Member: Curtis M.
Location: Boise, Id
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 01:03:55
Curtis M. Alcoholic. Enjoyed everones jokes. Really needed some humour. Fell in my pity pot past weekend. Thankfully only filled with water. Got feeling too good about myself as of late. Got the old feelings of doubt and self loathing. Anyway, got to a meeting today. Page 106 in, "As Bill sees it was read in the meeting." That & some hugs from fellow sufferers really helped. Thanks for letting me share. ROBERT B. I'm getting tired of grey days. Any more rain here in Les Bois & think we better start lining up 2x2 and looking for the ark. Curtis M. Alcoholic
Member: Jim R.
Location: Chgo
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 01:15:06
Hey, saltlick!... yeah you, jrr... got an event tomorrow...need you to cut me some pvc... doin' a nice lil' Risotto Tower w/Roasted Corn Ratatouille topped with Grilled Polenta and Sizzled Leeks...I might let you help me plate up...
Oh, I might not be as cutting edge as you, you ballcap-touting pepper-pants-wearing, Soho Geek... I wouldn't let you expedite my laundry.
I'll tell you, pally... I Might of learned from the Old School... but present my fare with simple eloquence and intense flavors... None of that bullshit rosemary-tree garnish for me...the plates the thing... the garnish is the plate... and is palatable... none of that two-foot-tall-I-put-a-fork-on-it-and-it-crumbles-in-my-lap-presentation for me, cheffie boy!
Tell me, mandoline-lick... You can't deny Uncle Auggie's influence if you were classically trained... there's no inventing the wheel in this business... it's all borrowed and shared... just like the program. Take what you want...leave the rest.
You sound like one of those CIA clones...or worse, Johson and Whales clowns... first thing you probably did out of school was buy a pair of clogs, some faggety pepper pants, and an "Eat ME" Ballcap...and you probably wear the thing backwards just like some "jerky boy chefling"... "let's see... I think I'll invent a sauce... burn some garlic... throw in some purple tomatoes from a hippy-farm in ohio... add some a'dose finocchios'... maybe a little basilico... a little dried red pepper... some olivada... a bit of asiago... and bamm! I invented Purple Putenesca.
Besides that... how are you?
Excuse me folks... Chefs in recovery... it could get ugly.
Member: Suzanne H
Location: Ontario Canada
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 01:19:08
MaRY w, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your mom...take care friend..love ya
Member: Jim R.
Location: Chgo
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 01:27:59
Good pick up, Danny... You got game! Listen to that boy in texas, Suicidal/Hell! Hope you make the right decision... Life's better!
Member: Butch
Location: Southside
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 01:34:37
Hey Mush,
Hi y'all! It's a wild ride... sometimes things aren't what they seem. I'll shut up now! Goodnite!
Butch
Member: Sundance
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 01:37:33
Sundance here, and I'd just like to say that I did not drink today.
Oh yea and thank you for sharing your refined knowledge with use Jrr. Coward!!!
Sundance
Member: davethegreat 9/8/81
Location: bimini
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 01:47:23
Excuse me please, I don't want anyone to mistake me for my good friend Jim R from looser ville(LOL) so I will not use the language that I would really like to use toward the looser that labels herself "Not a db fan." If you are not a her you should be one. You also have absolutely NO SENSE OF HUMOR. You jump to conclusions before doing any research whatsoever. You are really a classic example of an untreated alkie, when did you drink last, anyway??? OH, I'm terribly sorry to hear that! I do hope you don't have to drink again over your resentment for me,,, unless you really want to.
If you would have looked at the 9th line in the 3rd paragraph on page 99 and read the only complete sentence in that line BEFORE flaming my wife and I you would have been able to avoid making a complete ass out of yourself. Have you looked it up yet?? Oh, you say you can't read and the only reason you can take part here is that you have a speech program that reads and types for you. Well I'm truely sorry to hear about your handicap and happy that you have a program that allows you to look like a fool in front of the entire world.
Now do realize, I am having a great deal of fun here because you have given me an invite to do so by repetativly flaming me on this board. If you have any honor at all you will cease and desist or continue your assult on me via email so the newcomers to this site aren subjected to your BS. Get real, quit being a coward and reveal your chickenshit self to me. Whatsamatter afraid of little old me or are you still doing everything you can to distroy the integrity of the CP as a meeting place for alkies that want to get better. At a F2F you know you would have already been escorted out the door and asked to stay away until you had a desire to stop drinking. Ready to email me yet little darlin???
Now for Zane. C'mon man. I am the ultimate space hog but never, I said NEVER have I ever obsessively and compulsively, way beyond all control whatever tried to take over this forum in the way that you have. Which step are you working when you post 12 or 15 times in one day Zane. Is this the same thing as sharing 6 times in the same 1 hour meeting where there are 20 other folks that would like to share?? If you would like Zane I will build a website for you on Tripod or Geocities or Zoom and you can post it to the search engines and publish your views on the damn thing to your hearts content. Hell come here and post your URL and a one liner about the newest chapter of your views being on line now and anyone that wants to come read them can just zip right over that way. You will probably get thousands of hits everyday. Give it a rest buddy, use email, use the phone like a good sponsor should. LOL. You should have already told everybody what is located in the 9th line, 3rd paragraph, page 99, the only complete sentence.
abonded@srv.net is the place for any malcontent that can't handle my magnificence to lodge their petty, mean nothing complaints. I will answer all your useless, whiney, whimpery, sniveling, poor imitations of jrr, Dee, Jonh Mc and anyone else whose primary purpose here is to cause trouble and run the newcomer off.
Yours in service and just a tad of residual anger that is fading fast as I hit the submit button
Member: Rhia W
Location: Atlanta
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 01:51:32
Hi Ya'll! Rhia, alkie/addict & my problem is me...
Aw right, gals - please don't leave me out - hope i make the size requirements - a lil tall at 5'5", but only 110 soakin wet, small enuff to double up?? whadya say - hunh, hunh, can i come too? pul-leezzee!! got my BigBook, but i don't carry a purse - would a backpack filled w/MCSE books substitute? Ooh, & i'll bring my 2x4 - the 1 my HP likes to hit me between the eyes w/when i get too far out into 'me' territory! (well, when i ask for a 'sign', HP takes me seriously! learnin to be Real careful what i wish for!! LOL)
Member: Newsflash
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 02:06:13
Holy shit bubba word has it that Zane is a nutball, a manic depressive with a multiple personality disorder, and is collecting disability in Louisiana. But he reads good.
later
Member: Bill J. 12 19 75
Location: Kingsville Texas
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 02:09:13
Suicide: a permante solution to a temporary problem.
Zane; I worked the first 9 steps in the first year but had to do 4 and 5 three or four times because I kept remembering things that I left out the first time. I had dreams of drinking for many years. The first time it scared me and I ask my Doctor at the time about it. (A recovering alcoholic who at the time was running a USN treatment center and 10 years sober)He told me not to worry about them and they could last up to 10 years. They lasted a long time and if I had thought it would be a subject of discussion I would have kept better track. If your program is working please don't change it but for Gods sake don't tell me I have to do it your way. I have several friends in this program who have been drug and alcohol counslers for 25 years and they tell me we each have to work our own program and if it works for us don't fix it. I'm glad you have it all togeather at 2+ years hell the fog didn't clear in my first 2 years even thought I had become a expert at everything and a Doctor on top of it. At five years I had a lady (I was about to tell to quit her medication) have a seizure setting next to me and that experience convenced me that I was not qualified to be a Doctor. AA has not qualified me to be a Lawyer either. I care about you and it scares me when people get their heads too far up in the clouds for the air is thin up there and the fall is hard. Love to you and all my cyber friends Thanks Christine M.
Member: Mrellan H 7-20-92
Location: Silverdale, WA
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 02:48:29
Hi, Mrellan alcoholic/addict. It sure is getting a little thick around here isn't it?! Isn't there something in the traditions about "...practice these principles in ALL our affairs." In other words, as long as you act sick, talk sick and write sick you will stay sick. I don't mean to be a Pollyanna but what purpose does it serve to be mean and angry? I don't know about you but I spent a lot of years drinking away rightous anger and some not so rightous anger. Until I could start treating myself with a little respect I couldn't give it to someone else.
Okay, enough of my opinion! Goddess bless you all and thanks for helping me to stay sober for one more day!!
Member: Zane C.
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 02:53:23
DAVE: Please take this exactly as it's written: Why don't you just continue to bitch and just leave me alone to share with the folks who ask me to do so?
Try that.
Member: Mouse
Location: Surrey B.C.
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 03:43:54
Mouse here triple dipping sorry, not.....
I don't do this very offten... So I will tonight Sorry tech's.... Well at least it's not the new commers....
Suicide.... My friend, you have gotten some good stuff here, and Living for me is were it's at today... I too felt that way, as I'm sure allot of people here have... There came a point in my using days that I felt if I just died, everyone around me would be better off, 1 because I couldn't hurt them anymore.... 2 I didn't want to hurt inside anymore, evern though I had family, I had NO friends, and I was very lonely... I tried to do myself in on many occassions. The last time was when I was in Jail..... but. The Creator kept sending me back. I was not finished what I was to do here..... I don't know why I'm here but I am... I was fighting inside myself, and did for a few years after I became sober/clean..... The first day I ever felt that I wanted to live was when I laid my husband to rest, My youngest son went to him in his casket..... put his hand into a fist, then knocked on his head.... and said gees Mom dad's heads hard..... at that point in his little life he had lost so many people.... My dad was soon to follow.... After that day, wich by the way, was almost 3 years to the day of the death of my daughter,[ one of the losses he had to deal with as did I] I laid him to rest Easter sunday 1993, the very next day I placed myself into a detox..... Seeing that, was when I thought I did want to live that I wasnot going to be there..... The other side of the coin..... May 1998....the loss of my dear friend and co-worker. Finding him, was something I was not ready for so the Creator would not let me open the door. 2 days later he was found.... he had allot to live for. but I knew how he felt... I have had allot of losses in these past 6 years that I have been around theses rooms. But my greatest loss was when I lost myself.... because I could not see what I had. I got stoned & drunk to hide the pain. The key word was hide..... today I don't have to hide anymore... I have more then I ever could dream of.....and you can too. if you choose to live...... The pain dose go away. though you can't see it. It dose, but all wounds take time to heal. I had to think about what I was going to say to you.... but felt that sharing my own life might help better then, the book words of wisdom.... I do love you, and will for How ever long it takes.... For you to love yourself...and thats the way it is and will be.....
Yours Friend always Mouse
Member: jrr
Location: harmony on the lake
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 03:58:27
there ya go jim you turd.. now that almost sounds like real food.. the first one.. evidently you are somewhat intimidated by me.. no bother. .. i happen to feel the same about the sissy frou frou kids these days.. who have the albumen count of a 38 hour old egg but fold under pressure.. and thier ridiculous outfits.. we had this one yarmoulk who i swear i thought he was kidding.. the outfit you described.. and a puffy hat with a yellow bandanna.on his neck.. . damn.. not even a squareknot.. some frilly looking scrunchie-looking deal like the kids wear in there hair at the mall.. i almost died.. then idiot boy burns a whole 8 lb sack of Arborio.. . i mean crissakes.. the little bastard said he knew what it was.. by time anyone noticed.. him being downstairs in the banquet prep.. that shit looked like oatmeal, with brown speckles in it.. damn.. i think he was CIA.. .. though the kids I usually take for externships from Johnson and Wales are not that bad.. some serious gals.. but i would stick with a willing dishwasher who wants to learn anyday.. at least you have the loyalty factor.. once you get them fully trained.. they stick around.. ok.. jimmy crocker. .. don't burn your risotto.. damn.. no wonder you are such an asshole.. now it all makes sense.. email any more crap.. Chefhumble@aol.com... what else could it be? newbies.. stick around.. this deal does work. peace, jrr
Member: Geri W
Location: Va
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 05:32:43
Hi family. Geri, a very grateful alcoholic here. Now ladies - the ride is getting out of hand. I don't want to be left out. We might not accomplish anything, but boy won't we have fun? Mary, me and the Big Guy have you in our arms. We'll carry you through this.
