony g
Location: ma
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 12:27:38 PM

Comments

i'm around alot of "functioning" alcoholcs often.i can't preach to them,i won't preach ,but,when any of them get's serious enough to ask some questions i'll be glad to guide them to aa's halls.the thing is that they seem content with their lifestyle..so i just mind my business.sometimes when i speak to people my "drunkalog" comes out and i end by saying thank God i don't have to go through that again.maybe i will peek someones curiousity enough to want to ask how i do it.anyway could i extend my self to people more? probably...but i'm here ,staying sober ,living one day at a time.....thanks,i'm tony an alcoholic


Member: janey
Location: Tewksbury Mass
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 2:45:30 PM

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Member: Per A
Location:
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 4:54:03 PM

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Help! I know all the tricks, I know all the buzz words, I've been a phony all my life. The fact that I've never being honest to myself takes me to a rather low level. I've started drinking again after many months of sobreity. I've been to treatement centers of various kinds, I've been to all the good (and some bad) AA meetings. Can somebody give me a hint of what to do without using any of the standard selection of phrases? If so, you are an angel!


Member: BilliJo
Location: Chinook
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 5:24:54 PM

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Carring the message. First, WHAT message? As someone posted earlier, the message of HOPE. Hope for a life that is not full of emotional pain, fear, self-loathing, etc.. How? By being 'there' for people. I'm not much of a big book thumper, but when reading it with my sponsor, one passage hit me h a r d! pg 102 "Your job now is to be at the place where you may be of maximum helpfulness to others, so never hesitate to go anywhere if you can be helpful." So, I endeavor to be helpful to others, both in and out of AA. I give rides to people to meetings, I've given food and carpet, I've given my phone number, and shared my experiences. Many times people just need someone to care, to show them that there is a 'different' life out there that is wonderfully better than the life of drinking. I've read and heard at 'old timer' meetings that in 'the old days' members would drive many miles for a meeting, drive many miles to go get 'a wet one' and take them to a treatment center or to a meeting, feed them, house them, CARE for them. Whatever it take to help

Welcome to all those with such a short amount of sobriety!


Member: Paul C
Location: long island NY
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 7:14:04 PM

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My name is paul and I'm an alcoholic. I really need a meeting. You know, I'm in that same spot I've been in many times before. At the bottom. they seem to get deeper and deeper each time I leave the program and try to stay sober "my way" you now what "my way" doesn't work, I cannot get or stay sober by myself. I need to get humble, get back to the rooms and let AA get me sober. I forget that this is a we program. and I need so much to let others in to help me help myself. 5 years+ in and out. Time to surrender. just needed to hear myself say it. god bless


Member: carol A.
Location: springfield,Illinois
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 7:54:41 PM

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I used to avoid any situatiion that included drinking, now I do not, now I am strong enough to sit out in my yard having a cookout and the may drink if they choose, I did have to make it clear to a few that it is a choiceand I choose sobriety. But I have been sober for over 7 years now,and its only tea or soda no NAbeer or anything like that. But I found that I must work at not having a holier that thou attitude. So I usually stay focused by knowing or saying I would love to join but I know I can not because I made a choice a descion to myself and my family.Some have asked if it is hard, and I answer truthfully until you commit to the 12 steps yes it is after that each day for the rest of your life it is a success. God bless to all. Heyu


Member: HIPOLITO R.
Location: CHI-TOWN
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 8:31:55 PM

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hi i'm Hipolito alcoholic ,sober today only by the grace of God ,and the fellowship of the AA program i'd like to welcome all the new comers you are the most inportant people here we carry the message in many ways not only to help others but to help ourselves we give back what was given to us free a gift of life the will i did not have and and i know i could have not done this without my higher power or i wouldn't be here so keep coming back because sometimes we don't even realize that the miracle is happening thanks


Member: vick s.
Location:
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 9:21:22 PM

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the halls of medicine.................


Member: Joey G
Location: Spfld Il
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 10:25:18 PM

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If we all listen we might just hear something other than ourselves.If we all look we may just see ourselves in that person we are listening too.Identify and stop, so we dont crusify. Carry the message not the messanger.


