Member: Kevin B.
Location: Fishkill, NY
Date: 22 Mar 1998
Time: 13:52:45

Comments

I am requesting any information from other AA Groups regarding anniversary celebration protocol. Do you give cake to your 90 day celebrants, or just to your annual celebrants? We offended a thin-skinnned 90 day celebrant by not bringing a piece of cake up to him, now he left the Group and is trashing our Group in local discussion meetings, saying that we don't care about the newcomer. Are we wrong?


Member: Judyrose
Location: Malden,MA
Date: 22 Mar 1998
Time: 14:18:13

Comments

I used to say to my sponsorees "If you want a cake, go to a bakery!" The format or culture of any particular meeting finds it roots in the group conscious. Pray for this member's continued sobriety and serenity. That act alone can only make you all feel better about your dicision. All my best,


Member: Chuck  S.
Location: Cntrl   WV.
Date: 22 Mar 1998
Time: 14:37:53

Comments

"Good Morning Everyone"!! Chuck S.in recovery here. hope you all are doing well. As for myself,I've not been to a meeting this week and it showes.I haven't wanted to drink/drug but I'm squirrelly as a craphouse rat.Know the feeling?? I got P-O'd earlier this am when I visited this site,entered a com- ment,came back afew min later to find the site had been updated with out my comment.My ego and importance feelings were shattered.How dare the cyberlings make changes without my knowing,let-alone approval!!HA!HA! "Just joking gang"!!I am Definitly making a meeting TODAY!

To Amy C.G.in Switz.- -I can relate to having a hard time with religion.However the program has shown me that there is a difference between Spirituality and religion. BEFORE I CONTINUE,-"THIS IS MY PERCEPTION AND MY OPINION AS WELL AS EXPRESSION ALSO I'M NOT ASKING FOR AGREEMENT SO PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENSE"!!To me Spirituality is within-how I think and feel about life and my attitude towards it and my concept of a higher power. My religion is my outward expression of those thoughts,feelings and attitudes.Again no offense intended, this is about me-Chuck S.if it offends you,take a look at you!!I welcome any comment and am very openminded, however I won't accept responsibility for where you"re at with my comments.Now back to you Amy--sorry for drifting!! Did you finally learn the language??It had to be tough just being in another country,let-alone trying to find an english speaking meeting. I hope you've found some recovering people over,downup or around there?.(i need a map) I'm glad to see you are hanging in there and atleast using your LIVING SOBER bookand visiting the site,"Welcome"!! Well my son wants a turn so for now "I'm Outa Here"and will drop in later.Hope you all have a good day!!

"TFTS"!!cs

P<S>: Anyone out there from Louisiana??


Member: Suzanne H.
Location: Burlington Ont Canada
Date: 22 Mar 1998
Time: 15:31:09

Comments

Sarina from Burlington- Burlington where? I am from Burlington Ontario Canada and would be interested in contacting you if you are also.

Hi to all and have a serene 24!

Suzanne H.


Member: Denise R.
Location: Lake of Ozarks
Date: 22 Mar 1998
Time: 17:52:33

Comments

This is my first time here...this is nice. Went to the convention in Osage Beach yesterday, have a horrid coffee hangover today...I'm having trouble with resentment...just want to let go of this stuff and feel good about myself again. Not sure where my problem lies...maybe it's spiritual... I think I'll try some meditation...this has been eating me for several weeks now, I'm sure the person I am resentful of couldn't care less... in fact he's probably totally unaware that his bad behavior has an impact on my life. Haven't had a desire to drink...but know where this stuff takes me eventually... going to attempt meditation and see where it takes me. I don't have access to many meetings, this is a God send for me...Thanks


Member: Denise R.
Location: Lake of Ozarks
Date: 22 Mar 1998
Time: 18:00:57

Comments

About the cake thing... I think each group has their own way of doing that and you just never know what that way is unless you ask. However, I must say I've never heard of cake for 90 days and I've been to a few meetings in seven years.


Member: Glen H
Location: Denton, TX
Date: 22 Mar 1998
Time: 19:33:06

Comments

Chuck B -- Don't worry about using the group as your higher power for now. Like Amy said, lots of us had the same problem with God at first. The whole purpose of the program is the spiritual awakening that comes as THE result of these 12 steps. Use whatever HP you can.

Just don't be so sure that there is no God - if you keep the possibility open you might be surprised.


Member: mary w.
Location: ks
Date: 22 Mar 1998
Time: 21:28:32

Comments

YO TECHIES --- TRIED TO GET THE MEETING HOME PAGE, CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hugs,

mary w.


Member: Jackie J
Location: Texas
Date: 22 Mar 1998
Time: 23:03:30

Comments

Greetings from the South! Am having a difficult time as of late, and would appreciate e-mailing with someone who has "walked in my shoes". I have almost 6 yrs of grateful sobriety. My sweetheart is a chronic relapser. I've been on this roller-coaster ride for 5 yrs now, and need to go on without him ... just don't know how to do it.

If anyone has been in this sad situation and can give me some help, please write to: Jejepson@aol.com

Love, light and peace to all of you.


Member: Frank D.
Location: Willow Grove,Pa.
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 00:13:59

Comments

If You want a piece of cake go to a bakery,If You want to stay sober go to AA.Our singleness Of Purpose is a Desire Not TO DRINK. Get sober and You will get a lot of sweet things.