Zane, little brother, I can't help but be concerned for you. Don't you know there are no prophet's in their own land? Seriously, are you bipolar?(nothing to be ashamed of, BTW). Your posts often remind me of the rapid cycle episodes I've witnessed. Your need to help is admirable and I appreciate it, but take care of yourself. Hot flame burns out quickly. You are in this for the long haul. Your sense of urgency is overwhelming - and doesn't seem to be in keeping with living the calm, serene life. Just a word of caution from someone who cares.
Everyone else in the family, have a great 24. Hugs.
Member: Glen H
Location: TX
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 06:04:28
Whyizzit some feel the need to explain...justify...explain again...justify again. Uncomfortable?
The truth stands up all by itself and needs no defending.
Member: rose
Location: georgia
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 06:06:57
morning rose alki here
just like to thank everybody for helping it "pass" and giving me a better attitude. JULIE you really changed my feeliing that day telling me i was right on track for a alki, normal things happening to me new in sobriety, OBSESSING, you are so right, needed to hear it put that way. So true. I would love to have the desire "lifted" as you say, a "miracle." I will keep you in my prayers and hope God guides you this week and holds you safe and warm. lol
Thanks cat98 for advise...you gave me hope the weeks are as good to me as they were to you.
Thanks RF from Texas...SLIP..Sobriety Lost Its Priority...good one you are exactly right on the money.
Oh, Sheryl, im from Roswell noticed were neighbors.
BILL...thanks for input, maybe aa is not for me, maybe i need to just talk with hubby, you, etc. dont know, new to aa, not sure, things definately changed for me the first meeting i attended, given me valuable info. Its not that the time was so fun back then that i want that back, its just i crave so bad at 4pm, i think it is just when i am too tired, stessed. Just trying to stay sober is all i know, being honest. Thanks. lol.
Time to start another day without hangover!!!!!!!!!!! love rose
Member: Laurie C.
Location: Meriden CT
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 07:17:21
Morning all, Laurie C, Classic alcoholic here, well day 15....half a damn milestone for me.....after feeling really lousy yesterday about EVERYthing, went to my mtg, one another book, and then got a free taxi ride home....thanks God, I needed those little signs. Yesterday was hard for me, I really was wanting to drink but just kept letting time go by 5 minutes at a time until I could get to my mtg. Talked alot to God yesterday, guess He heard me......in His own way ....at least I think so. Thank you God, please help me through yet another day, please don't let me drink today, and thank you for letting me feel MUCH better today. Others my think they are not signs to me of all that happened and was said to me last nite or this morning for that matter but I do. Thanks God. Good day all.
L.
Member: Marv B.
Location: Texas.
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 08:13:34
Response to Sandi S., Vista Ca. Regarding your story of trying to help and get help for a family member, I can identify with every esperience you are going through. I belong to two programs. I belong to Alcoholics Anonymous for my support in maintaining Sobriety. I also belong to Al-anon which helps me keep my sanity while living with a family member who suffers from Alcholism and who causes me to become equally as Ill from the disease. 15 Years I went through what you are experiencing, thinking my family member needed and wanted to attend AA because he always said he needed and wanted to. He knew I had many years sobriety, and I knew I could help. I did the things like contact someone who would be good for him. I took him in, deciding he needed my help to structure his life. I gotter sicker. 2 years ago, out of sheer desparation, I went to Al-anon and learned to let the family member go and give that famkily member to God. 8 weeks ago, that family member decided to accept help and direction, has completed 6 weeks of treatment, is now enrolled in a long term structured living program, and I'm so grateful that my son has made some choices for his life that both he and I are proud of. We could not help him as family members. We could not make him go to AA even when he said he wanted to, because we alcoholics lie. We say one thing and do another. We lead other family member to think we are serious. We're not. We make other family mambers so concerned because they know only too well that we have to be responsible. We won't be. Our family member found his own way to the 12 steps of AA after we learned the art of loving detachment through Al-anon. Now he and I can attend AA meetings together. I have my sobriety, he has his, and we are closer than we'd ever been. Your family member who you feel wants and needs help can best be served with my prayers, your prayers and your loving support and working through the sister program of AA for yourself and other family members called Al-anon.
Member: Teri F.
Location: Marion, Ohio
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 08:20:23
Good morning all....
Rose---AA IS for you if you have a desire to stop drinking and want to live a happy, peaceful, serene life. You are doing great. Just keep coming back!
Glen----Amen.
Curtis---Thanks for sharing. This deal does work, huh?
Zane---Please get a grip friend. We've all probably been where you are right now--although maybe not quite to the extreme you are. The Big Book tells us we should share in a GENERAL way what we were like, what happened, and what we are like today. I can't remember if it was Bill W. or Dr. Bob (I'm sure you have BOTH speeches commited to memory) who stressed how vitally important it was to the survival of our fellowship to "Keep it Simple". Your enthusiasm for this program is very admirable. I'm sure your "dozens" of sponsees will walk on water if they follow your path. But PLEASE Zane, post your e-mail address so those who SEEK your counsel can read your words of wisdom at their leisure. I hope this helps.
Hope you all have a wonderful day.
Love and hugs to all..........
Member: Allan G.
Location: Jackson N.J.
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 08:27:27
Good Morning Allan alcoholic one recurring theme Which the people in my A.A. world talk about is on p19 in BB "Amuch more important demonstration of our principles lies before usin our respective homes,occupations,and affairs". I need to treat my family as well as I will treat a newcommer into the rooms if my daughter needs me to pick her up I should do so as freely a driving a drunk to a meeting. Thank GOD I have a sponcer who tells me these thing and also practices them they are easy to say and sometimes not so easy to do. Also to suicidal if you come to A.A. and the thoughts persist please seek profesional help we are not doctors we are just drunks triing to stay stay sober one day at a time. If I dont take this site or myself to seriously I find it amusing this little war going on some of the comments are actually funny but I was taught to stick to the message of recovery and mind my own buissness one last thought for the day THANK GOD FOR A.A. it has provided me with a way of living that is beyond any way I thought posible as long as I dont pick up the first drink and work the 12steps. Thanks for being here for this drunk this morning
Member: rose
Location: georgia
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 08:38:07
good morning again its rose
Laurie C, I just want you to know that your share March 1 was one of the most beautiful shares I have ever heard! THANK YOU!!! You GO girl! If thats not God working your life then I don't know what is. AA I guess. Thats a great idea to feel like were SPECIAL! I'm going to RUN with the idea today. Marvelous! We could be special because God made us special because he didnt want us to drink. Maybe so that we will be open to hearing Him. And I am with you, I know there are signs. The first meeting i went to, scared all that, wondering if what i should do, i couldnt sleep and got up and grabbed a devotional i have, and it opened to a page for that very day that said, let others help you, it is through them that is the grace of God! Thank you for helping me remember that moment. I also want Laurie to know I admire your success girl, you see, I am on day 10! love rose have another special/sober day everybody!
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 09:10:48
GERI AND TERI:
Have you, perchance, heard of CODA?
Extra Sincerely,
Zane
And Geri? As you're in the business of diagnosis via internet, I have an old Jag XJ 6 with an electrical problem. Can you go ahead and run it down for me and email me the correct wiring schematics? Thanks.
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 09:13:55
And here's a suggestion: So very simple to follow:
1.Make a list of everything you don't like about what I say, write, do, etc.
2. Go work on it until you understand it.
Member: Laurie C.
Location: Meriden CT
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 09:15:56
Thanks Rose, and don't kid yourself, day 10 hell day 1 not drinking is an accomplishment so congrats .... yeah yesterday blew my mind, it was just so wierd, and I sure needed it thats for sure.! you sound like you're ganna have a good day today so I'm glad. thanks again.
L.
Member: david b 9/8/81
Location: bimini
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 09:43:11
"OBVIOUSLY, NO RULE CAN BE LAID DOWN."
The above line is from the Big Book - line 9 - paragraph 3 - page 99 - the only complete sentence. This is what happens when quotes are taken out of context. Go see for yourselves.
By the way chatty cathy my mail box is still empty.
david
Member: Art P.
Location: New Bern
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 09:44:42
Strange how a person can ask to be left alone to share him wisdom with those "who ask for it", can also be the same person who can draw nonexsisting factors, and expand them into lengthly diatribes when others share about themselves. Keep coming back. (God, I shouldn't have said that!) LOL!!!! (See what happens when the posts are short, and I don't scroll fast enough?)
This is a program of suggestion, not dictation, we are all here because we are not all there. No one has elected me to Sainthood, and might I add; I'm the great guy. However I do make mistakes, so they probably won't call me St. Arthur, but that's ok. I didn't drink today, and went to a meeting yesterday, talked to, and helped another drunk. And more importantly, I plan on going to a meeting tonight. But not the business meeting taking place tonight, at the place where I attend 7-8 meetings a week. Their all geared up for a debate to make all meetings there non-smoking. The reason that I don't join that group and get involved in their debate is simple. They don't need another boss! If they pass a resoultion, and it's within traditions, I go along with group conscious. That keeps me out of the fray. And I am blessed with the scroll bar at this site to do the same. People do what people do, and my job is to let them. It's a tough job, but I got big shoulders.
I might butcher this but it goes some thing like:
"All people dream. But not equally. Those who dream by night, in rusty recesses of thier minds wake to find in the broad light of day; that it was all vanity.
But those who dream by day are the dangerous ones; for they with eyes wide open may act and make their dreams possible." T.S. Elliott
May all your dreams be sweet, just because you dreamed it, don't mean you did it. Or a lot of us would be in trouble. lol
DON'T DRINK AND GO TO MEETINGS!!!!!!!
God bless all us sick puppy/ette's
Member: Julie V
Location: Groovetown
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 09:46:30
Member: Julie
Location: Groovetown
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 09:54:44
Hi There,
Just got arround to exploring this site. I'm impressed! When my sponsor gave me this link, I had not a clue what I would find. All kinds of people, all kinds of happy, sad, silly, and wondergul stuff.
One thing stands though, we are all just human and wanting a piece of this miracle called sobriety.
Zane, I was totally in awe concerning your ammends, and thank you for sharing with all of us.
Looking foreward to seeing you and Jen next week. Keep up the good work...Julie
Member: Margo
Location: Texas
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 10:01:54
Good MORNING fellowship. How are ya'll? It gets better.. and worse.. and better.. .. what a ride !
Member: Pierre S.
Location: Grapevine Tx
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 10:06:48
If you don't respond to him he may just ascend off into heaven.
Publishing a list of names, places , dates etc. of amends so that we "non-believers" can verify his authenticity is the absolute extreme in self centeredness.
Well said, Teri... and Glen . . . as tempting as it is, you know what happens when you go for the"bait" !
Love and prayers to all.
Member: Paul B
Location: Cambridge,Ontario
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 10:07:58
A little bit of humour anyone?
Frank was excited about his new rifle. So, he went bear hunting. He spotted a small brown bear and shot it. There was then a tap on his shoulder, and he turned round to see a big black bear. The black bear said "You've got two choices. I either maul you to death or we have sex." Frank decided to bend over. Even though he felt sore for two weeks,Frank soon recovered and vowed revenge. He headed out on another trip where he found the black bear and shot it. There was another tap on his shoulder.This time a huge grizzly bear stood right next to him. The grizzly said "That was a huge mistake, Frank. You've got two choices. Either I maul you to death or we'll have rough sex." Again, Frank thought it was better to comply. Although he survived,it would take several months before Frank finally recovered. Outraged he headed back to the woods, managed to track down the grizzly and shot it. He felt sweet revenge, but then there was a tap on his shoulder. He turned round to find a giant polar bear standing there. The polar bear said "Admit it, Frank, you don't come here for the hunting, do you?"
God Bless
Member: Robert B.
Location: Boise Idaho
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 10:10:51
Good Morning Earthlings and alien visitors. My name is Robert and I am an alcoholic. Also deadhead, wharfrat, and nethead, former cook and unrepentent critic of the extreme right.
Picture in your minds a squad of heavy metal thundering Harleys straddled by fun-loving angry women armed with a blue library contained in volumnious purses. Attilla would have done a 180 and horded back to the Gobi. It is a vision that could make a drunk dream seem hospitable.
Having contrived to change the subject, after 15 years I still have an occaisional drunk dream. They are a gift for me, because in them I am always reminded of just how I drank. There is no glass of wine, no social cocktail, no happy partying, no euphoric recall. In my dreams that I can remember, as in my drinking that I can remember, it's a jug of rum, drink from the bottle, alone somewhere, wallow in self-pity, passout. They are rare these days, but I'm still grateful--wonderful reminders of how it was. I'm sorry Zane but here's a couple of facts about dreaming. It comes from the subconcious. Most people dream a signicant amount of the time they sleep, few people remember dreams unless they go out of their way to train their recall. I wrote a paper on the topic in college. One of the most interesting things is the fact that dream content is rarely significant, except when the significance is obvious.