Member: Margaret C.
Location: Texas
Date: 3/8/01
Time: 11:39:01 PM

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Hi. I'm Margaret and I'm an alcoholic. To Red Eagle you will get sober when you are ready. I used to think like you do that I couldn't let anyone see me go to an AA meeting to get sober but then it was pointed out to me that it never mattered to me if they saw me go to a bar (or stay home) to get drunk. Anyway you must be wanting to do something about your drinking or you wouldn't be here and you wouldn't participate. Keep coming back. Eventually it does work if you want it to. Thanks for reading this and good luck, man.


Member: annie k.
Location: blue ridge mts.
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 12:03:21 AM

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Carrying the message is a great topic. It was a nudge from the judge that sent me sprawling into AA and the message of hope and serenity were the things that kept me coming back. I was a chronic alcoholic for 25+ years and if this thing can work for me (Mike and AK and Per) it can work for you. My sobriety date is 6/12/90. I am one of those walking miracles...and the people who know me, know this. The real deal is this: I had to want to be sober more than I wanted to be drunk. Booze was never the solution I deluded myself into believing it was,it was a temporary escape from the crap of my life. Fear is the motivating factor in my life...until I realized that,I just stayed on the hamster wheel. The bad news was that booze never changed the crap going on in my life, except to possibly make things worse from time to time. We're not bad people wanting to get good, someone told me, we're just sick people wanting to get well. Once I turned off the ass-kicking machine, I had an unobliterated view of the tragedies in my life. I had good excuses for drinking, but eventually I had even better ones for not drinking. I deserve a better life than that. Sobriety gives me that. I get tools for dealing with the harsh realities and I get love and support when I'm sick of Dealing. I get some pretty basic instructions for living in that big blue book. I've done lots of what they call service since I came through these doors. The joke's on them--I was the one that got all the benefits of anything I ever tried to do for anyone else. Every little step I took, every little coffee cup I washed, every hotline call I answered,every time I shared, every time I listened... I grew a little more. I became a litle more teachable, a little more loveable, a little more respectable. My sponsor used to say "If your Big Book's falling apart, you're probably not." There is a solution.


Member: Chuck M.
Location: Olympia WA
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 1:20:05 AM

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The problem in carrying the message isn't the message. The message is simple enough. (1) Your problem is egoism. (Selfishness - Self centeredness (Big Book, pg. 62) (2) You need to opt for humility and let attitudes of honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness to be moved towards that humility lead you there. (First page of step 7 in 12&12). (3) Where will I discover the kind of thinking which I can use honesty, open-mindednes, and willingness upon in order to be moved towards Humility? The first sentence of Step 5, 12&12 states: All of A.A.'s Twelve Steps ask us to go contrary to our natural desires . . . they all deflate our egos. So the very simple message becomes, If you are in enough pain so that you are willing to surrender to the steps of the AA program, making them the most important part of your life and changing all your old ways of thinking to agree with the principles contained within them, you will not only be able to stay sober, but you will continue to feel better sober than you used to feel drinking and will come to realize that you have been freed from the need for something rather than having had to give something up. That's the message. There's no problem in carrying it. The problem is finding someone who is full of sufficient mental anguish as a result of seeking happiness through alcohol abuse that they are finally willing to go to any lengths to get freed from that mental anguish. No-one will pick up on a program for living which goes counter to his natural desires until the agony of a daily mental anguish combines with a more reasonable view of life to convict him of a need to change himself. That's why the "keep coming back" is so important. I've known members who had a shoe box full of white chips (figuratively and exaggeratedly speaking, of course) before that magic moment of total surrender took hold; The bottom finely hit, the pain finally overwhelming, the willingness finally total.