Big Frank


Member: Techs
Location: Cakeburg
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 00:41:37

Comments

Thanks mary w.

Our bad, Home fixed.


Member: Sanders W
Location: Graceville, Fl.
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 00:56:48

Comments

Never heard of any group giving a cake for 90 days. In my first home group, we gave a cake for one year, but they had been trying to get me to one year for five years, so when I finally made 6 months, they gave me 6 cupcakes because they didn't think I would ever make a year and to be honest with you I did't either. That was twenty two years ago and I have not found it necessary to take a drink since. I am truely a miricle and very grateful for this program. Sanders W.


Member: doug m
Location: placerville, ca
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 01:06:21

Comments

Is there an Al-Anon cyber meeting similar to this? I'm in AA, but need help with deling with a family member who is still out there. Can anyone popint me in the right direction? Thanks


Member: Mike O.
Location: Pontiac, Michigan
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 01:51:11

Comments

Hi all....just reading and feeling grateful that I truly belong to the best thing that has ever happened to us alcoholics..one day at a time..Thanx michaelott@webtv.net


Member: Gary S.
Location: San Diego
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 02:54:48

Comments

If anyone would like my AA story by email please send me a request at www.kidsvid@flash.net. I have 17 years of sobriety and would like to share my hope, strength, and experience.


Member: Gary S.
Location: San Diego
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 03:05:59

Comments

The email address for my AA Story is at kidsvid@flash.net. The address given earlier was incorrect. Thanks


Member: Glen H
Location: Denton, TX
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 07:11:46

Comments

Doug M - checkout

http://www.Al-Anon-Alateen.org/eng.index.html

You'll just have to follow the URL's, &/or E-mail some of the names.


Member: Amy G.C.
Location: Switzerland
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 07:53:45

Comments

Hello to all, this is Amy and I am an alcoholic. Chuck do not worry I took no offense and I agree that there is a big difference between religion and spirituality, thank goodness. I had such a resentment towards religion because my dad was (is) a Methodist preacher and we moved all the time...but back to the point, I cannot say I am an active church goer, We go every other month or so usually around a holiday, plus living here in Europe now you always hear about the crusades and the killing wars over religion. So I take what parts of my backround religion that I kind of came back to but here they do not have denominations like Methodist or Baptist or anything, you are either Catholic or Protestant and they segregate themselves very much unlike in America. So I take what helps me from my upbringing (scars and all) and learn more when I take the time to search the spiritual side of myself. Yes I finally learned German but there are 27 dialects of swiss german that I can only barely comprehend. I went to 4 or so such meetings but left frustrated because I did not understand all that was being said and knew also I could not express myself. Then I met a group of English and American ladies that live here and we have an open non denominational bible study. I shared my recovery with 45 women (many strangers) at a meeting and felt the relief if that for the first time. It was scary knowing that most of them not having had such a problem could be judgemental. Maybe they were but I felt a burden lifted when I shared and I hope I at least helped someone. Have a good week everyone, Easy does it. Amy


Member: Patrick D
Location: Chicago, IL
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 09:20:14

Comments

About the "cake thing" a guy at my old home group once complained that it was unfair to have to wait a year for a cake. He felt all 3, 6, or 9 month anniversaries warranted celebration with a cake. The day he had six months his sponsor brought decked out with six candles flaming, half a chocalate cake. After the laughter subsided we had our meeting and I'm glad to say that the cake was good. Brightest Blessings to All. Patirck

YADTAP@aopl.com


Member: Aimee W
Location: Coon Rapids, Mn
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 09:33:20

Comments


Member: Aimee W
Location: Coon Rapids, Mn
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 09:34:24

Comments


Member: Phil T.
Location: NY
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 11:01:48

Comments

To: Kelley C., Chicago.

Dear Kelley:

Thank you for your interest. As you may have observed, I received several cliche responses from concerned members. While I really do appreciate their thoughts and reflections, I felt it was more to help them continue "coping" than help me analyze and understand Alcoholism.

As such, I would appreciate your access to medical literature and other information regarding Alcoholism, as it applies.

Because frequent posting to this web page often jeapordizes my anonymity, please forward information to: phil@f8media.com

(I would like to gratefully request that other members of this group not contact me at the above personal email address.)

Kind regards, Phil T.


Member: louis
Location: gatineau,quebec,canada
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 12:50:33

Comments

louis,alcoholic.for the cake thing,in our region we have a chip system.befrore you we get a 1 year cake,there is a (gold chip for 9 months,blue chip for 6 months,red chip for 3 months,green chip for 1 month and white chip just for today.if a cake is more important then sobriety well..what can i say.