Hey Curtis, I was going to lay the keel here in the yard, but the land lord wanted a reservation. Tread water! sez I.
It is true. I cooked and baked for 12 years. Never once aspired to chef-hood. Much more concerned with good eating than with playing with the decor. Always thought Phil Hartman's Anal Retentive Chef was too true for comedy. But I see we have those anal expulsive sorts too.
Peace
Member: NOT DB FAN
Location: all points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 10:18:47
Admitting he may be somewhat at fault, he is sure that other people are more to blame. He becomes angry, indignant, self-pitying. what is his basic trouble? is he not really a self-seeker even when trying to be kind? Is he not a victim of the delusion that he can wrest satisfaction and happiness out of this world if he only manages well? is it not evident to all the rest of the players that these are the things he wants? And do not his actions make each of the wish to retaliate, snatching all they can get out of the show?
Is he not, even in his best moments, a producer of confusion, rather than harmony?
Our actor is self-centered ego-centric...
useless, whiney, whimpery, sniveling, poor imitations
Member: Deanna E.
Location: Texas
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 10:59:37
More humor:
At Sunday School they were teaching how God created everything, including human beings.
Little Johnny a child in the kindergarten class, seemed especially intent when they told him how Eve was created out of one of Adam's ribs.
Later in the week his mother noticed him lying down as though he were ill, and said, "Johnny what is the matter?"
Little Johnny responded, "I have a pain in my side. I think I'm going have a wife."
Deanna E. here and I an an alcoholic. 23 days sober today and am attending meetings on a regular basis. Happy sobriety all!
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 11:00:56
NOT DB FAN:
You nailed him. Enough already?
Please. We are supposed to be here to help, not hurt or hinder.
If any person can show me where I've told THEM what to share, how many words, diagnosed them with mental disorders, or told them to stop sharing their ESH, could someone please tell me?
I can't recall doing anything of this nature.
Thank you to those who are using me as their Higher Power, but I assure you, I am not worthy.
Yours in service,
Zane
Member: Julie F.
Location: Cornfields of Indiana
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 11:05:34
Hey, all! I'm Julie, and I'm an alcoholic.
Can't you just feel the love in here? I can't keep putting myself through this. Loving others should be a by-product living sober and serene.
Much love to you all!
Member: Feyd R.
Location: Geidi Prime
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 11:17:25
ZANE: Thank you for the detailed reply. I appreciate you sharing your ES&H on the subject of amends. However, I'm more interested in your general views rather than the specifics of how many miles you traveled, days it took, etc. And I certainly don't feel a need to authenticate your story. Unless I have reason to believe otherwise, I assume you are telling me the truth.
I'll tell you where my thinking goes on this subject and you may then choose to reply or not. I think some amends take a long time, because we must "...go out to our fellows and REPAIR the damage done in the past" (BB, emphasis added). For example, I don't think an amends has been completed until the debt is paid off. I think it will take YEARS to make amends to certain family members who I spent YEARS harming with my behavior. (BB: "Yes, there is a long period of reconstruction ahead"). Amends take many forms. For example, agreeing to go to marriage counseling and encouraging my wife to join me in a Couples in Recovery group was one of many ways I made amends to her. I didn't think that just getting sober was enough (BB: "Sometimes we hear an alcoholic say that the only thing he needs to do is to keep sober. Certainly he must keep sober, for there will be no home if he doesn't. But he is yet a long way from making good to the wife or parents whom for years he has so shockingly treated"). Some amends may take my lifetime. And far from being a matter of wallowing in guilt over past misdeeds, I'm grateful for that: it reminds me to treat the people who I love the most, and who I hurt the worst, as best as I can. It makes me a better person - less selfish and more compassionate (BB: "The spiritual life is not a theory. We have to live it"). I've heard some oldtimers say that eventually all amends are made, but I've never heard any of the oldtimers say all amends were done quickly. I think the words "whenever possible" are important in this step, as is the word "willing" in the 8th Step. It's impossible to make amends to dead people IMO, so, as BB page 83 says, "We don't worry about them if we can honestly say to ourselves that we would right them if we could." If I make a reasonable, good faith effort to track someone down and can't, and if I remain willing to make amends if and when I ever see that person again, I think I'm practicing the principles (my HP has a way of bringing such people into my life in time.)
The main section of the BB that I think supports this view starts in the middle of page 82 ("If we have no such complication...") and ends on page 83 right before the Promises. Most of the above quotes are taken from there - all are taken from the Chapter 6 discussion of Steps 8&9.
Ciao 4 niao
Member: dreamon
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 11:43:46
Sheryl, Wake up you must be dreaming again, God help us you a nurse!I would not trust your screwed up thinking to get an order of coffee and toast right,please let us know where you are because your head sure is on a pink cloud now.
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 11:47:34
Feyd,
Thanks for your thoughts. I appreciate everything you said. Yes, I'd like to respond, despite those who think they need to script our diaglogue for us.
Feyd,
I can't do any more with the folks I paid off. I am friends with many of them now, and as for the governmental and law enforcement agencies, I think I have done all I can.
I wasn't married at the time, and didn't have a spouse for ten years after ex-wife number four. I don't think I can continually call the one ex-wife who won't talk to me, since she's told me she'll file harassment charges against me if I call again.
I have stuck by all the family who want anything to do with me.
I don't know about amends to dead folks. I know you said it's not possible, but in the realm I now live, I believe God can accomplish some amazing feats, and therefore spoke with Him in prayer about those persons who had died, and therefore were beyond "direct amends." I have to trust that I've done all I can.
I know my amends process sounds extreme, and at times unbelievable. The reason I authenticated those persons was not for you, but instead for the newcomer who might see how absolutely dedicated I was to attaining freedom, in the hopes he would see the one thing I wish to demonstrate about how the steps healed me: I am afraid of nothing.
One of my greatest gifts, achieved through the 12 Steps...is the absence of fear of anything any human being, bar none, can do to me over my past.
I meant only to show living proof that there is a certain peace in knowing that no matter how fearful the amends Steps may be to the newcomer, they ultimately result in true freedom from bondage when worked to the best of one's ability. Feyd, perhaps I was so desperate to be thorough because I did not want to drink again. I did what the man said. I cannot question the results, friend.
They are miraculous.
Thanks for writing, and I appreciate your sharing your thoughts with me.
Yours sincerely,
Zane
Member: nightmareon
Location: Elm Street
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 11:50:47
dreamon: better a pink cloud than the black cloud you're under.
Member: Eric H.
Location: Harbor Island group, Larchmont NY, refer all hate posts to this address
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 11:56:53
Eric Alkie.
Thank you God.
You know, I want to get in pissing contest, but I damaged my bladder out there, so I guess God has other plans.
Sad, the newcomers here make so much more sense to me here. At least they are dealing with real life. This other junk is downright offensive. Already chased away three good people that I have met here. I keep mulling in my mind what the hell is going on. Like a damn soap opera, the thing is it is real life. I'm just really saddened by all the junk this AM, guess I am not sick enough to enjoy it. Not whatevah, I pray for you this AM.
Just talking to Karen right now. Her cousin has MS, and she has just entered a facility, she can't take care of herself, and her partner is just so burnt out. Karen has really given her all this last month to Erin, and it has taken a toll. It is tough to watch, but we are still very close, and I am grateful to be here for her to talk to. Tells me that is what she will miss most, being able to talk to me, really open up. I am good for that I suppose.
No room on the Harley for men I see. That's okay, if we got lost i wouldn't ask for directions anyway, typical man.
Proud of you newcomers, dammit, making much sense.
Lily....report in please. Look like the women are forming a MC....BB Slammers perhaps? Mouse as leader of the pack. Christene as enforcer. I am going to watch my posting for cripes sake.
Member: Feyd R.
Location: Geidi Prime
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 12:25:59
ZANE: I'll try to make this short so as not to monopolize the CP with a discussion that may be more suitable for e-mail.
You have said you can learn from anyone and I suspect we share a belief in the importance of maintaining a "beginner's mind". So I will presume to share a perspective with you that can really only be gained through experience, i.e. length of time in the program. (I do not want to engage in the "Quality" vs. "Quantity" argument. I readily concede that I have often taken a softer, easier way than you have.)
You may find that people who you thought were unapproachable will come back into your life somewhere, someway, somehow. The ex who won't talk to you now is a good example of such a possibility. If and when the day comes that she comes back into your life somehow, however briefly or tangentially, there is still time to make amends. Now whether you want to call this 9th Step work or 12th Step work ("practicing these principles") is irrelevant IMO, just as I think it's irrelevant whether you call making amends to someone you've harmed in sobriety 9th Step work or 10th Step work. It's the principle involved, not the step number involved, that counts. Also, you may find that you did damage that you are not yet aware of. The 12yo son you mentioned may be such a possibility. The point I'm making here is that there is no statute of limitations on making amends. As my sons have grown up, and have on occasion (thankfully rare) exhibited some of the classic problems associated with being children of alcoholics/dysfunctional families, I have been able to make amends, i.e. help to "repair the damage done". Now whether you call this 9th Step work, 12th Step work, or simply good parenting is irrelevant. For me, it helps to think of it as 9th Step work. Maybe, quite probably actually, my thinking will change someday. But for now, that's what works for me.
P.S. I know many people who've made graveside amends. Wasn't criticizing it, just not within the realm of my spiritual/religious beliefs.
Adieu 2 yieu
Member: john mc
Location: u.k.
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 12:35:38
To Duncan R.E.Step 10; This is how old C. Snyder did his; " Every night when l lie down in bed, the last thing before l go to sleep, l have my little Prayer Time. l think about what l've done today. Sometimes l'm not too proud of some of the things l've done today. And sometimes l am. lf l'm proud of something l did, l give myself credit.." you're a good boy today, you did alright there".lf l have'nt, lf l owe somebody an apology, l try to do it, l try to take care of it as soon as possible. This is what the Tenth Step means to me. This keeps those little things from growing into big things lt's the little things that kill us, lt's not the big things. Theres not too many big things happen to too many of us, but every day of our life there's numerous little things that we have to contend with and those are the things that really throw us. So that Tenth Step keeps us conscious of how we're conducting ourselves every day, straightening out the things as we go along. Things won't build up on us that way. lt's great insurance, it's a great way to live . lt really is. You might know that, most of you. Some of you probably don't". What's the big message for this alkie: lf l take care of the little things with Step Ten, they don't grow to be big things (resentments). lf l do Step Ten on a daily basis l need never have another resentment, ever. lf l've been thorough in Step 9, on a daily basis l need not make another ammend, just a simple apology. R.E. Revisiting step 4,. To quote Joe Mc Q " The point of step 4 is to highlight our grosser defects" not all of them!! R.E. Criticising the 12X12. l can't, because l have'nt read it. What l do criticise, constructively, is how it is used at Step meetings, it's not A.A. it's Bills interpretive commentary, no more no less. l doubt his motives Dr. Bob reckoned it would only confuse things, allegedly, l can't verify that Glen but it's not hard to imagine it, can you verify your comments R.E. the guy in the first edition! Do we need to verify everything we say!?? As far as this programme goes l think so, if only for the sake of the newcomer! People complain about people making public replies to public comments made on this board, why. Let me ask you this, if l respond in private can l post your reply on the C.P. lf not, why not. R.S.V.P. You never know who's listening. Hi Zane, sounds like you and Jennifer have a pretty dynamic thing going on there, good luck to you both, are you both Paul Simon fans!? and Duncan, if l ever get to grace the U.S.A. with my presence and undoubted genius "your" meeting will be the first one l visit, just to make sure your doing it correctly of course. Probably drop in on my way to Texas to "sort out" that Jo Ann.B. P.S. Clarence Snyder was not a co-founder as l stated earlier, he was a founder member.
Member: Corinne B.
Location: CA
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 12:37:22
God Bless the Situation on this CP!! Corinne, Alcoholic here, there & everywhere!