Blessings, Chuck


Member: Mark B
Location: Eielson AFB, AK
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 2:32:42 AM

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Mark, alcoholic. Yeah baby, I got my iBook, we be up and rocking people. Carrying the message? I was told by my old sponsor before I was sent to Amsterdam that my primary purpose was, and is, to: "Comfort the disturbed, and disturb those in comfort." I share my experiance, strength, and hope. I hate hearing advice in meetings, just like I hate to read it in here. That's why I have a sponsor, to get advice and direction. Oh yeah, I just found out that for my last assignment in the Air Force, I'm being sent to Grand Forks AFB in North Dakota. Need meeting info for the area. Thanks

Mark


Member: Daisy
Location: UK
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 8:06:30 AM

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I'm Daisy and I'm at college. I know all about AA because my Mom was an alcoholic and my Dad is a recovering alcoholic 25 years sober. This is the first time I have looked for any kind of help, so its a good topic to find. I drink too much, I know, and reading all your words sounds supportive, but its a daunting message. I cant contribute I'm afraid, I've never been to a meeting and dont know what to say. Except I drink too much and should stop. I cant make myself type 'want to' in that sentence - so perhaps I shouldn't be here yet? Reading these messages has made the last half hour better. Thankyou.


Member: Perry G.
Location: CA
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 11:33:36 AM

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Perry here and alcoholic.

Daisy, if you are feeling comfortable with the thought processes of AA, and can relate to the experience, strenght, and hope of those who offer this, then you may wish to check out a face to face meeting. I did not identify myself as an alcoholic for the first 10 meetings I went to, as I was unsure. I just got a sense that AA was the right place for me, and I wanted a solution in my life as an alternative to drinking. If you have a problem with alocohol, you've come to the right place. Just remember, on-line chat rooms or postings are not a complete answer.

Best wishes on your journey!


Member: PG Again
Location: CA
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 11:44:18 AM

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In addition to the last post, Red Eagle, if you truly want it you can have it. I met a guy who had 4 years, went out, and stayed out. A month ago his wife divoriced him for his drinking, he picked up 5 DUIs in 2 weeks, got in a bad wreck, did not eat for 4 days (only drank), and ended up in medical ICU for 2 weeks, got out, drank the next day and went to jail for 3 years. I saw him the day before he went to jail and he had blood pouring out of both corners of his mouth. I told him the same thing, "you can have it if you want it." I have some hope from him, he took my Big Book and said, "this has to stop, and gave me a hug before he left."

Alcoholism is a progressive and fatal disease, but there is a way out, If I want it. Faith enough!


Member: tony g
Location: ma
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 12:15:06 PM

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daisy,to just show -up is to contribute,you don't have to say anything,just listen.like they say ...learn to listen..and listen to learn.you can do it!!! let us all know how you did....i had to double post,tony,alcoholic


Member: rokin my life away
Location: lookin for a better way
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 12:17:11 PM

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i want to rock around the clock tonite,rock rock,rock until broad daylite.


Member: rokin my life away
Location: lookin for a better way
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 12:17:17 PM

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i want to rock around the clock tonite,rock rock,rock until broad daylite.


Member: rokin my life away
Location: lookin for a better way
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 12:17:23 PM

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i want to rock around the clock tonite,rock rock,rock until broad daylite.


Member: les i
Location: SD
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 3:42:05 PM

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I was told 40 plus years ago, that if you didn't give someone the chance to puke on your shoes, you don't know what AA is


Member: Gary G
Location: ALASKA
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 5:56:34 PM

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My name is Gary and I'm an alcholic, With the help God and the people in these rooms I've not found it necessary to have a drink for 19 years 10 months and 17 days and for that I am truly grateful. This web site is great. I look at this web site as still another tool to help us in recovery. To Joy C from Nevada, you can carry the message but you can not carry the alcholic. You seem to have a good heart and thats comendable to care about our fellow suffering alcholics. I always suggest to people to try to keep the program fresh and interesting. For example I'll mix it up a little, Sunday morning I'll go to a speaker meeting then alot of us go out and eat breakfast. On thursday I go to a mens stag meeting, there I can address things that I cant in a mixed meeting. Saturday I'm a secretary at a very large meeting there I do my service work and in the summer because its a noon meeting after the meeting we go for a motorcycle ride eat lunch. Just good old fashion sober fun. In 1995, one of my dreams came true I got a Harley Davidson and I ride it when ever I can, sober fun again. A newcomer asked me about my motor cycle he said " how did you ever get that " and I said " Its 4,000 drinks I didn't have ". Per A I think you and I are the same distance from the north pole. I have to take my daughter down to motor vechiles now to take her driving test. Shes all excited. Nice hearing from everyone.