Member: Sanders W.
Location: Graceville, Fl.
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 12:54:22

Comments

Hello to all. I am very definatelly a real alcoholic and my name is Sanders. On the lighter side: This one I got from my aunt and hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Three blondes died and are at the pearly gates of heaven. St. Peter tells them they can enter if they can answer one simple question. St. Peter asks the first blonde, "What is Easter?" She replies, "Oh that's easy! It's the holiday in November when everyone gets together, eats turkey, and are thankful..." "Wrong" replies St. Peter, and proceds to ask the second blonde the same question, "What is Easter?" The second blonde replies, "Easter is the holiday in December when we put up a nice tree, exchange presents, and celebrate the birth of Jesus." St. Peter looks at the second blonde, shakes his head in disgust, tells her she's wrong, and then peers over his glasses at the third blonde and asks, "What is Easter?" She smiles confidently and looks St. Peter in the eyes and says, "I know what Easter is." "Easter is the Christian holiday that coincides with the Jewish celebration of Passover. Jesus and his disciples were eating at the last supper and Jesus was later deceived and turned over to the Romans by one of his diciples. The Romans took him to be crucified and he was stabbed in the side, made to wear a crown of thorns, and was hung on a cross with nails through his hands. He was buried in a nearby cave which was sealed off by a large boulder." St. Peter smiles breadly with delight. The third blonde continues, "Every year the boulder is moved aside so that Jesus can come out... and if he sees his shadow, there will be six more weeks of winter." Sanders W.


Member: Tony G.
Location: Peq. N. J.
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 17:31:56

Comments

Hi gang Tony G. here alcoholic. Haven't been here in a week BOY the place does not look the same. New meetings new sites but still the same problems and same solutions. Have some good news to report going to help out a friend of mine with new bussiness, with the grace of God hope to do well and stay cyber/sober.(HA HA HA) Reading other comments and feel that the person with the cake complaint is really looking for an excuse to go out. I used anything I could find as an excuse because at that time I was not ready. Now I'm with an open mind and a closed mouth at meetings to hear what is needed to stay sober. Well thanks for reading until next time Tony.


Member: Sandy A.
Location: S.D.
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 18:11:38

Comments

Hi everybody, Sandy, alcoholic. My last home group did a birthday cake on the last friday of every month for the birthdays of that month. I have in my 9 years, never received my own " cake" - and have stayed sober this long without one. I have always looked at "AA Birthdays" as a celebration for AA - that it works if you keep coming back, work the steps, read the big book, talk with your sponsor and pass it on. Wasn't there a queen once who said "Let them eat cake". I think they cut her head off. Celebrating the joy in sobriety one day at a time. Sandy A.


Member: Hilary C
Location: Wash.D C
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 18:53:06

Comments

Three blonds were walking down the beach and , of course, they came upon a magic lamp. Of course they picked it up and gave it a rub and OUT popped the genie. HE said" yeah!yeah! you get the standard 1 wish each so what da ya want ladies? The first blond said " Ya know girls I'm kind of tired of being treated like I'm stupid just cause I'm blond, I think I want to be oh, just 20% smarter. Yeah! that's what I want, to be 20% smarter - - - B O O M ! ! she was instantly turned in to a red head. Now the second blond thought and thought and said "Yeah! I think I 'm tired of being treated that way too just cause I'm a blond. I think I want to be 50 % smarter, yeah that's what I want , I want to be 50% smarter" and B O O M! ! ! she instantly became a brunette. Now the third blond stood there and thought and thought and said"I like being blond I mean you know, I mean I just love being a blond ya know and I kinda ya know want to be you know even blonder, and " B O O M " she was a man . . . . . . .


Member: Tom G.
Location: Chantilly, Virginia
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 21:19:53

Comments

Around here we buy our own birthday cake if we get one at all... and do all the cleanup too...:O(

http://www.erols.com/thrgoz/

Tom


Member: Tom G.
Location: Chantilly, Virginia
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 21:20:15

Comments

Around here we buy our own birthday cake if we get one at all... and do all the cleanup too...:O(

http://www.erols.com/thegoz/

Tom


Member: Sarina B.
Location: Burlington, Vt
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 21:32:39

Comments

Hi everybody. I'm Sarina and I am definitely an alcoholic! I just got done reading all the comments here and I think that I am going to like the internet. Suzanne H. I am from Burlington, Vermont; sorry we are not from the same area but at least we can chat from here. I was thinking a lot about my H.P. today and the discussion about what to believe in reminded me of when I first got sober all I could do was pray to the doorknob in my room. I just kept praying that I would keep the door shut and not use. Today my H.P. is definitely not the doorknob but in the beginning that was the best I could do. I just redid my Step Three for the second time in my sobriety and what a difference from the last time. I have the chance to not try to run my life anymore.

In my home group we give cakes at each yearly ann. so it has become a special tradition for us . The secretary of the group did something for me (probably to stop me from whinning about how my next chip was so far away ). He ordered chips for every month from the 24 hour chip up to 11 months. I got up every month that first year and got a chip. Those chips wrer sometimes the only thing that kept me hanging in there until I got just a little stronger. Anything that keeps me sober is worth doing even if it was whinning about my chips from month to month. I am so happy to belong to a group of people who are all striving for sobriety. God bless you all and A.A.

Thanks , Sarina


Member: Marge B
Location: Tucson AZ
Date: 23 Mar 1998
Time: 21:43:59

Comments

Hi Everyone, I'm Marge, a grateful recovering alcoholic. Not new to the program but VERY new to this internet stuff. I found this but want to know how to get to other AA meetings or chat rooms also. I Love staying cyber and want more. anyone have the time to help out? My e-mail is: imfree2choose@worldnet.att.net Thank you


Member: Heather M.
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 01:43:49

Comments

Hi everyone, I'm Heather and I'm an alcoholic. First time ever at this meeting and my eyes have gone buggy already. It's kind of fun having a meeting in my own place. Why did it take me so long to find this, huh? My life is a mess but "this to shall pass". How I hate hearing that right now but I know it's true. I really want somebody to say "poor baby" but that doesn't keep me sober, I know. Thanks, ya'll for being here for me. I now have this site bookmarked so I won't lose it. It could happen, I'm a newcomer to computerland. God help me in all my affairs. Thanks. Wishing you all another 24! Yours in sobriety, Heather


Member: Martinag
Location:
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 06:27:27

Comments

Hi Pam l:

Every day is a new day and a new beginning. Keep reaching out.