I'm reminded of my first home group in Merritt Island, FL, where we had a particular member who had grave emotional and mental disorders. Constantly made a mess of things in various & sundry ways. Well, at the end of the lease on that bldg., the whole group moved and wouldn't give that member the new meeting location. Tho' once the new mtg guides were printed up, that member did finally find it, and through many more resentments, another group was formed in town, and eventually, several more. I myself used to avoid mtgs so as not to run into this one or that one, and here I'm scrolling alot more than I'm reading of late, so I'm am going to take my leave. I've signed on with an E-Mail Women's group which has a caveat of "no slamming" and "no taking of another's inventory." (BTW, in BB's "The Vicious Cycle" story, it is told how the early members did indeed take each others' inventories quite often!) I found it through http://alcoholism.miningco.com for anyone interested - they also have men's e-mail groups, as well as a site much akin to this one, tho' it is not well travelled as yet.
I found myself waking this morning not feeling good about the way I posted last evening - I was just trying to be silly but know that some of my words were sarcastic and that is one of my major character defects that I find hardest to shake. I offer amends to anyone I offended.
This CP was so wonderful when I first logged on back in November 1998 and so I will check in with you from time to time, scrolling past some posts, as needed. I wish all the newcomers, and oldtimers alike, all the best, and pray you each reach your highest good.
To Kerry, Sheryl, Teri F., Christine M, & Mouse, I have a friend soon entering the Harley MMI in Florida, so if the machine breaks down under the weight, I've got connections! I offered to bring up the rear, since I was always told I rode well, just went with it on the turns, like I've tried to do here. I feel I'm failing, so need to keep my focus on warming my seat where I find more comraderie than sniping.
One last note, the StayingCyber Discussion & 12&12 Mtg pages keep real focused on topics and adherance to guidelines, and as I am finding I need a bit more discipline these days, I will be spending more time reading there, as I cannot keep up with all three, so the CP is the one I have decided to pass. I came here for the brevity, not the bravado - thanks to Bill J, Art P, Spud, Denise, Sanders, Kerry & David, Karen B., Eric H, Sheryl, Terri O, Teri F., Geri, Bonnie, Connie, Lily, JJulie, and all the rest, for keeping it light, and for sharing gently with all your might!
My E-Mail is kokomoro@yahoo.com
Member: Sam s
Location: kansas
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 12:40:20
MARY....My prayers are with you and yours KERRY& GLENN..........Amen ZANE..........I'm sure you've heard that recovery is a process, not an event. Also, "we strive for progress, not perfection"! C'mon Zane, come down to our level. You know, the REAL world. My understanding is that there was only "ONE" perfect one. Last I knew, you said your name is Zane. I'm appreciative of alot of the things you've shared. I'm glad you are a part of a program. Just which program are you working? The only program I've been directed to work, as far as recovering from alcoholism, is the program of Alcoholics Anonymous. I've learned a host of things in AA, one of them being, how to be humble. Beings how I'm not perfect, I need lessons on humility every now and then. I guess I don't understand why you feel the need to prove yourself to everyone. Is it lack of self-esteem? I'm glad that the only one I personally have to prove myself to today is my HP. Once I've done that in any given situation, I can then act accordingly. Lighten up, man! You've already been accepted as a recovering alcoholic, no better and no worse than anyone on the coffee pot, or in society for that matter. Welcome to the real world Zane, live a little!
Member: Deanna E.
Location: Texas
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 12:58:42
2nd time around
DO IT ANYWAY
PEOPLE ARE OFTEN UNREASONABLE, ILLOGICAL, AND SELF-CENTERED; FORGIVE THEM ANYWAY.
IF YOU ARE KIND, PEOPLE MAY ACCUSE YOU OF SELFISH, ULTERIOR MOTIVES; BE KIND ANYWAY.
IF YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL, YOU WILL WIN SOME FALSE FRIENDS AND SOME TRUE ENEMIES; SUCCEED ANYWAY.
IF YOU ARE HONEST AND FRANK, PEOPLE MAY CHEAT YOU; BE HONEST AND FRANK ANYWAY.
WHAT YOU SPEND YEARS BUILDING, SOMEONE COULD DESTROY OVERNIGHT; BUILD ANYWAY.
IF YOU FIND SERENITY AND HAPPINESS, THEY MAY BE JEALOUS; BE HAPPY ANYWAY.
THE GOOD YOU DO TODAY, PEOPLE WILL OFTEN FORGET TOMORROW; DO GOOD ANYWAY.
GIVE THE WORLD THE BEST YOU HAVE, AND IT MAY NEVER BE ENOUGH; GIVE THE WORLD THE BEST YOU'VE GOT ANYWAY.
YOU SEE, IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND GOD; IT NEVER WAS BETWEEN YOU AND THEM ANYWAY.
Member: Sheryl
Location: Atlanta
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 13:00:00
Rose.. cool (bout being neighbors I mean) and congrats on day 10. If ya ever wanna go to a meeting or even just coffee email me and I will send ya my number. I live in Marietta now but am working in Roswell. That is where my interview is as well. If we catch her on a day off maybe we can even get Rhia to join us.
Not a db fan.. funny that you mentioned that part on page 61..that is the very pages that came to mind when I read what you wrote as well as a couple of others here.
Dreamon...you crack me up, luckily I am quite comfortable with my abilities as a nurse.. didnt take it personally =)..but really now, picking on newcommers ...tsk tsk.
This ride is starting to take on gigantic proportions which btw is way cool..can just see it now!
Well, need more coffee and need to finish the laundry so I can go to work.
Peace
Member: Sheryl
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 13:06:31
Oops sorry rose.. forgot to include address...
cat98@mindspring.com
Member: ..
Location: ..
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 13:41:53
maybe you should watch your 13th stepping instead of your posting; maybe you've run some people off here to.
Member: Rhia W
Location: Atlanta
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 13:51:50
Hi Ya'll - Rhia, alkie/addict & my problem is me....
i know HP is in charge, & looking out for me, but right now it's hard to sort out what i'm supposed to do as the 'next right thing'... don't quite know how to say any of this, so please bare w/the rambling....
woke up this morning to a whole string of ICQs from my 16 yr old - seems he's still severely depressed & getting worse daily, my ex, who he lives w/, doesn't seem to 'get it' (never understood my depression either).... i try sharing my general E,S,& H w/him, but he's so closed off - he quickly retorts that he doesn't drink or drug, so he thinks none of my stuff applies to him... up until the last year or so, he was an honor student looking to go to MIT...
brief background info: in the last year or so, first, i Had to leave that area to find work - was unemployed for 8 months - couldn't even get a job offer from a convenience store (HP wanted me up here, i dunno why~~) - i fought tooth & nail cuz i didn't want to leave my boys, & they didn't want to leave their dad ... next, in rapid succession, his 4 best (actually, only) friends have all moved from 100 to 1000 miles away ... his father has taken in his daughter from another relationship (she's 12 & had a Really hard go of things - not the most, um, easily adjusted to circumstance in the Best of times).... his dad has opened his own biz, working 14 & 16 hr days, 7 days a week....
just a few slightly edited quotes from his messages (edits in []): "I can't get rid of any of it anymore..........I'm forced to live with all this.......and if I'm forced much longer there won't be a me to force......because life sucks....and I don't care about that theory that wait it out and good will come.....because I wait it out and then I get hit harder......ya wanna know my grade in math right now?...a f*cking 15....yeah...I hate it.....but I'm so stressed I can't do anything...." ...
"but I never take my aggression out on anything..no one else deserves to suffer because of me.....I dunno how much longer [friend] will be here....*sighs*.....but with my luck I won't see [friend] again for a very, very long time.....and I know life moves on......but I'm sick of it running over me.....this hurts to much..I'm gonna go cry or something now ... and now you see why I don't believe in a god...."
i've tried repeatedly to talk to him & to my ex..... i've told both of them of a really Good counselor & a good doctor down where they live (250 miles south from me), i've got extra insurance on my boys to pay for counseling & any medication needed.... i try to visit on my off weekends (every 2 weeks)... i've offered numerous times to move my boys up here, but he doesn't think that would change anything, & at 16, the law says it's his choice which parent he lives with...
i dunno what to do or how to help - this situation i'm a bit too close to... i just keep praying, and doing whatever i can from here.... i know i'm powerless over this, but it still hurts like hell...
sorry for dumping, but i Had to get some of this out... usually, i try to walk closer to HP & normally, i'm ok about letting HP handle things - this morning kinda knocked me on my rear... reckon the main thing i'm asking is if ya'll could include my boys in your prayers - thanks for letting me ramble on so long...
Member: Barry L.
Location: Alcoholic
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 13:55:11
I Make a motion that we Eliminate the Coffee Pot Page.
In its current form, I do not feel the Coffee Pot contributes positively to the Primary purpose of The Staying Cyber Site.
A few People have turned this into their personal chat room or Pulpit, disregarding the suggested use of the page, posting constantly creating extra work for the Techs who maintain the site, and denying access to members who should have equal access to this page.
I feel if we keep the Coffee Pot as part of the Site it will be detrimental to the Image of AA Online, and AA as a whole.
This idea for a non meeting discussion page was always contingent upon the people who share here governing themselves, or at least showing common courtesy to others adn the use of this forum, befitting someone who is working the Program of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Member: Amy GC
Location: Switzerland
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 13:55:49
Hello friends my name is Amy and I am an alcoholic. I just wanted to stop by this site to let all y'all know this swissmrs is ok! We were in a bad area for a few days but made it and I didn't have to drink over it. I miss lots of old friends from this site, anyone who wants to write I'm at amcan@swissonline.ch LOVE in the fellowship, Amy
Member: Just Curious
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 13:58:15
Dear .. To whom are you referring as 13th stepping?
Member: Saw This One Coming
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 14:22:45
Is it closed yet? Hurry up Zane, David B., Sheryl, jrr. JimR. Get in one last longggggggggggggg post. Show your asses off one more time for us, will ya? Hope the rest of you continue a serene sobriety.
Member: jrr
Location: harmony on the lake
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 14:44:30
i make a motion we keep the coffeepot.. and all these boneheads shape up.. by the way. .. sheryl babe... you did not say ' fuck ' one time.. very good.. even after that bonehead picked on you..leaps and bounds, you be terrific catgirl !! well..only after Nikki of course.. Mary w.. god bless you and your mom.. you are both in my prayers.. keep in touch.. missed you at the xoom room.. newbies..stick around.. this deal works. i promise! peace, jrr
Member: Sheryl
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 14:52:57
Rhia.. still off tomorrow? going to the whole.. wanna go with? left ya an ICQ
jrr.. its early yet..
Member: Deanna E.
Location: Texas
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 14:53:16
Rhia - He is the first on my list. My son (he's 16) went with me to my meeting last night. It's an idea. Next time he comes to visit see if he will go. My son came out of there going WOW I could use this in my life too. So, my prayers are for him and you and your ex that God will open his eyes before someone gets hurts.
Deanna E.
Member: Corinne B.
Location: CA
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:12:30
Corinne agin. Back agin. Maybe I'll stay away but maybe I'll come back agin. Will decide and let you know agin.
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:17:04
I have GOT to quit responding to those who are so fearful of the real message of the Steps that they attack me for sharing my experience.
God help me.
Member: Deanna E.
Location: Texas
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:18:10
Oops Rhia forgot the e-mail address..Write me any time! frog@adamsgarden.com
Member: Jennifer Page
Location: Upstate New York
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:25:01
Re: CLARENCE SNYDER.
He was born in December of 1902, and was one of the "younger" members of AA. In fact, his sponsor, Dr. Bob told him perhaps he was too young to get sober, and referred to him as "Young fella." Clarence had a great part in the writing of "How It Works" in the Big Book. His story begins on page 297- "Home Brewmeister".
At the time he did the tape that John Mc mentioned,in 1966, he was 64 years old, and hardly senile at all. At the time he did one of the tapes that we have,in 1982, he was 80 years old, and his message was quite clear regard to the first nine Steps. Clarence passed away two years later, in March of 1984.
In my opinion, he was an unsung hero of AA.
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:27:25
Sam, I am carrying on a discussion with Feyd. Why do you think you need to kibbitz? Why do you think you need to question what program I am working? Can you show me where I illustrate ANOTHER program of recovery, other than the 12 Steps? Are you just a whiner, or do you really have a point? If so, I don't see it.
Every time I write something about my own personal experience with the 12 Steps, I get attacked. Guess what this reminds me of?
The comments made by those in the treatment centers where I speak.