Member: Bob S.
Location: Salt Lake
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 8:30:13 PM

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Hey Mark B. from Eielson AFB, AK: Try these...www.gmarchand.com....www.soberspace.com/#ND and the contack for AA: Fargo-Moorehead Intergroup, P.O. Box #3121, Fargo, ND 58108-3121..PH: 701-235-7335. That's as good as I can find. Good luck and G~d be with you. Bob


Member: LINDA B
Location: OHIO
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 9:11:58 PM

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THIS IS MY FIRST TIME ON THIS WEB SITE, SO IF I MESS UP PLEASE FORGIVE. MY NAME IS LINDA AND I AM A GRATEFUL RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC. I JUST HAD MY 15TH YEAR ANNIVERSARY ON MARCH 2ND AND I AM SO GRATEFUL TO MY GOD AND THE FELLOWSHIP OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS. BILL AND BOB SURE KNEW THEIR STUFF DIDN'T THEY? LINDA


Member: Keith Giglio
Location: Olathe, CO
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 10:42:35 PM

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Hi everyone, my name is Keith Giglio and I am a real alcoholic. You don't have to read very far into the book to get the message that caring for others as a full time activity is, at least to the authors' view the only way we stay sober. I think I was only a couple of weeks sober when I was dragged out on my first 12 step call. The first guy I sponsored came along when I was just 6 months off the booze. He will celebrate 25 years this month.

AA is my great training ground for life in the real world. So, I learned the absolute necessity of caring for others in a very active sense by what I learned in AA. The job today is for me to use all those same principals and skills in "all my affairs". It goes from the very simple to the extraordinary. As I was driving along the freeway this afternoon, I moved out of the merging lane so others could easily and safely enter the traffic. That's not a big deal, but it is a demonstration of my caring concern for others. I also have a handful of sober and not so sober newcomers to the fellowship who I stay in contact with. I provide them with a compassionate ear. And, when appropriate, I will share my experience on something that is troubling them.

It saddens me to hear people with some time behind them make comments such as there is nothing left for them in AA. There are still newcomers showing up at our doors. And, they need our help desparately.

A couple of closing references: Our very lives as ex-problem drinkers depends on our constant thought of others and how we may help meet their needs. & Nothing so insures our continued sobriety like intensive work with other alcoholics.

Thank you.


Member: Keith Giglio
Location: Olathe, CO
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 10:43:24 PM

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Hi everyone, my name is Keith Giglio and I am a real alcoholic. You don't have to read very far into the book to get the message that caring for others as a full time activity is, at least to the authors' view the only way we stay sober. I think I was only a couple of weeks sober when I was dragged out on my first 12 step call. The first guy I sponsored came along when I was just 6 months off the booze. He will celebrate 25 years this month.

AA is my great training ground for life in the real world. So, I learned the absolute necessity of caring for others in a very active sense by what I learned in AA. The job today is for me to use all those same principals and skills in "all my affairs". It goes from the very simple to the extraordinary. As I was driving along the freeway this afternoon, I moved out of the merging lane so others could easily and safely enter the traffic. That's not a big deal, but it is a demonstration of my caring concern for others. I also have a handful of sober and not so sober newcomers to the fellowship who I stay in contact with. I provide them with a compassionate ear. And, when appropriate, I will share my experience on something that is troubling them.

It saddens me to hear people with some time behind them make comments such as there is nothing left for them in AA. There are still newcomers showing up at our doors. And, they need our help desparately.

A couple of closing references: Our very lives as ex-problem drinkers depends on our constant thought of others and how we may help meet their needs. & Nothing so insures our continued sobriety like intensive work with other alcoholics.

Thank you.


Member: Toni J
Location: Salem,Or
Date: 3/9/01
Time: 11:53:26 PM

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Member: Toni J
Location: Salem,Or
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 12:01:21 AM

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My name is Toni and I'm an alcoholic, I am clean and sober today by the Grace of God and because of this program.