Danielle, are you out there? You have been in my thoughts all week.


Member: Amy G.C.
Location: Switzerland
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 08:10:06

Comments

Hello, Amy here, I would like to know if anyone knows where I would order a set of AA starter materials for an English speaking AA group here abroad? Please reply back to coffee pot , thanks and God Bless! Amy


Member: Glen H
Location: Denton, TX
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 08:38:29

Comments

Amy, check w/

http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/


Member: Glen H
Location: Denton, TX
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 10:17:34

Comments

Amy, here's another

http://www.recovery.org/aa/phone/europe.htm#Switzerland


Member: Glen H
Location: Denton, TX
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 10:25:04

Comments

And,

A.A. Service Kontor

Barnengsgatan #44e

Stockholm, Sweden

Phone: 46-8-6422609

Fax: 46-8-7148224


Member: George
Location: Ohio
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 13:23:39

Comments

Gracie: Are you ok? Call me when you can.


Member: Suzanne H.
Location: Ontario Canada
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 15:26:18

Comments

Pam 1 - You can't get a hold of your sponsor. You asked for ideas? Get to a meeting!!!!!!

Pam, I will keep you in my prayers!


Member: Perry H.
Location: Treasurer
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 22:12:37

Comments

Might I suggest thatwe "Pass the Hat" at this point and state:

Each group ought to be self supporting.

We suggest a buck or two every once in a while to help cover our expenses, to keep this sight operating. Anything extra we ship off to GSO in New York. If you would like to contribute, please see " Pass the Hat" portion of this web sight. Thanx.


Member: JIM D.
Location: Illinois
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 22:47:59

Comments

To those asking about religion versus spirituality....religion is for those people who are afraid of going to hell.....spirituality is for those who have already been there!!!! I know my using days were literal hell...and religion did nothing for me then or now. My HP (God) doesn't reside in a church down the street...He/She/It lives inside of me and inside of you!


Member: Jim D.
Location: Illinois
Date: 24 Mar 1998
Time: 22:50:07

Comments

Now, that's spirituality!


Member: mary w.
Location: kiss in ks
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 01:22:52

Comments

hello everyone, it's quiet out in the plains. thank goodness ! hugs, mary w.


Member: Suzanne H.
Location: Ontario Canada
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 09:53:16

Comments

Good Morning. Praying to my Higher Power for the quiet that Mary has. Sounds good to me.


Member: Joanne L.
Location: NE PA
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 11:07:48

Comments

Hi everyone, I'm Joanne and I'm an alcoholic. I haven't checked this site out in a while, so it's nice to read all of your comments this morning. This week I will have 90 days sober, ( I don't care about a cake.) I had a few years previously, and I got drunk. Since I came back to AA on Christmas, I have gone to a meeting almost every day and have taken the direction from my sponsers. Thank God the obsession to drink has been lifted, a blessing. My problem is I can't seem to find any balance in my life between meetings, my family, and my business. If I don't go to a meeting one day, I feel guilty. The AA'ers in my area believe in a meeting every day. I just wonder if relying on meetings every day to function and feel better isn't just more of the same addictive behavior that gets me in trouble. I don't know. I certainly don't want to drink again, but I also have a life too. Maybe some feedback from others who have felt this way, or had this problem? Thanks.


Member: Phil T.
Location: NY
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 11:26:54

Comments

To All Members:

Please be aware that SoberChef1@aol.com has on two separate occasions sent me harassing, unsolicited email containing profanities, though I requested that members not use my personal email address for such practices.

This is actually kind of sad. I was attempting to solicit another user for help.

We were warned by the Committee that such practices would happen. I just want to confirm the warnings and reinforce the policy.

Have a better day than me!


Member: Jack C.
Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 11:27:57

Comments

Hi folks! Jack, here, alcoholic. To Joanne L.- my original home group was a 5 or 6 meeting a week bunch, and for the first year of my sobriety I went to nearly all the meetings. I still go to 2 or 3 a week by my own choice-not what others expect of me but what my HP and I choose to do. Remember that sobriety means we have choices. May I suggest you do what your heart (HP) tells you to do. Balance between AA, work, and home life is a difficult thing to achieve, but it's possible if you follow your heart. Have a super 24 hours!!