Oh, and Al Anon, too.
Would everyone who wants a piece of my ass just take one big bite and then allow me to write and share what I want?
If you don't like what I write, how come so many of you hang on my every word, criticising what I say, how many words I use, etc.?
I see more people bitching about what others write than I see persons talking about the Steps.
I try to write on topics surrounding my own experience with the 12 Steps. If any of you are uncomfortable with that, perhaps you aren't ready to hear what I say. That being the case, please skip over my posts, save your bitching for you kids and spouses, and let me live in your world.
Unless of course, you want to prepare a script for me, telling me what to post.
I learned a very important principle within two days of getting sober: If I have a problem with what someone else shares, I am the problem.
Always.
So, "get a grip," "get a life," "come down to your OWN level," but I'm not leaving mine to come down there to join you.
Most Sincerely,
Zane
Member: david b 9/8/81
Location: bimini
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:31:56
Barry,
I would hate to see the CP go away but you bring up a valid point about the image of AA on line suffering because of the current content of this page.
There are some that have been striving towards this very action and I can only pray for them beacuse they are the same ones that continue to agitate here hoping to get a big deal going again. They have frequently been successful in creating big deals. I, for one, rise to the bait, oh too easily, as is evidenced by my current admirer, that I have taken to calling chatty cathy.
I worry about some of the CP problem migrating over to the discussion and step meetings if this forum is closed down. It may be a valid concern.
I will stand behind any decision that is made pertaining to this room. I appreciate your consideration in making the motion to shut it down here on the page. Cast my vote along with yours whether you vote to shut it down or leave it on line.
I apologize for any part I might have played in this disturbance.
david
Member: Feyd R.
Location: Geidi Prime
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:32:58
ZANE: was that addressed to me?
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:39:29
TO BARRY: For the entire time I have been here, for the most part, I have posted my own true experience with regard to my own working of the 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, exactly as they are written in the book of the same name.
Repeatedly, I sign on, come here, and find dozens of folks bitching about how "unreal" I am, whether I am mentally disturbed, what program am I REALLY working, what an egotist I must be, all sorts of insanity.
My experience is just that: My experience. Every item I have written is true. Most of my posts contain passages from the Big Book, and evidently that perturbs quite a few folks. That's sad.
To attack a member of AA who spends his life trying to do better, and to do God's will through working with drunks in all media, sort of defeats our purpose. If you were to add up all the posts that are confrontational and antagonistic, you'd have about six posts per day which contain anything relative to the original message of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Instead of closing this site, why not just rename it: "Let's Bitch Our Way To Serenity."
How's that?
Jesus, this place sounds like a bunch of first week newcomers, all attacking anyone who has any clue.
Reminds me of a conversation I once heard....
"Hey man, let me set my beer down, and I'll tell you how it SHOULD work, and I'll tell you what's wrong with all those guys who say they have "recovered."
Anyone else want a piece of me before I go?
Speak now.
Member: Dale s
Location: California
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:39:57
Sheryl you don't know how good it made me feel to hear you are doing well. 21 Days I think that is marvelous. Christine M. enjoyed your post been 'a long strange trip' here as well. Zane I applaud your courage."Strange mental twist?" Yes I qualify. After 5 years with out a drink and doing the steps twice I still have drinking dreams. I also know that when I straighten out spiritually, the physical and mental maladies will also straighten out. Possibly I should continue to practicing the steps a bit longer (say 50 years.) Now for today's Golden Nugget of Knowledge " If you speak of matters uncommon to peopleand they do not understand they will become angry. If they are unable to understand what you say they will become violent. For it is the way of man to destroy what he loves most, and then resurrect it so he can love it again." The best example of this strange behavior is the story Jesus. Danny (RIGHT ON)! Drinking or dying is not a choice. They are the same thing. We alcoholics have two choices, and only two. We can ether blot out our miserable existence or accept spiritual help. Hi Susan B.I liked your quick advise to Suicidal. Dear Suicidal.... I was right were you are once. I couldn't bare the idea that eventually I would kill someone with my drunken driving. I just couldn't stop drinking. I planned my suicide out. Part of my plan was to get my affairs in order. I started going to AA again to put on a good show for my wife so I could stay in the house. I told people in AA exactly what I had planned. I had nothing to loose. A young man heard my story and said "You never have to drink again if you don't want to" I told him it was no use I have tried AA before and it doesn't work for me. He said it works for everybody that works it. I asked him what I had to do and he told me. I did the things he suggested and something strange happened. All desire for the drink disappeared. Not only that but I have entered into a NEW and wonderful world (a side affect ). Dales71@hotmail.com please write me somebody.
Member: Denise J
Location: Michigan
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:44:02
Hi ALL!
I WANNA GO ON A HARLEY RIDE!!! But I see that I out weigh and am a tad bit taller than the rest-buuut.... I stilllll wannnnn gooooo.... wine wine wine. Food for thought, let's take Rhia out back and push donuts down her throught?!! lol lol - 5'5" and only 110 pounds? Rhis, come visit me for awhile, our family motto is "You don't have to be hungry to eat- Or- You don't get this size by eating carrot sticks!"
Mouse- a lot of good insight from you last post- Thanks,
Rhia, my prayers are with you and your son!
Paul B, Art, Deanna & whomever else- good jokes, are you guys trying to show me up er' what??
I am going to be sentenced tomorrow- I'm really quite at peace with it, whatever will be will be. I know that it's out of my hands, and the HP, will do what he feels is neccessary. That feels good.
My love life is back on track, Guess what? He told me he loves me! That is a milestone for him, he's not real open about his feelings. After this horrible weekend ( not to mention all of the damned snow ), I know everything is going to be all right. Trust is not something that can be taken for granted, and I know that it will take time, but I'm ready.
I'm gonna try to make a meeting tonight, haven't been to one in a few weeks, and am still trying to find a sponser. WISH ME LUCK. I know this program is worth it, and it will work.
Joke anyone??
You know that you're gonna have a bad day when you open your fridge the first thing in the morning and your rump roast farts at you!!
Had to keep it short, I'll check back later- to see if I'm also invited on the ride. I'm not fat guys, I'm just 5'6" and definitely outweigh you all! I am still trying to post my picture on the friends site- you'll know it's me! I'm the one in the pink taffeta!!
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 15:51:04
Denise, I applaud your attitude about your being sentenced tomorrow, and your dependence on God as to the outcome. It has been my experience after 16 trips to jail, and in front of judges numerous times that once I was able to fire my attorneys, plead guilty or nolo contendre to all charges against me and take what came, that while seemingly imprisoned, I was actually free.
God be with you, girl. And He will if you keep that attitude.
Call it a hunch.
Smiling,
Zane
Member: Glen H
Location: Denton, TX
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 16:01:56
A motion requires a second.
I second Barry's motion.
Will the Steering Committee please schedule a vote and discussion? [Now, that'll be some discussion].
Member: Dan H.
Location: Wa.
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 16:06:59
Dan H. here. 10 days sober.
Been lurking. Just like the f2f, I find something here everyday that helps me out, even amidst the flamers. Thanks all.
Denise J. You and me both. Pink taffeta, eh? Make sure you remind us all of the site address. If it ever quits raining in this town I'll be able to take mine out again. Yes, I'm a fair weather rider.
Art One of my favourite sayings. I've got it posted on my wall at work.
The last 10 days have certainly been challenging. It took the kick-in-the-head of a DUI to get me here, but I'm here. The end of last week when any one of at least a dozen catrastrophes was taking place, including $1800 for a new transmission, I just about gave it up. But then a thought struck me. I'm making it through all of this, and I'm still sober.
Collette P. Hang in there.
Member: Larry M.
Location: Virginia Beach
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 16:12:26
BARRY & GLEN: I know I'm not one of your favorite people, but I'll chime in here anyway. I believe sometime last year David B. made the suggestion that we go to the WebBBS format. I've been on a number of (unrelated) sites and it works great. It carries 500 messages at a time and they then fall off in chrono order, i.e. when someone posts #501, #1 falls off the page. It can be set up by the individual user be read in either chronological order or by "thread" so that people who are uninterested in that particular topic ("thread") can just ignore it, without even opening the posts. I also believe it's cheap. Not being a computer expert, I'm not sure of the downside, but it seems to be a very popular system.
Anyone interested can check out the site at http://awsd.com/scripts/webbbs/
The Discussion & Step meetings are so positive, it would be a shame to threaten them with the overflow from this room.
Member: Glen
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 16:19:43
Larry, there's pro's and con's...I hear you what you're saying...but there'll be a lot of discussion on this, so why not wait until the steering committe sets ground rules for the discussion and vote? Besides, the motion is to close...not do something else, hence the vote will be close or don't close the page.
Member: Denise J
Location: Michigan
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 17:08:37
Thank-You Zane! That is exactly how I feel, it's in God's hands now. ( And the Judge's, but God will do his work through him!)
Dan H- sent one! Pink Taffetta and all, just give them some time to post it- I know they are busy- http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Quarter/6013/friendsinrecovery.htm
Let's now stop the coffee pot- just the nagging- kay'? I need this place right now, I don't always believe everyone, nor do I accept their posts, but I need the fellowship- BS and all! My vote is "NAY"
Here's to a healthy and sober tomorrow, and here's hoping your rump roast doesn't fart at ya too!
Member: Herman B
Location: West Michigan
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 17:17:58
Hello everyone, Herman B A Recovering Alcholic.
I just want to say that I hope that the CP doese not close down, I havve found that this site has been quit insperstional to me. As I'm a new comer to this CP board I know that what I have to say don't count for much, but I wanted to cast my vote anyway. In coming here and going to some other online meetings I haave found out that since I had my accident and became disabled and house bound that I have found myself I a deep pit of denial, I thought I had accepted the fact that I would be this way for the rest of my life, but sence comeing here and reaading the many posts, that I haven't been working my program or doing anything about it. Haveing taken another inventory I have found that I have built a lot of resentments over being disabled and blaming everyone but me for my own problems, the accident wasn't my fault but the way I reacted was. I have found that by not following the program as setup by the BB and my sponser that I have reverted back to what I was before I came to AA, the only difference is that I haven't taken that first drink. I might as well have because living as a drydrunk is just as bad as being a praticing alcholic, maby even worse, I know that if I take that first drink that will be the end of it all, because with all the damage that was done during my drinking days combined with the damage of the accident my body won't be able to take it. So as waking up to all of this and Zane has had someting to do with that(his post about step 10}, I see that I need to get back to AA in a hurry and start my program again. I want to thank everyone for helping me see the light, cause I really wasn't doing anything positive.
And with that I would like to add one more thing about the CP along with working the steps we all need to pratice the 12 tradisions as well when we make our posts.
thqanks again for helping me get my eyes open.
Herman B. soslo@prodigy.net
Member: Geri W
Location: Va
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 17:24:18
Geri, a very grateful alcoholic here. Of course I will go accept whatever the Group wants, but I will really miss you guys and your daily posts. I try to stay at the 300 limit and # of posts. Just in case, I miss the vote, can't let the CP close without saying: Rose - awsome. Laurie C. - great job. Dan H. - we knew you could do it. Rhia, my heart hurts for you. I had to give mine to God ( with her screaming, don't do that, He won't pay my bills ). After awhile(God's time, not mine)we are family again. You're in my prayers. Corinne, I'll miss your loving, caring messages. I've tried to copy Email addresses as they are listed, so I can keep in touch if that's ok. Cause, good or bad, we're in this together and God put you here(and may take you away) in my life. Hugs.
Member: ZC
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 17:30:18
Stand by, folks. Group conscience is about to rule.
Stay tuned.
Member: Sundance
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 17:36:05
Sundance here, Zane you are so well read, but can you follow directions???
Barry just posted that this site might be closed down because of members who post too many times and who post too long. And, you have posted 2 or 3 or 4 times since then. What's up!! Once or twice a day that is all they ask.
Maybe you could just try being more to the point, and maybe you could save all of your knowledge up untill the end of the day and post to all of your subordinates at one time. This is not a chat room, and ferom one of your posts I get the feeling that you think that it is.
MAYBE GOD IS TELLING YOU TO LET SOME STUFF SLID BY THROUGH BARRY, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT YOU SEEM TO HAVE MISSED THAT MESSAGE.
Wanna kiss and make up yet Jrr?
Sundance
Member: Mouse
Location: Surrey B.C.