Thank you all for sharing your experience, strength and hope with me tonight. You have all carried the message. Welcome newcomer!

I was brought to the program of AA by watching my little sister get sober and going through things like our dad dying, her husband leaving her and watching her walk through it all clean and sober. Then watching all of her AA friends and her having fun without alcohol. It was amazing and I wanted to learn more about this "sobriety" stuff. Well I've been in the program since 10/2/95 and haven't had a drink since, thanks to God and AA! This program was brought to me by attraction rather than promotion. That is carring the message in my (big book)... Thank you for letting me share.


Member: JME
Location: Chicago
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 1:09:40 AM

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hi my name is j, and I am an alcoholic. This is the first time to this or any AA related site. I went to a meeting earlier and needed some more AA. I am blessed and grateful to G-d to be a sober alcoholic. This is my 2nd time around in this program. I was sober for 5 years and then relapsed after getting "too busy" to go to meetings. This time I have been sober for another 7 years and I am 32yrs old. I am grateful that G-d and the people of AA carried the message to me that my sobriety has to be the most important thing in my life or I have nothing. Welcome to the newcomers-it does get better. I try to lead by example-doing service work, giving my ph# to newcomers-women only! and sharing my experience, strenghth and hope. Since I got sober young, I try and focus on the younger newcomers and show them that life in sobriety can be beautiful, happy, and that sobriety ENHANCES your life and drinking ROBS you of your life. Carrying the message also includes passing on literature-Big Books, prayer cards w/ Serenity Prayer, 12 steps, or 3rd and 7th step prayers on them (great to write your phone number on for newcomers)or 12 and 12s. I just ask G-d to guide my thoughts and align my will with HIS today and I keep it simple. Also, reading the Big Book before I go to bed at night.

I am grateful to have found this site and imagined and wished that something like this existed. My prayers were answered.

Good night and god bless, J


Member: WHITE HORSE
Location: 666
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 1:59:41 AM

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there will be great EARTHQUAKES....... THE EARTH SHALL ROCK LIKE A WEAVING DRUNKEN MAN, THE END IS NEAR FOR ALL MANKIND,THERE WILL BE GREAT ARMIES FORMING,AND NATIONS COMING TOGETHER EVIL AS THEY ARE,THEY WILL BE DESTROYED IN LESS THEN ONE HOUR.

WHITE HORSE


Member: WHITE HORSE
Location: 666
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 1:59:49 AM

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there will be great EARTHQUAKES....... THE EARTH SHALL ROCK LIKE A WEAVING DRUNKEN MAN, THE END IS NEAR FOR ALL MANKIND,THERE WILL BE GREAT ARMIES FORMING,AND NATIONS COMING TOGETHER EVIL AS THEY ARE,THEY WILL BE DESTROYED IN LESS THEN ONE HOUR.

WHITE HORSE


Member: WHITE HORSE
Location: 666
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 1:59:55 AM

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there will be great EARTHQUAKES....... THE EARTH SHALL ROCK LIKE A WEAVING DRUNKEN MAN, THE END IS NEAR FOR ALL MANKIND,THERE WILL BE GREAT ARMIES FORMING,AND NATIONS COMING TOGETHER EVIL AS THEY ARE,THEY WILL BE DESTROYED IN LESS THEN ONE HOUR.

WHITE HORSE


Member: WHITE HORSE
Location: 666
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 2:00:01 AM

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there will be great EARTHQUAKES....... THE EARTH SHALL ROCK LIKE A WEAVING DRUNKEN MAN, THE END IS NEAR FOR ALL MANKIND,THERE WILL BE GREAT ARMIES FORMING,AND NATIONS COMING TOGETHER EVIL AS THEY ARE,THEY WILL BE DESTROYED IN LESS THEN ONE HOUR.

WHITE HORSE


Member: WHITE HORSE
Location: 666
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 2:00:17 AM

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there will be great EARTHQUAKES....... THE EARTH SHALL ROCK LIKE A WEAVING DRUNKEN MAN, THE END IS NEAR FOR ALL MANKIND,THERE WILL BE GREAT ARMIES FORMING,AND NATIONS COMING TOGETHER EVIL AS THEY ARE,THEY WILL BE DESTROYED IN LESS THEN ONE HOUR.