Member: Joni R.
Location: Altoona, Pa.
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 13:03:29

Comments

Hi everyone I'm Joni and I'm an alcoholic. Not long ago I read a quote that went like this Religion is for those who want to stay out of hell. Spirituality is for those who have already been there. I believe that spirituality is the way you live your beliefs. As for the cake issue this person needs to know that acceptaonce is a key to happiness and without it he will remain irritated all the time about something. To Hillary C. you think the way I do. That's all I can say on the subject my husband reads this site too. I have found it beneficial to accept men the way they are and adjust. Laughter has gotten me thid far so thanks for your contribution!!! Hope everyone has a good week and thanks for being here I work with adolescents in D&A TX and it's nice to talk with adults at times. I work long hours so I don't always get adult conversation. I have been surprised how much the kids have taught me about recovery because they look at things in different ways from each other. They say things that I have never thought about and they make me laugh a lot. I'm going to be quiet now I have a tendency to ramble (it's those kids again!) Love to all, Joni


Member: Martina G
Location:
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 13:36:19

Comments

Hi - Martina alcoholic. Joanne, I have found that the most important thing for me is to be really honest with myself. Whether I go to one meeting a week; 7 meetings a week, if I am doing either only to please others then I am in trouble. Or if I avoid meetings to please others or out of guilt or rationalization, then I am in trouble. If you search yourself with brutal honesty about this issue, then do that which is being true to what you know you should do in order to remain sober, regardless of the expectations of others. Hope this helps some. Have a great, sober day.


Member: Glen H
Location: Denton, TX
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 14:08:13

Comments

I was told early on to not confuse the fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous with the program. The fellowship is where we go to get out of self; greet the newcomer; and share our experience, strength, and hope for the benefit of others. The program is in the book and is the 12 steps. I tend to go to lots of meetings and think I'm really working the program when actually I'm just hanging out and drinking coffee.


Member: Amy G.C.
Location: Switzerland
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 16:10:01

Comments

Dear Glenn, thanks so much for your help in getting me those addresses, that was a BIG help, do not down play your contributions. I am sure everyone in your group appreciates the coffee if they are a lazy one like me. I was sorry to hear what happened to Phil in NY and wish there were not erks, at least not in AA, but I guess dealing with them is just the human condistion. I wish you all a great and peaceful week, Amy PS is anyone involved in AA in Hickory NC?


Member: Martina G
Location:
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 17:05:54

Comments

P.S. Phil, thanks for the heads up. What a shame that you extended yourself with courtesy and integrity and received such junk in return.

Have a better day tomorrow.


Member: Sheila B.
Location: Mo.
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 18:06:54

Comments

Hi, I'm Sheila and I'm an alcoholic. This is my first time here. I like the coffee pot. About this "cake thing". In the 4 groups I've been involved in, you bring your own cake for your birthday. Sometimes, in the group I am in now, if I think someone is not going to have a cake, there are a few of us who kind of check with each other and somebody will bring one. But since we celebrate birthdays on our Potluck night there is always something there. But the cake is for a yearly anniversary. We have chips for 24 hrs. 1, 3,6,9 months. Just how the groups I've been to have done it. Happy Day all!


Member: Steve F
Location: Mt.Pleasant MI
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 21:27:43

Comments

Hi I am Steve and am an alocholic. About this cake thing. I have been to a few states and quite a few different birthday meetings. In good old Michigan it really depends where you go for instance most groups where I atend don't have cake at all. But there is one meeting and it meets the last sunday of the month and there is cake for everyone. Which is the way I like it, I emagine when I was first getting sober that I was looking for any excuse to say that I didn't belong but quite the contray. The people around the tables loved me till I could love myself. It is such a nice thing to see a newcommer receive a 24 hr coin and be able to have cake and coffee. Keep it simple. Steve


Member: Tammy P.
Location: Ottawa
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 22:20:51

Comments

Hi, I'm Tammy and an Alcoholic. This is my first time here and I am pretty new to the internet. I have been having a very hard time lately and am so glad to have stumbled on to this site - about the cake, here we work on a chip system we have a serenity chip, 3 month chip, 6 month chip and a 9 month and at a year the group celebrates with a cake and a 12 month madallion. when I fist became sober the chips were very important to me, but after having to start all over a few times - they are not one of my concerns anymore, staying sober is what matters to me, chips cake or not. Thanks for being there.


Member: jrr
Location: phil's homestate
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 23:01:06

Comments

It is sad that phil T does not mention his absolutely ridiculous, harassing an abusive conduct as his own...it is particularly sad that some people in their own search for answers and excuses to continue drinking can only lash out at a helping hand...Please be aware that this poor man needs prayers ...Let us reinforce the policy ...principles before personalities...I forgive you phil...you and I both know how you really acted...toward me and especially toward all the nice people that visit this site and are willing to help...even a suffering person like yourself...please anyone that can give Phil some help...E-mail him at phil@f8media.com he needs prayers and our help.. god bless , most of all you, Phil peace, jrr


Member: Ali
Location: California
Date: 25 Mar 1998
Time: 23:41:15

Comments

Hi, Ali and I am an alcoholic. My computer has been down for the past several days and I haven't been able to check in here on a daily basis. It feels really good to be back. Life is still overwhelming me these days. There are elements of my life that are not going my way. And I can easily forget my attitude is something I can change. We have a friend in AA who is dying of liver and bone cancer. I recently lost a very dear friend to lung cancer three weeks shy of his 10th year of sobriety. People dying has become more common for me. Partly because I'm getting older and these things happen with more regularity and partly because of the people I know in AA. I am so exposed to so many wonderful people that affect, so profoundly, my life in many ways. I feel so honored to have been loved by my dear friend Phil and to have know him most of his sobriety. The person my husband says "saved his life", the first person he spoke to in AA,is the one dying of liver cancer. I know how these people touched by life and I still miss seeing them in meetings. It's sad and I guess I'm really feeling it tonight. I'm also very tired so goodnight.