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 18:14:48
Hi mouse here, and I'm a Alcoholic....
RHIA, GERI, SHERYL, CORINNE,JOAN, & CHRISTINE.......pack your bags were goin' to get TERI F, she should be packed..... TERI, I'm a commin'..... But when I get there, we have to sit down and take a vote.... up for the Vote is do we take ERIC H.... ha.... ROBERT, ya had me just a LOL..... You should see the bitchy old lady run they have here..... If ya want to see allot of biker chicks..... OH YA... our pig roast is allot of fun too. This will be our 11th, held in Karamiuos B.C. it's a blast.... All clean and sober.... DENISE< hop on the ride.. and good luck tomorrow love ya..... MARY W. My dear friend, I love ya... my heart and prayers are with you and MOM....
I had to go with my brother today to sign my MOM's truck over to me..... Man Now all the final work is beening done on her estate. I hate this.... It is closure but I don't want it to close... oh well ya can't always get what we want.
Member: GHOST WRITER
Location:
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 19:04:14
NOBODY CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO POSTING 6 TIMES IN A WEEK PERTAINING TO THE 12 STEPS BECAUSE ZANE TAKES UP ALL THE SPACE THE TECHS CAN SUPPORT IN ONE HOUR.
EVERYONE ON THE COFFEE POT MIGHT BE PUNISHED THROUGH THE CLOSING OF THIS FORMAT BECAUSE A SELECT FEW INSIST ON BEING CENTER OF ATTENTION.
IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE TECHS OR TO THE SUFFERING ALCOHOLIC.
Member: jrr
Location: harmony on the lake
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 19:59:37
i said you had a thing for me .. sundunce. keep this place open, or for damn sure announce for a month when and where we can vote.. never seems the steering committee' publicized the time of thier gatherings.. i know myself i have never been made aware of voting the past. If it is put to vote, i only hope it is a fair process because i would bet it does not close, then again, who is actually going to record the yay and nays.? this joint usually goes up and down.. if sundunce would leave me alone the place may settle down some.. heeheeeee.. this deal works , i promise ! peace, jrr ps- yo .. jimmy crocker.. you need any help executing your menu...? sounds nice.. but can you actually do it.. ?
Member: Lilly C.
Location: Alaska
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 20:06:40
Good afternoon, friends... Eric, I'm still here. Have been lurking and dismayed by the ego trips. Also have spent the last five days in the hospital with my son, 6 years old who was in critical condition due to an infection that came on so fast we didn't even know what was happening. He is ok now, responded to antibiotics as hoped and is home. This has once again reset my priorities and helped me to see what's important and what can wait. Try to treat each other as if it is the last word or deed you will have people. We are all recovering, we all need tolerance and respect. Love to all, Lilly
Member: Bill J. 12 19 75
Location: Kingsville Texas
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 20:23:14
Bill J. here Some of the things my sponsor taught me. He said the last 7 words of the 12 th step was very important that to practice these principals included being honest. To ge honest one must be honorable. To be honorable I had to learn to play by the rules . Things like a days work for a days pay obey the speed laws stop at stop signs even at night when nobody was around. (still working on thatbut doing better) He died sober some 20 years ago and if he were alive today he would include abiding to the rules on this site. I have posted twice in one day but never more. He told me if I could not abide by the rules I did not have much of a program for to hem the program included walking the walk not just talking the talk.I see many here that need to review thier behavior for to think somebody would jeopardize this site and have the audacith to say they had a good program is only fooling themselfs.I would like to spend some of my 300 words addressing some of the newer members.You over posters are just telling me how smart you are and showing me how arrogant your are You don' have what I want. If the new onds hang around they will get the higher power and power of the litature without being beat to death with the Big Book. My humble opinion.I don't see much Love, Caring, Patience, Tolerance or Humilith being displayed here. I do see a lot of EGO and my Big Book says that I need to be rid of that. Love to my cyber friends. Hang in there you new ones it will get better in life oad on this site
Member: James E.
Location: Ontario, Canada
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 20:25:40
Dat 8 Still sober. I am glad I discovered this site a week ago. I was desperate when I first posted. I've been to three meetings and have a sponsor.Thank God for leading me to this sie and then to meetings. (Also thankful I have a scroll bar) Thank you for one more day.
Member: Lilly C.
Location: Alaska
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 20:31:50
Corrinne, I will miss you and your E,S & H. As Deanna in Texas shared, succeed anyway!
Member: Teri F.
Location: Marion, Ohio
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 21:11:26
Good evening all. I truly hope our coffee pot isn't eliminated. I beleive the original intention of this site was to offer a place for fellowship and some fun. It has been great for me because I've met some very wonderful and caring people here. I will miss you all if this site is eliminated.
Zane, it is obvious from your posts that you beleive that you are the answer to what ails us all. Why is it that you jump in everywhere here and lend your "experience", but when someone indicates they can survive (quite well I might add) without your wisdom, you get your jockey's in a bunch? Perhaps YOU need to sit down and write (please God, not here) or do whatever until YOU understand. Do you honestly think you are the only one with a clue? If you really think that, keep coming back. I got a chuckle about your reference to this being like a newcomers meeting. I just love those meetings. There's always this one guy, with ALL the answers, who monopolizes the entire meeting because he's "got a clue". He usually gets pretty upset when he's asked to sit down and be quiet. If you speak as long and as much as you write, I suspect you probably attend alot of newcomer meetings. Especially those who don't have many elders around. (Call it a hunch...) If my observations have offended you, or if you have a problem with what I've said, please refer back to your own post. You know, the one about the lesson you learned the second day you were sober? Oh, and by the way, I couldn't help but think, while reading your temper tantrum about us all picking on you, how very difficult it must be for you.....
Member: Kerry B. 3/21/80
Location: Idaho
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 21:40:10
Kerry, an alcoholic.
Lets see, we got the "snipers" here, and then we got the "snipe at the snipers" here, and now me "snipping at the snipers who are snipping at the snipers" here. Doesn't make sense, does it. Yet, it continues over and over.
I'm getting off the merry-go-round. Not a threat, and no applause please.
I hope and pray that the tech's and all of you find a way to return this site to it's original ideas. It was a very helpful place to come, and still is (to an extent), just clouded right now.
I wish you all well
Member: Sam S.
Location: Kansas
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 21:56:44
Zane......you said that you were having a discussion with Feyd. May I suggest that you ask for Feyd's email address. Not everyone needs to hear your feedback if it isn't meant to be "in general" for all of us. Barry and Teri said it quite well. Where's the common courtesy here. You say you learned on your second day of sobriety that if someone bothers you then you'd better take a look at yourself. Well, may I suggest that you find a mirror. Your words not mine.
Rhia......Prayers are with you, your son and the total situation. Hang in there.
Mouse.....Just where is this Harley chick group going? Can I join?(5'6" 125 lbs)
I welcome any attacks by anyone who see fit to do so......schulz@midusa.net
Member: Art P.
Location: New Bern
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 22:17:29
Barry I share your anguish and since I'm not the one who does the work to keep this site up and running I will abide with whatever those who do wish to do.
But I just would like to say that in the time I've been here, it's been uplifting to see people find the program of AA, at f2f meetings. And I count the days with them. Those are the positive things I've seen. On the other side, we have sick bastards that think their well and want to bestow their bullshit on the rest. Some people are educated beyond their intelligence, and so pompous that no one else's life matters. And they take a forum that a bunch of drunks can share what's going on with them, and turn it into a personal fiefdom.
I hit the scroll bar at those postings, but to be honest the length, and amount of those posts gives me vertigo. And it seems no amout of pleading, cajoleing, or rebuking seems to get through to this idiot. It isn't ego folks, it's stupidy.
As for the person who said he goes to beginners meetings I think not. I don't think that there's a meeting he's allowed to go and monopolize it as he does here. Like I said earlier he's a bullshiter.
When I was in reform school, we could show our displeasure with someone by giving them the silence treatment. That's all he gets from me. I don't even read his posts to be baited. But you'd better believe if we ever meet f2f I'll talk to him.
God bless all us sick puppy/ette's
Member: NEWbeastie
Location: Body in Va, Heart in the Philippines
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 22:24:58
Hi everybody...the NewBeastie is back...sort of, more or less...finished the last leg of a long trip involving Jeepneys, 4 aeroplanes of various sizes and states of repair, a taxicab, and the most dangerous part, driving a station-wagon back out here to the farm. But, I made it...and nobody swiped my computer while I was gone....so I'm catching up with the 'net again...WHAT THE H*** IS GOING ON HERE??? Do away with the CP???? Say it ain't so, Joe!!! Is this a bad joke or something??? Some of us isolated individuals consider it a lifeline, a necessary part of a sober life. Personally, I need it more than ever....nuff sed. Must finish un-packing and get some sleep, etc...just wanted to check in and say hello to all my CP friends....sure missed you all!!! (but, now I know I can live without the internet for 3 weeks without going totally BONKERS) later...NB
Member: Eileen D.
Location: Pa.
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 22:30:38
Gee, I am sad! I've been hanging around this place for about 15 months. Barry, understand what is going on. Just appreciate what you techs have done. Support you on any decision that's made. Thanks for introducing me to AA. God bless.
Member: tom t
Location: tenn
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 22:54:28
tom,alcoholic,etc., IDEA,don't close down the coffee pot,open up an other board for ZANE! He can post there,when we need spiritual guidance,we just log on to ZANESWORLD.EGO. Let him take care of the tech work.AS to the vote, even if I had one,quote that famous Atlantan , no not SHERYL,RHETT."Frankly my dear,I don't give a damn"
Member: Craig S
Location: Oregon
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 23:05:58
Hi all, Craig Alcoholic.
Tonight I wanted a drink. I thought about it, and was planning on how to do it. I fired up the computer and started reading the CP. No, I don't agree with everything that goes on in here, but while I was reading all the posts, enought time went by that I know I am not going to have a drink tonight. Usually I would go to a f2f meeting when I was feeling bad, but couldn't tonight. It's too bad it the CP goes away, it saved my bacon tonight. I too will abide by the group conscience.
One day at a time.
Member: Robert B.
Location: Boise Idaho
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 23:24:18
Robert: Alcoholic
I will abide by group conscience, I also pray we do not lose this place.
Member: Larry M.
Location: Virginia Beach
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 23:29:34
When I first arrived at the Carnegie-Mellon Univ. campus almost 25 years ago (OMG - 25 years!), they had just built an entire extension with a number of new buildings. Instead of making a bunch of neat, right-angle sidewalks from building-to-building and trying to get the students to refrain from walking on the grass, they didn't put down grass for a semester. At the end of the semester, they paved the natural paths that the students had made as they followed the shortest-path-between-two-points routes from building-to-building. Then they put down grass in the remaining areas. The result was a bunch of diagonal, zig-zag looking sidewalks. Instead of trying to force the students to follow unnatural sidewalk patterns, they built around the natural traffic flow. By doing this they avoided the frustration of attempting to enforce unenforceable "keep off the grass" rules and they avoided getting the students pissed off at being harassed about a bunch of inconvenient, unnecessary rules. As a result, the campus pedestrian traffic flowed smoothly and the grass remained beautiful because no one ever walked on it.
I think the situation here on the coffee pot is analagous. We have rules that many apparently cannot or will not follow. I am one of those. Now we can continue to yell at the offenders, impugn their motives, question the quality of their sobriety, and so on, but that has just lead us to a situation where we are being confronted with 2 unacceptable choices: keep it this way or disband it. To a lesser degree it's similar to the question someone recently asked: "What's better, to continue drinking or commit suicide?" The answer, of course, was "neither".
There are many other AA chat rooms and online meetings available, yet people seem to come here instead, or in addition to, those forums. So obviously the CP fills some sort of need. For many of the "offenders", it seems to be a need to engage in in-depth crosstalk that is inappropriate in meetings such as our Discussiom and Step meetings "next-door". Chat rooms don't meet the need because the quick flow and constant interruptions make it difficult to engage in thoughful discussions. They are good at what they're intended for: chatting.
David B., I, and perhaps some others have suggested software changes that could possibly solve some of the problems the CP has been experiencing for the past year or so since I've been here. There are inexpensive systems out there that are relatively easy to administer and lend themselves more to crosstalk. The options are accepting the current unacceptable situation, tilting at windmills in an attempt to get everyone to conform to rules that ample experience shows they won't conform to, or shut the place down. No solution will be perfect, but we can make progress. This whole internet thing is relatively new and we are just going through some growing pains.