WHITE HORSE


Member: Bob
Location: Colorado
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 2:04:08 AM

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Supporting sparsely attended meetings so they dont die. Showing up at a meeting in the middle of a snow storm. Hiring a newcomer. Buying a newcomer his first Big Book. Introducing the newcomer to others after meetings. Calling them in between meetings, just to call. Showing up at the regular meeting place when everyone else is at the AA New Years Eve party. Planning sober social events so the newcomer can see that "We absolutely insist on enjoying life". Praying for someone else everyday.


Member: diane
Location: uk
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 2:48:16 AM

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Member: diane
Location: uk
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 3:00:56 AM

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hi, daisy well done for being so courageous and sharing your concerns about your drinking. ihope you take the next step and get youself to a meeting. i have been a member now for 18 years the first 8 iwas clean and sober but i have had slip in recent years, recovery is a journey thank God we are not called upon to be perfect the key to the message of A.A. i beleive is at the end of the meeting when we say "keep coming back" if you do you will surelt get it, lots of love in fellowship.diane


Member: Donnie M
Location: west virginia
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 8:18:08 AM

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HI,my name is donnie and I am a alcoholic.I carry the message one day at a time,and simply do not drink.I have been sober for two years. It is the best thing I have ever done.My life has been rough sober,but I could not imagine if I were still drinking.I have lost loved ones in the past two years,but by the grace of GOD I have not had to pick up a drink.The way I look at if I can do it so can others.thanks for listening.


Member: DonF
Location: NH
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 8:52:41 AM

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#1 JME, welcome back. Remember, when we get too busy to go to meetings, or decide that other spiritual or religious activity can supplant AA meetings, we have "retracted Step 1". Decided that we really weren't powerless over alcohol. Keep coming. We need you. #2 CLOSED MEETINGS, still related to carrying the message, I think. I was chairing a speaker/discussion meeting and a couple of young guys come in together, a little late, but in time to identify, one as an alcoholic, the other "to visit" or whatever he said. An older member loudly interjected that "this is a CLOSED meeting, and until you have a group conscience meeting and turn in the change to Central Services, he is not allowed to be here". So after a little cross-talk, one saying "we just had one, and we'd like him to stay". I said "according to Tradition 4, we can act autonomously, and as chairman tonight I'd like to invite him to stay". The "challenger" stomped out saying here's another meeting where the HP is not involved. DID I SCREW UP?


Member: Linda B.
Location: Ohio
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 8:58:15 AM

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THANKS Donnie for sharing. I too have lost loved ones in recovery, but I am so grateful I was sober and could let these people know how much I loved them while they were still here. "There is no situation so bad that a drink won't make worse"-how true this has been for me.That little saying has saved this alcoholic many times. Have a great weekend!!Linda


Member: Brenda R
Location: xAustin, T
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 10:12:39 AM

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Hay just a thought for PerA and anyone else that cann use it....The waggon hath fallen off of me -smile- and have a great day


Member: TiffanyB
Location:
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 1:57:17 PM

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Hey Everyone, great topic! I have only been sober for over a month now but I feel as if I have been carrying the message since my first DWI. I should have learned then but I didn't; some of my friends did. . .they started having designated drivers in their groups (and since not everyone is an alkie I think that this is step in the right direction for them at least).

As for me carrying the message now I would have to say sometime it seem I must be talking to deaf, dumb and blind. My friend, who is also a recoverying alkie, just yesterday got pulled over after being up for 24 hours straight and drinking for almost 10 of them. Somehow he got a speeding ticket instead of a DUI! God was looking out for him? it would have been his second, he knows that I just lost mine for three years for the same reason. Am I failing at spreading the word? I had just talked to him and told him not to drive?

Just frustrated; but staying sober. Venting.


Member: Janet K
Location: New York City
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 4:33:24 PM

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Hi. I think that I carry the message everytime I use a slogan or listen to someone else talk about how there life is out of control. When I offer the principles of AA to them - -letting go letting God, Live and Let Live - -through the slogans I am also reminding myself to practice the principles in all my affairs.This works very well with my adult daughters who appreciate that I am not talking from my own perspective only but from the wisdom of the program. Neither of them is addicted to alcohol but I like to think that they have the program in their lives.Thank you.