Member: Laura K.
Location: San Francisco
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 02:44:12

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STEVE F. IN MT. PLEASANT, MI - Is that you? This is Laura K., formerly from Mt. Pleasant but currently near San Francisco. Hope life is treating you and everyone well! Please let me know: laurakaz@hotmail.com. I, too, enjoyed the cake at the "Birthday Meeting" the last Sunday of each month. I guess you can have your cake and eat it, too! (That's pretty bad, i know) To Joanne, something I have found helpful is that I do what I think is right. Taking things one day at a time helps, too. That way I don't have to get anxios about things that haven't even happened yet (and may not). This is a really great forum; plan to hear from me in the future!


Member: Randy S.
Location: Baton Rouge, La.
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 06:10:28

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This is my first meeting online. I think this is so cool being able to talk to other people in recovery.As of today I have 8yrs, 6mos.,and 19days and Ihave to give all credit to a Power greater than I. GOD and you people have saved this southern boys butt, and for that I am grateful. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!


Member: Glen H
Location: Denton, TX
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 08:36:50

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We are careful never to show intolerance or hatred of drinking as an institution. Experience shows that such an attitude is not helpful to anyone. Every new alcoholic looks for this spirit in us and is immensely relieved when he finds we are not witchburners. A spirit of intolerance might repel alcoholics whose lives could have been saved, had it not been for such stupidity.


Member: Glen H
Location: Denton, TX
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 08:38:46

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I'm sorry, left off the credit -- p. 103, Alcoholics Anonymous


Member: jrr
Location: harmony on the Lake
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 09:44:23

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nor do we surmise a conclusion with just our usual self-glorifying rancor...or is it just cawfee talk...more of same....judge ...opinion ...etc..


Member: mark d
Location:
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 12:13:31

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I want my cake.....AND....I want to eat it too!!


Member: mary w.
Location: KISS in Ks
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 14:35:08

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it's kind of scary, to be judged just on the things that people post. in face to face meetings, i can see that these are people, online...they are faceless . a picture paints a thousand words, a post paints a faction of the whole person.

peace to all,

hugs,

mary w.


Member: mary w.
Location: KISS in Ks
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 14:35:43

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it's kind of scary, to be judged just on the things that people post. in face to face meetings, i can see that these are people, online...they are faceless . a picture paints a thousand words, a post paints a fraction of the whole person.

peace to all,

hugs,

mary w.


Member: Joeline "Jo" M.
Location: SC
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 15:48:34

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way to say it, glenn! we need some southern hospitality 'round here!!!

hey, jrr, dude -- lay off phil!!!!!i have seen HER -- phyllis aka "phil" -- postings here over the past weeks asking for help. she's real sweet and needs a friend.

phil, don't take offense. we just tend to get worked up once in awhile.


Member: Sarina B.
Location: Burlington, Vt
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 18:08:42

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Hi everyone it is Sarina and I'm still an alcoholic. I have a day I just seem to be repeating and repeating. I guess I like this online stuff because I can say stuff and just leave it. I have been digging around in the past to bring some of the dark stuff out into the light and it has knocked me for a loop. I guess that without the help of A.A. to get sober this garbage might still be buried. I can't say that it is fun but I am still glad that I am sober. I wanted to drink a couple of times last week and the idea came into my head again today. I know that it would just make me more miserable than ever but sometimes the idea of escape just looks so darn good. I know that the fellowship has saved my life and it is not mine to squander anymore. There is a higher power out there that is running the show and I just have to remember that god never gives us more than we can handle. It sounds so brave written out like that but I'm really afraid that I will use if I get to overwhelmed. I guess I just need to keep turning it over and keep talking aboutit. I get so sick of always fighting this life sometimes and then I remember that god is in charge. I guess that I have rambled long enough. If anyone has any words of wisdom or can just relate to what I'm going through please jot some notes in here for me. Thanks everyone. God bless. Sarina


Member: jrr
Location: harmony on the Lake
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 22:59:53

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once again , "only a fraction". yet Southerners get all opinionated and self - righteous, god bless you Mary w ....now there is a sweet person...Jo..thank- you for your concern, but you are little confused...phil could probably need your help though...and you are right about getting worked up...its o.k., the War is over...y'all southerners are allright..peace jrr


Member: jrr
Location: harmony on the Lake
Date: 26 Mar 1998
Time: 23:00:31

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once again , "only a fraction". yet Southerners get all opinionated and self - righteous, god bless you Mary w ....now there is a sweet person...Jo..thank- you for your concern, but you are little confused...phil could probably need your help though...and you are right about getting worked up...its o.k., the War is over...y'all southerners are allright..peace jrr


Member: keith c.
Location: Castro Valley, Calif
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 01:30:20

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Hi all im new to the online aa so bear with me. i have 7 Mounths sober and ive never felt better with myself then now. So i just want to thank the program and everyone in it. {I LOVE YOU PEOPLE}


Member: Chuck   S.
Location: Cntrl  WV.
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 02:22:38

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"Hello Everyone"!Chuck S. in recovery here. Looks as though(as I read) it"s been a squirrely week out there in cyberland.haha!Judy B of BR La used to tell me this to shall pass.so,I"ll pass it along to the site.Just kidding!! I must say that anyone posting their address and expecting only one person to respond,is putting their own cyberspace at risk and needs to remember that telling some alcoholic not to do something is unrealistic,at best.I'm glad to see that as recovering people we seemed to have worked through it.i think!