I suggest we repave the sidewalks here. Mend it, don't end it.
Member: Sanders W
Location: Graceville, Fl.
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 23:43:22
I am very definately a real alcoholicm nad also very sad tonight but my name is still Sanders. What Iam about tosay is very much out of character for me and may regret it but Ifeel I have to right now or bust.---Zane, in my 23 years in AA without a drink, you have got to be the most egotistical, self centered,self rightous Son of a Bitch I have ever known in this program. I really think you are crazy and should be locked up away from humans. this coffee pot is extremly important to many of us in many different ways. For me personally, I depend on it verymuch because I have a very severe hearing loss and onle get about 10% of what is said at a F32F meeting. The only real reason I still go to live meetings is to be there for the new person and try to help him if I can possible do so, because I get very little from them since I can't hear. If we close this meeting because you are too damn bull headeed to keep your mouth shut then someone should shut it for you. You may be able to walk o the water but you surely dohave lots to learn about love and compassion and this goes a long way in dealiung with a drunk wheather he is wet or dry. Talk to me by Email or anything just get off the coffeee pot. i am sure there are many people here who would gladluy help you pack to see you leave since you have avbsolutely no regardes for the guidlines set up. sanders@wfeca.net I am sorrry for the rest of you people on hedre seing this side of me ands I will have to ask God to forgive me tonight but we have to have some relief.
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 02 Mar 1999
Time: 23:55:37
Sanders, I'll pray for you, buddy.
Member: Jennifer Page
Location: Upstate New York
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 00:11:24
What is this, a free-for-all? Let's all jump on JUST ZANE today, because there is a suggestion of closing down the Coffee Pot? Sheesh.
Member: Zane
Location: Final Post
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 00:23:03
OPEN LETTER: This will be my final post (300 Words or less)
I would like to apologize to any of you who are offended at what I write about.
I would like to offer Barry money to pay the extra overtime for the techs who had to maintain both my over-sharing, and that of the 21 persons who cursed me to tell me how I should be more compassionate.
Barry, you can bill me any of the following ways:
FAX Bill to: Zane Cofield 315-338-0834
Bill me directly:
Zane Cofield c/o The Ursa Companies P.O Box 864 Palm Harbor, Fl 34682
Will mail check immediately on receipt of bill.
Thank you all, and good bye.
Sincerely,
Zane
Email: UrsaCo1@aol.com and Zany201@aol.com
God bless you all. (129 words, including these).
Member: Joan W
Location: Upstate NY
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 00:29:02
Hi Everyone;
I am an alcoholic and my name is Joan.
My Higher Power, whom I chose to call God led me to this site about a month ago. I posted in the discussion and 12 step meetings for a couple of weeks, before I got the nerve to dive in here. I 'lurked', and saw some mean spirited exchanges and it brought to mind the hurtful things that have been said over a lifetime. The jabs about 'four eyes' and being overweight when I was young (I am still both of these things). The times at school when others were picked on because they were of a different nationality or color or had a physical or learning disability. I decided the good outweighed the bad here, and decided to jump in. Since then, I have come to love this site and those who post here. As with any interaction with people, particularly other alcoholics, my life is being enriched by the experience. For that I am truly grateful. I am learning not only about you folks but about myself, and as an extra added bonus, about the cyber world. (Thanks Kerry for that lesson about links). I have added sites you suggested to my 'favorites'; you have really been a catalyst to introducing me to this grand new world.
As Eileen and others have said, the techs who manage this site must have a daunting responsibility and workload. Barry and Tim, I appreciate all that you do. And, while I too, would be sad if the CP was closed, I also support any decision that is made. I know such a decision will not be lightly made, and fully trust the wisdom of the steering committee.
I just want to say a couple of things about how I see MY recovery. I am a recoverING alcoholic, and with the Grace of God will be until I draw my last breath. When I got sober my daughter was 16 and my twin sons, 12. I robbed them of their youth; I took their away their peace of mind. I brought them into this world, and I loved them and my husband more than anything; except alcohol. They deserved to feel safe and secure and I deprived them of this. How in the world can I make that right? I never can, NEVER, but I will make amends to them, and to my husband for as long as God will allow me to do this, every day, in every way I can.
God gave me another chance to try to give instead of take as I always did. I am blessed beyond belief to have been given an opportunity to try to right my wrongs. Material wrongs were quickly amended, the emotional and spiritual wrongs are where I did so much damage to so many of God's children, my family, friends, neighbors.
Sorry folks, I think I may have gone over 300; I don't have a counter. And I had lots more I wanted to say, ah well, maybe tomorrow.
Please, God, Bless us everyone.
Love, Joan
Member: david b 9/8/81
Location: bimini
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 00:52:08
Since I first suggested adopting the Webbs format on the Coffee Pot many months ago I have basically balled the idea up and thrown it away because I wasn't the one calling the shots here.
I thank Larry M for bringing the thought up once again.
For anyone reading that doesn't have the foggiest about the Webbs format, I'm posting a URL for one of the boards I frequent that uses the Webbs program. Please click the link, you will be visiting The Epilepsy Discussion Group. Click into some of the conversations and see how the program works. Don't worry, you won't be interrupting anyone, it is a message board, not a chat. You can use that board like a chat though and not disrupt the flow of the board as a whole. It is a cool program for use in applications such as ours. That URL is:
http://www.neuro.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/epilepsy.cgi
Being that the group conscious is generally considered a parlimentary proceeding and requires a motion and a second to bring anything up for pre vote discussion I would like to make the official motion that we as a group change over to the Webbs format on the Coffee Pot and consider that format on the step and discussion meetings too. (With the help of our tech's PLEASE)
If Larry M's earlier request can be considered the motion for this change, please consider this the second.
Please check out the link, it is a wonderful way to keep from having to scroll past pages and pages of copy if a person isn't interested in reading a particular individuals contribution to the site. And it is self maintaining. The darn thing is even searchable by name, topic, you name it. There is a link at the bottom of that page if anyone would like to have more info about the program, does the word "free", excite anbody?
I'm not trying to rock anybody's boat here, just trying to offer a way to keep this site open.
Thanks
david
Member: Jim R.
Location: Chgo
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 01:12:50
With all due respect, Barry... you can't give an Alkie an inch when you know, historically, that some will take a mile. (I'm guilty) You opened up a Pandora's Box when you Wrote " The Coffee Pot is intended for general discussion on any topic not neccesarily alcoholism...
I vote (like it really matters) that you keep this site open... What's so bad about people venting, especially alcoholics?... at least most of us have diverted our angst through punching keyboards instead of people.
I try to practice this program as best I can... I go to meetings, read the B.B., try to due the next right thing, and most importantly, don't pick up the first drink... I hope no one takes me too seriously, cause I try not to take myself too seriously.
If the commitee closes these doors... It'll be a sad day indeed...
yeah, I've been personally indulgent here, but what's wrong with that?... have I really harmed anyone?, maybe... do I feel bad about posting before I think?... you bet I do, sometimes. Do I try to make ammends when I reflect on what I said... I do try and most of the time succeed. With that in mind, Do I keep coming back for E, S, & H?... You're damn right I do.
DO what you have to do... These people are drawn to each other... Think about the diversity here... where can you ever get charachters like jrr and Sundance in the same room without the humble Chef killing the former. (Sorry, sundance, but jrr would beat you like a breaking hollandaise... I tried to take the heat off you, but you made a critical error... you opened your mouth!) Besides... Chef's blood is as thick as roux. They might not like each other (Only room for one ego per kitchen) but they stick together like Tournados
Barry, if you initiate pulling the plug on the pot, you will only succeed in sensoring a living part of this program... free expression. No matter how you look at it... it'll always be there... people will just go somewhere else to share, vent, harass, etc.
It'll probably be better for me anyway... I'll be able to spend more time developing menus that'll keep my apprentice, jrr in check. He was a good potwasher... he might have some potential in the kitchen. Competition never sleeps, but this recovering alcoholic does... like a baby.
Good Luck and God Bless
Yours in the fellowship
Jim R.
Member: Sandi D
Location: Salem OR
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 01:26:02
Sandi, Alcoholic.
Wow, I havent' been to this site for a few weeks. Mainly because I can't read the long posts so it is a waste of time for me to try. I go elsewhere for my support.
The unfortunate thing about it is that when I first signed on, it was a very strong meeting and I could feel the support. Now, it seems that it has lost it's singleness of purpose and to me, it is no longer an AA Meeting.
I will try to tune in to the meetings that focus on the recovery part of sobriety because that is what I need to stay sober today.
Sundance, 2 months today without cigs. Thanks for the support.
Member: Sandi D
Location: Salem Or
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 01:47:53
Oops, I believe it was Sanders that sent me the info on no smoking. I am confused.
anyway, thanks to whomever it was.
Member: Barry L
Location: Alcoholic
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 01:48:24
To Those who don't get it!
It is not about money, It is not about freedom of speach, Its not about Opinions.
IT IS ABOUT CARRYING THE MESSAGE OF ALCOHLICS ANONYMOUS.
It's about the 2000 people who visited this site for the FIRST TIME this February, seeing an example of A.A., Seeing people who live the program, not argue about it.
It's about that guy or girl sitting shitfaced in front of a computer, wanting to do something about it and reaching out for the HAND OF A.A. (and finding this page).
It's about practicing these principles in all our affairs.
I am not pulling the plug on anything, I simply made a motion as an alcoholic, the group conscience will decide.
This site is not Mine or David's or Zanes, It is here for the The Newcomer.
Member: Rhia W
Location: Atlanta
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 02:01:17
Hi ya'll, Rhia, alkie/addict & my problem is me.....
wanted to give a very warm, heart-felt THANK YOU to every1 for including my sons in your prayers.... it seems to be helping, my ex has gotten an appointment for my son tomorrow to see some1 for a diagnosis & some testing... ~finally!~
sigh, my son doesn't think Anything will help, but he's willing to at least give it half-a-chance.... that's two miracles there... the extra help from ya'll on the CP is greatly appreciated....
i for 1, due to the many, many miracles i've seen happen in the short time i've been here, would not like to see the Coffee Pot close... i've seen it help so very many people - myself included... (granted, i may feel overwhelmed by the speed at which the size limit gets hit once i actually start helping w/the upkeep, especially since it requires FP98 ~shudder~, lol, but i still think the roses are worth the thorns... *s) .. a valid point was made that if the CP is closed, the overflow may well seep into the 12_&_12 & Discussion meetings... that would be a tragedy as they ARE AA centered, unlike the CP which does carry the disclaimer... as much as i understand the sentiment, at this point, i'd vote Nay to closing it down...
it's been a l_o_n_g 3 days, so forgive me if i don't answer u all personally here in the CP - please, in case this place needs to be refreshed again, to all who posted your email addys for me, send me a quick e, so i can add it to my address book.... & Thanks again....*s g'nite ya'll
Serenity & Sanity
rhiannen@gw.total-web.net
Member: Danny F.
Location: Fort Worth, (Cowtown) Texas, U.S.A.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 02:42:10
Hello, to ALL my AA Brothers & Sisters! My name is Danny, and, I'm a Drunk, who don't drink, TODAY! (Big MIRACLE!)
The last few months, I've been under a tremendous amount of stress, due, partly, to a job schedule, which pervents me from attending more that a meeting a week, or so. The CoffeePot has, literally, saved my ass, during this period! Please, do not take away this daily format! I, for one, need to talk to another recovering alcoholic, every day.
I've seen a lot of BS, on this board, but, the recovery, here, FAR, FAR, outweighs it! Lives have been saved, here, mine included!
Love to ALL, on the CoffeePot! Thanks, for letting me share!
Danny F. - "Just another old Drunk & Junkie, finally, learning how to live!"
drthumbtack@yahoo.com
Member: Sanders W.
Location: Graceville, Fl.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 02:48:14
I am very happy for you Sanda D for your two months without smokinmg and I promise you if you stick with it you will never regret it.-----Barry and the rest of you on here forgive me for making an ass of myself but it just blew me away to think ofhave to do away with the CP as it is so very important to me. I have made many very close friends on here andit runs pretty good most odf the time. We just occasionallyget one who is not wanting to pl,ay by the rules,bu this one time was simply unbelievable. I honestly do wish him well and pray thatone day he will have the consideratoion for others. All you people ae so important to me and wouldhat e to lose any of you. God still loves you and so do I sanders@wfeca.net
Member: John F.