Member: Paul D.
Location: Ronda, Malaga, Spain
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 4:43:38 PM

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Hi all, my name is Paul and I am an alcoholic. I am on vacation in Spain, sitting in a little cyber cafe, checking into a cyber aa meeting for almost my first time. I like the topic - and like the cyber format. It is a Saturday evening in this beautiful town, I am alone for the week and enjoying a quiet, sober time, studying some Spanish and absorbing the lovely atmosphere.

In the old days, I would have taken this as an opportunity to get totally loaded, stay up till all hours doing things I might or might not remember and might or might not regret, with people I might or might not have chosen had my brain been clear. I would have returned home from a vaction TOTALLY burned out, but I would lie and say it was relaxing. Right. What active alcoholic really ever has a restful, relaxing vacation?

I have lived outside of the US for over 10 years, and have really had to work carrying the message in a number of places I have been. Why I have not yet been to a cyber meeting escapes me, but this is my first. In Kazakhstan, I started a meeting with a couple of other desperadoes and a spy for the KGB (we learned later - woops). I have been to GREAT meetings in Ukraine, where low bottom really gets low. I just went to the main drying out hospital in Armenia with a newly sober man there, meeting with the doctors and some of the patients, trying to carry the message.

For those of you in the US or elsewhere where there is strong AA and are plenty of meetings, COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS!!! You have no idea how lucky you are to have an AA community around you to nurse you back to health. There are lots of places in the world where the message is still struggling to get through the spies and ignorance, and the drunks still drop like flies.

AA has saved my life, and done more. I am not just alive, I am happy, thriving, respected, beloved, healthy, prosperous, balanced. I should have died, but did not. It took a while - with the grace of God, but I will have 15 years on April 4. At first I was shocked by it, but later took real comfort in the recurring statement that it can take five years to get your marbles back, and another five to learn how to play with them. For all those newcomers checking in, GIVE TIME TIME and stay real close to meetings. Allow yourselves to lead small, quiet lives.

I could not work for my first two years sober. My life totally fell apart when I put down booze and drugs, the facade just crumbled once I finally had to live without my protective shield. I still stay in close touch with friends who knew me when - since now is so different. I need to have them remind me. A friend who really helped keep me pasted together 15 years ago will actually be joining me here in Spain in a few days with his girlfriend. He has now been sober for 18 years. It works for him, works for me, and works for lots of folks like us.

I agree with the comments that living a sober life and being an example can be a way to carry the message. I don´t have to preach it and am very guarded about when I break my anonymity, but I sure do try to practice the principles in all my affairs, and absolutely see the promises coming true.

Dear newcomers, dear oldimers, dear middle agers - keep coming back. Whether cyber or in person. Thanks for being there for me in cyber space today. I called Malaga today, and found the nearest meeting is an hour away by car, and I only have a bicycle with me. Better to hang out a bit with you.


Member: ed r
Location: san diego
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 5:28:39 PM

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Hey I'm a new comer to this but I want to stay sober. I like this idea.


Member: lulu
Location:
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 6:01:49 PM

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im not gay im just happy


Member: lulu
Location:
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 6:01:58 PM

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im not gay im just happy


Member: lulu
Location:
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 6:02:06 PM

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im not gay im just happy


Member: Megan T
Location: LA
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 7:25:04 PM

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Hi, I'm Megan; a NYC alcoholic visiting LA for a family function. Like Pitsy, I am 49 days sober. My sponsor doesn't want me to get involved with other people's problems that might distract me from my own, but I hope that6 Daisy will get to a meeting. 3 months ago I swore I would NEVER give up drinking, NEVER find myself at an AA meeting, never have my teeth cleaned without gas. Through some miracle, I have done all those things and feel so much better and optimistic about my life. I'm glad this forum was available to help me out on the road.