Randy S.in Baton Rouge--Glad to see a C---A-- (Respectfully!!) here on the site,Welcome!!We moved here toWV in 90 from Addis La. We also live in Franklin(St Mary Parish)for10yrs.Would like to talk more so I'll leave the e-mail address. Club 12,off Airline Hgwy used to be my daily hang out at noon and my home group was the thursday nite Vets group.Are you familiar?? Would youhappen to know Jack B.?? Anyway I've taken enough space for now,so again," Welcome to the site"!You can contact me here or at- sloan@iol.inc.net "I'm outa here"!

"TFTS!!cs


Member: Martina G
Location:
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 09:28:10

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Rob in torono: I don't know what will work for you but for me I felt the same way. I used to actually swear at myself every morning and couldn't understand WHY I kept doing this because I really thought I desperately WANTED to stop. this was only partly true. the words admitted and surrender were two key ones for me. For me admitted had to do with (brutal and painful) honesty and surrender had to do with letting go of my control. I love the saying that "things will change only when the pain of changing becomes less than the pain of staying where you are at." This was definitely true for me and hope maybe it helps you.

I am sometimes in a LOUSY mood and feel like my life is crud. But it is NEVER cruddy anymore like it was when I was drinking. Every sober day offers Hope. God Bless you and you too, Mark D -- good for you.

Mark D --- Good for you......


Member: Frank H
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 10:49:17

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My name is Frank, alkie, sober 19 years, in my homegroup when you have a birthday you bring your own cake and we'll help you eat it. strange how sensitive babies can get over something as insignificant as a birthday cake. ya,ll stay sober now


Member: Doris H.
Location: Springfield, Oregon
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 12:12:21

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Good Morning Everyone, My name is Doris and I am an alcoholic, I LOVE this site. I think it is such a relief to be able to just talk to a bunch of strangers and let it all hang out. Sometimes I just read the letters from you all and I just seem to get outside of myself. Being as self centered as I am most of the time it is such a relief to do that. My sponsor gave me an assignment and I am to think about and define "What My Perfect God For Me Would Be. What He Is. This, I am finding, is an ongoing process. This is a tough thing to do. I have done it, in writing, 5 times now snd before I even get done with it I am thinking how it has changed already. I think I could write a whole book on this subject. I would be very interested in hearing what this would mean to any of you out there who care to share with me on this topic. D.B.H.


Member: Doris B.H.
Location: Springfield, Ore
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 12:37:21

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Sarina, I think I know what you mean. Sometimes I just feel like I am trying to swim in very thick mud. It would be nice to somehow free myself from all this weight. So! you have days that just keep repeating, are you doing the same things over and over? I will not lecture you, it's not my place to do that, but I do hope you can find a way to change the pattern. Reprogram your own mental computer. I train horses and riders and sometimes I get a horse that just keeps on doing something unacceptable. I think about it this way. I have to go back to his basic program and I have to change this from the ground up. It takes time and I have to really try to understand 'where he is coming from' but! I have found this to work, both with the horses and with myself. I, too, am an alcoholic and I went through a program and they taught me to change my own routine. Don't do things the same way. Put a coin in the cupboard where I always kept my wine bottle. Go home another route, not past my familier licquor store. Stay away from my drinking routines. I HAD to do this. It really helped me. By the way Sarina, that is a beautiful name. I have only heard it used once before in my life and it was a very elderly and sweet nun that I knew in Catholic School on the reservation in So. Dakota.Sister Serina was from Ireland and she was a sweetie. Vermont is a very beautiful place but I think you may be getting very tired of winter by now. We have a ton of relatives in Manchester and Franklin and I know the winter has been very hard for them this year. El Nino. I know, lets just blame it all on El Nino and leave it at that. There are a couple of radio guys here that blame everything on El Nino, bad traffic, a fight with their wife, getting a parking ticket, even having a bad hair day. It works for me! WELL, Sarina have a good day. And remember, there are many of us out here that are pulling for you,(and ourselves), so God Bless You. Doris B.H.


Member: Michael B.
Location: Northridge, Ca.
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 14:02:32

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Hello folks! My name is Michael and I'm an alcoholic and addict. Well I would love to talk about spirituality... as a Jew it was a problem for me... The Lord's Prayer? (it's a custom here in So. Calif.) I was angry at first because they're asking me to say that. But as soon as I know more about the Program and the faith, I realized it is what -I- want to believe... I mean, there's a reason why this concept is called "Higher Power". That was my biggest issue of my sobriety, or at least in the beginning. I must say it was and still is difficult to not think of God as a Judeo-Christian being, but I've learned how to put my faith in my own personal God . . . I mean, I had over two decades of listening to what is God all about, what he is responible for and so forth. This is not exactly what I need- I don't need a God who makes judgement on me, condemning me to Hell or what have you only because I was being human. My God is more understanding, accepting me for who I am... especially when being Gay and Deaf is an issue as well. To the established Christianity dormain, I'm thriced condemned to hell. SO BE IT. I know I am not going to hell, because I have found my higher power, and my higher power makes my hell a heaven. Just like Milton's "Paradise Lost": one can make a heaven out of hell, and hell out of heaven (OF course I'm paraphasing, but you get the basic idea) I often thanked God for the A.A. and the 12 Steps- I don't know where else I would be... maybe in my own personal hell or six feet under.