Member: Nancy
Location: US
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 7:40:31 PM

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Ok, it's Sat night. I haven't had a drink since Monday night. I don't know if I'm an alcoholic, but I do know that I need to learn to live without alcohol. I mean, I think of a food and immediately afterward think of a wine that would go great with it. Don't even ask me how to celebrate without alcohol. I don't have a clue. I don't have a clue how to relax without wine either. I live by myself so I figure who cares if I come home and drink. I almost stopped by the wine shop today. I just want to relax. I didn't get the wine, but I'm still having a problem with the issue of what difference it makes.


Member: brad p
Location: kamloops British Columbia
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 7:59:23 PM

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creating my own reallity. no one can make me drink or angry or feel bad. only if i choose to do so. i have to take responsibility for my actions!!!!!! have another 24 and so will I !!!!


Member: Freddy B. Goode
Location: Sunny South Delray FL
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 8:15:04 PM

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Hey Nancy, I was an isolator myself. So now I go to meetings it gets me out of myself. Isolation=Drink. Also going to meetings introduces me to people who celibrate without booze. Eventually it rubs off but it takes time. It took 26 years for me to love booze the way I did. So if you go to meetings and make and effort everyday to progress in the program your love for booze will go away.


Member: brad
Location: salem'ore
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 8:33:01 PM

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i can isolate to that,been sober for a year now i dont hardly leave the house,i think im hiding from the world,so as i dont tempt myself to drink,its really awful and depressing,i feel like im dieing.


Member: RAYDAY75@hotmail.com
Location: Oklahoma
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 8:51:36 PM

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Hi Ray here. ((Nancy))It does make a differance,I was just like you when I first started trying to get sober, I was living alone in a big house and most of the time thats where I found myself late of an evening. alone & drunk on my ass. AA taught me that you can celebrate, and live life on lifes terms SOBER. I also found that there was a lot of other things to celebrate besides Friday night and payday. Good luck and I hope you find your own reasons why it makes a differance.


Member: Scott M.
Location: Molalla OREGON
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 9:13:06 PM

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Thank you for being here. I don't feel to good about myself, right now. These last two days, just sucked. Thank god, I can go to these sites, and read. It helps me to figgure out whats really going on.I belive the writtin word, has more effect, then the spoken. I seem to pay a little bit more attn. Thankx for listining


Member: Carol W
Location: St Louis
Date: 3/10/01
Time: 10:06:25 PM

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My name is Carol and I'm an alcoholic. Sounds like some people out there are looking for that quick fix that I wanted when I first came to AA. Anyone that wants to hear about how to get sober and stay sober, but "not with those old, tired AA slogans" is looking for a lightning bolt kind of quick fix that DOES NOT exist! Yeah, I'm yelling that one. Here's the truth: 1.Don't Drink. 2.Go to meetings. 3.Get a sponsor and use them. 4.Read the big book. 5.Work the steps. AND here's another good one that speaks volumes: Find people who have what you want and ask them for help. It works but you have to work it--there's no lightning bolt that's going to fix you. Recovery is a process. And it helps if you follow these simple directions. Maybe you haven't suffered enough? These old, tired cliches of AA were drilled into my head and heart years ago and I repeat them here because they work. Thanks for being here and letting me carry the message.


Member: Rich R, slowly recovering compulsive person :-)
Location: Detroit
Date: 3/11/01
Time: 6:14:56 AM

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Rich R, message carrier. I learned to carry the message from others. One guy named Norm carried the message to me in the parking lot after the meeting and also by 'loaning' me a half pack of cigarettes. I actually wanted to pay Norm for them, but he preferred that I do someone else an act of kindness instead. Another guy taught me to carry the message on the radio. His radio name was 'Al Cohol' (clever, eh?). Truth be known, I neither liked nor respected Al, but his radio programs did a lot of good so I supported him by calling in and sharing. There is another guy doing the same thing now that Al has passed on to the big meeting in the sky. His name is Mark Elliot.

I have done public relations things like newspaper and TV interviews, attending college classes that were about addictions, even posting on the Internet. All kinds of extra stuff like that. And when all is said and done, it is I who have benefitted the most from these efforts. When you try to help others, it helps you understand better what you are trying to share. It's neat. Thanks for letting me share on this 'message' board.