Keep coming back... that's what's helping me!


Member: Bill P.
Location: Placitas, New Mexico
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 21:05:01

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Thank you all for posting here. Living out in the sticks of New Mexico and working from home is an isolating experience and reading this stuff is allowing me to get the fellowship part of A.A. right here.

To those involved in the jrr and Phil mini flame war; I think it VERY inappropriate to post other peoples email addresses. I have no clue as to what went on between you all but please "principles BEFORE personalities".


Member: KAY H
Location: VEGREVILLE ALBERTA CAN
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 22:48:15

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HI EVERYONE. KAY FROM ALBERTA IN CAN. THOUGHT I'D LOST YOU GUYS FOR A WHILE THER. GLAD TO SEE THIS SITE UP AND RUNNING AGAIN. LOTS OF LUV TO YOU ALL.


Member: KAY H
Location: VEGREVILLE ALBERTA CAN
Date: 27 Mar 1998
Time: 22:49:54

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HI EVERYONE. KAY FROM ALBERTA IN CAN. THOUGHT I'D LOST YOU GUYS FOR A WHILE THER. GLAD TO SEE THIS SITE UP AND RUNNING AGAIN. LOTS OF LUV TO YOU ALL.


Member: John C.
Location: Ohio
Date: 28 Mar 1998
Time: 10:17:31

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to phil, alcoholism is a life or death issue for many of us and many take a drill instructor's approach to recovery ie "sit down , shut up, and don't say anything for the first 30 days" Depending on the circumstances of a person's "bottom" this may or may not be effective. If like me, you walk into AA with prison or death as a certainty or if drinking has beat you down completely then any solution is welcome. I thought I knew everything when drinking but Icouldn't see the forest for the trees. As alcoholism is an equal opportunity destroyer recovering folks come in all shapes and sizes, backgrounds, and personalities. The common denominator is both the disease and the solution. The drinking problem you' already got or you wouldn't be here. The KEY is willingness. That, coupled with absolute honesty and openmindedness is how it works And the solution is the steps. Work them for a tear and if your not satisfied, your misery will be cheerfully refunded. If this sounds "cliche" consider these facts; A) while I've never met anyone to stupid to get this simple program (as is evidenced by some peoples comments) cemetaries and mental wards are packed to the rafters with people who are too ''''intelligent" to stay in recovery. B) while you are expending considerable time and effort compiling a dissertation on the "problem" I and many others are Living the solution. Keep coming back!


Member: Joni R.
Location: Altoona, Pa.
Date: 28 Mar 1998
Time: 22:15:48

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Hi, my name is Joni and I'm alcoholic. To Joanne, I too have difficulty with the "meeting everyday concept" We are taught to use HALT. Along with this suggestion we need to think about the purpose fo the meetimgs. In our addictions most of did not develope skills like coping skills. We had the best way and it worked so why would you learn anything different. Our life experience involved chemicals that helped us buid a barrier between us and any unpleasant feelings. We often go to treatment and outpatient couseling. These are good starts. They do not go on forever. Meetings provide us a place where we can learn from others. This is where you develop what you to learn, practice your new skills and then through your own experience you have a chance to help others. I also have been in meetings where you have the people who have no life and sit in judgement of others. I work with adolescents, and they are very concerned about what others think of them. This is a natural part of their development. We teach them that If it does't apply let it fly. IOne does not have to develop a dependency to the fellowship but it is a type of co-op. We share our knowledge. At the beginning you may not have too much to share but you will have things to learn. Helping others to learn what you know is a responsibility. Others were there for you. You will always find those people who do not have a life and want to run yous. This is when you let fly. Do not allow these narrow minded people keep you from helping yourself. Be honest with yourself and know what your triggers are. Do not compromise in these situations. Know what you need and stick with it. The big thing is to know when to ask for help and ASK! I hope we talk again. I feel that we may have things in common. Hi everybody thanks for being on the net. I like it very much. I think that if I can't find someone to talk to I can write to you.


Member: cathy f
Location: columbus, OH
Date: 28 Mar 1998
Time: 22:27:34

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Alcohlic, in recovery x many years. This is the greates thing since sliced bread. I was just browsing through the net and decided to see what was new in AA-land. I'll be joining you for furhter reading in the future. And, Joyce, if you're reading, here's to you!!


Member: Doris B H
Location: N W  in U S
Date: 28 Mar 1998
Time: 22:35:25

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Amy in Switzerland, I am going to be there on probably Wed or Thurs of next week. Where do you live. I m flying to munick in the a m. I especially want to see some nice horses. I am a horse nut and have horses of my own. I have mustangs and my mare is about to foal. She should foal in 3 weeks. I'll check back late tonite and hope to have a message from Amy. Doris Blue Horse in America


Member: Jo F.
Location: Ga
Date: 28 Mar 1998
Time: 22:35:56

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Hello! Hmmm... First time checking this out, pretty cool! especially since I'm new to this area and their is not alot of meetings here. I'll be checking in again soon. God Loves Ya!