Location: Marienville,Pa.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 02:57:51
Hi there,My name is John and I'm an alcoholic.Just wanted to let the newcomers know that we need them in this fellowship.Guys,just keep asking for help and get to meetings.It gets easier as more time passes.The last thing is that we may be the only Big Book some people ever read,what kind of a message are you sending?The answer is between you and your Higher Power only.Have a good 24 and God bless.
Member: John F.
Location: Marienville,Pa.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 02:58:24
Hi there,My name is John and I'm an alcoholic.Just wanted to let the newcomers know that we need them in this fellowship.Guys,just keep asking for help and get to meetings.It gets easier as more time passes.The last thing is that we may be the only Big Book some people ever read,what kind of a message are you sending?The answer is between you and your Higher Power only.Have a good 24 and God bless.
Member: John F.
Location: Marienville,Pa.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 02:58:59
Hi there,My name is John and I'm an alcoholic.Just wanted to let the newcomers know that we need them in this fellowship.Guys,just keep asking for help and get to meetings.It gets easier as more time passes.The last thing is that we may be the only Big Book some people ever read,what kind of a message are you sending?The answer is between you and your Higher Power only.Have a good 24 and God bless.
Member: Bonnie C - 5/30/80
Location: Seattle
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 03:02:17
Hi extended family, bonnie/alcoholic here (((ROOM-HUG))) I would be sad if the coffee pot was shut down but hey, I cant blame the ((techs)) they work so dam hard to give us something wonderful to use, to bring alcoholics together, and we end up with a few that abuse the site, some constantly. others who encourage the flamers. Hey there are chat rooms all over the net where people flame each other every post, please take it there. I'm really worn down with this. i search this site for the hurting newcomer only to find them, try to scroll to the bottom of this page to post to them and have the page cut off after reading just a few show offs, not trying to help anyone, just trying to one upsman each other. wonder how many have looked for the message here and said screw AA if thats what its all about. ask yourself, if i am the only example of AA someone ever sees, what would the impression be, was it the one that attracted me? do you sound like your mentor in the program? Like my brother ((sanders)) I feel the same way. only there are a few others also and you know who you are. if the ((techs)) decide to give us another chance here, please either take your bullshit somewhere else or start behaving yourselves here. you're like those annoying toddlers in the restaurant. work thru this and become socially acceptable, like it says in our book, enuf malicious insanity. let us who love this program have this site, if you havent ruined it for us already. Zane, thank you for leaving, to the other malicious malcontents, please feel free to follow Zanes lead. I love this program, I love this room, thank God for AA and thank AA for my God. Dear God please bless all who venture here. love and hugs, bon -- bonzoc@webtv.net
Member: david b 9/8/81
Location: bimini
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 03:09:32
Barry,
Please excuse the additional post. There are at least a half a dozen people who post more often than I do. Even more who use more words per post than I. Yet I get lumped in with Zane when you discuss who's site this isn't?
I am not a saint, but I'm not a Zane either.
I hope you understand the spirit in which I offered the post supporting Larry on the Webbs program.
thanks,
david
Member: Sheryl
Location: Atlanta
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 03:22:20
Evening..
Welcome back New Beastie, good to 'see' you again. *s
I for one, would be very sad to see the place close down, I do not believe it was an accident that I found this site. Friends have watched me try and fail over and over again the last 2 yrs, and I now am starting on 22 days without a drink. (rhia can vouch for this having watched most of it the last year) I do not know WHAT changed, but I know it happened after I found this site, the people on it, and was able to hear many's ES & H. Guess my vote is nay too.
They have some new pics on the Friends in Recovery Page.. way cool
http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Quarter/6013/friendsinrecovery.htm
Peace
Member: Karen B.
Location: Tucson, AZ
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 05:07:39
BARRY - i think you mentioned awhile back that you hadn't participated enough because your job as a tech here is so demanding. Now that you've been here, I'm sad that you see a need to close it down. Please give it some time: the wars come and go, the egos get healthier and refrain from monopolizing the whole site. I know it's for the newcomer, but it's also for the sufferring alcoholic who's not new - isn't it? I'm human and I still suffer - and alkies understand me better. I really like this site, so I for one vote to keep it. SANDERS - I just love you. It takes a lot, I think, for you to tell someone to get the hell off the coffeepot! I want to give you a good hug! JAMES E. - so glad you love this site (and, as you mentioned, the scrollbar!). Glad it helped and that you've got a sponsor. LILLY - glad your son is better. RHIA - was happy that the prayers for your son have helped. CORINNE B. - hope you stay. I was away for awhile - has anyone heard from TERRI O.?
Member: karen B.
Location: Tucson, AZ
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 05:18:42
Oops! double-dipping here. DAVID B. - thank-you for the epilepsy page! i book-marked it.
Member: john mc
Location: u.k.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 06:06:50
Problems, problems, problems. Seems that good old Zane was the problem, oh yeah, now that he's gone everything will be o.k. l don't think so. What sin did he actually commit. He posted stuff all be it in a drawn out way, based on the SOLUTION as it is in the B/Book which was appreciated by many, including myself. Sure he made mistakes, don't we all!! Zanes' not the problem, the people who had a problem with Zane are the problem, if you did'nt agree with what he had to say why did'nt you just ignore him and post your own truth just to balance things. What happened to Zane here is exactly what happens to anyone who talks this stuff at f2f meetings, they end up drinking coffee on their own, pushed out, seems they just don't want to hear it, is'nt that typical of human nature. Any way Zane you've decided you've had enough, as is your right, l for one will miss you're input, you where like a breath of fresh air, yet l do believe you/we can overcome this problem, and stay with "us" it would be a shame to lose you. lt's my experience, Zane, that if you stick with it they will back off, ultimately they have nothing, they become impotent, sterile. john@john-mc.demon.uk l think Might l suggest that we pursue Larrys' idea a.s.a.p.
Member: Glen H
Location: TX
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 06:54:47
In the 16 months that I have been coming here, there are only a very few people who have consistently abused the guidelines. Very few. If that other format (Webbs) is so easy to use, and you like to consistently post over 300 words, please go start your own site like Tom suggested to Zane. This one works fine as long as the guidelines are followed.
Member: Denise J
Location: Michigan
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 07:29:48
Well, Well, Well, .....
First of all, I hate change, let's leave it like it is, please.
Zane, you have brought a lot to this page, and I will miss you. I don't always agree with your methods of reaching out to someone, but that's life- isn't it? Maybe we should just ammend the guidelines to help out the techs. A person shouldn't be limited to the amount they post, if they are sincere. I feel that everyone needs someone, there are some who actually need your input, Zane. Just leave the name calling, and bickering at your own coffee pot. I will accept whatever decision is made- like I have a choice? But, please reconsider your posts- before you hit that send button. You may be doing more harm that good.
Hey- the pictures of Riona and Jaq are wonderful!! The one I sent however... It's a Glamour shot- the other half of the picture is my daughter Hailey. Toothless little wonder at the time, she's an awesome little girl- I wish they would've included her too. As this is her recovery too. She's 12 now, she deserves a life of promises and of hope. Thanks be to God- for that Hope. Lighter side? Joke??
An amish boy and his father were visiting a mall. They were amazed by almost everything they saw, but especially two shiny, silver walls in the lobby- that could move apart and back together again.
The boy asked his father, "What is this Father?" The father ( never having seen and elevator ) responded, "Son, I have never seen anything lilke this in my life, I don't know what it is."
While the boy and his father were watching wide-eyed, an older lady limping slightly with a cane, slowly walks up to the moving walls and pressed a button. The walls opened and the lady walks between them into a small room. The walls closed and the boy and his father watched, small circles of light with numbers above the wall light up.
They continued to watch the circles light up in the reverse direction.
The walls opened up again and a beautiful 24-year old woman stepped out. The father said to his son, "Go get your mother."
Peace and love everyone- Prayers for me at 10:00 at my sentencing. Denise derealtor@northlik.net
Member: rose
Location: georgia
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 08:23:44
rose alkie here
JAMES - Congrats day 8, wow!!Sounds like were the newbies. Day 12 for me. know how you feel.
SANDERS - I agree, You guys cant leave me now! I just found you!
KERRY & JOAN - Can you share "lesson about links and introduce me to this grand new world?" Teach me.
RHIA - My prayers are with ya. Glad things are looking up!
Member: psycho
Location: at the farm
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 08:46:07
We the inmates have been listening to a tape by that Clarence Snyder dude,( thanks for the history jennifer) we were struck by a comment he made "... l don't get newcomers anymore, l only get them after you lot have screwed them up......lf you don't want what l've have, what are you doing here.....lf you want what l have you can have it in 2 days. Pity he's dead, though one of the inmates suggested we could have a seance and get in touch that way. Another of our gang is puzzled as to why so many people, J.R. and Sundance in particular insist on replying to the resident C.P. nutter\s, he reckons they're one and the same person, crazy, uh!!?? Another resident reckons that given the choice he'd take what Zane has after 2-3 yrs in preferance to what some have to offer after 15-20yrs, he finds the language of these people quiet shocking. We also have a db fan here (best place for him) he really appreciates his humility, his ability to apologies immediately and his all round goodness We tried to point out to this nutter that db often finds himself in these positions (see archives) Regularly apologising for his part in stuff, though seemingly ignorant of what he's actually done!? We also pointed out to this wayward guest(nutter) that if db sincerely wanted to identify his part all he has to do is Step 10 as it is in the Big Book and all will be revealed, then and only then will he be able to make a sincere apology, and only then will he stop acting like a spoiled child and grow up. We also suggest that you steer well clear of the subject of senility db!!!! And as for Zane, sounds like you've taken the easier softer option my friend!? You've got quite a few fans down here at the farm who'll miss you. yours in the hope that you'll avoid this place- the committee. P.S. Psychos back in the squirrel cage, his crime, we awarded him a medal for his long suffering leadership and guess what he did "HE WORE IT" now if that's not an example of "LACK OF HUMILITY" we don't know what is. He says hello to all his fans.
Member: Art P.
Location: New Bern
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 08:46:43
Thought I was becoming addicted to this site but no; it is more the people who share their ES&H, at this place that I look forward to meeting.
Sheryl, your 22 days are miraculous, as is James E. and the lady from Meridan, and the many, many others that this senile brain can't recall at the moment. You are the true carriers of the message. That this deal can be done one day at a time. Without injesting every thing about this program in one sitting. It is the newcomer that keep the newcomers sober. We who have time in the program are looked at as dinosaurs, who probably forgot what the hell it was like to shake, rattle and roll. And to some extent maybe we did, but you guys bring me back to yesteryear.
And then there are the heartaches of those who are doing the best they can, who share from the heart. It makes even a self-centered guy like me feel empathy, for the struggle we have to face in life from time to time. But the good news is that we don't have to get drunk over it today.
AA is a great place to come to learn how not to drink. But it is a far better place to come to learn to live life without drinking. I came for my drinking, and stay for my thinking.
To the many of you who have posted on the CP, I want to thank you for sharing parts of you life with me. God bless you, and all us sick/puppyette's
Member: Kristi
Location: Kansas City
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 09:36:42
I'm fairly new to AA ( 8 mths sober) and also to this web site ( 1 mth) I don't understand some of the "popular people" or those who think they are. At a "real" meeting we could NEVER tell someone to leave!!!! What the hell? How dare those people tell another suffering alcoholic to leave this site. I myself work the program of Alcoholics Anonymous from the BB and I follow the suggestions that are laid down in the BB. Being sober is not enough, I must show love and patience to all of those around me , not just the people I get along with. That is not the program that I am seeing here on this site. I am devastated, and feel that there is nothing that I can do. I don't care what people post, but I am here to help those around me by me sharing and hope that something I write may be of service to someone else, whether I am in a "bad spot" or not. I am confused that so many of the people here seen to bitch and then turn right around and do the same things they are bitching about other people doing. Personally, I see a lot of flirting, and e-mails, and of course those of you who think that this is a chat room to chat only with those people you seen to know and love. The over posting is also being done those 'same' people, and I just feel that this is not a "healthy" group if we can tell someone else not to post. My god, what if Zane was a new-comer, who was truly sick, and in his own way was reaching out for help? We just ______ him. That is not the AA that I practice, I can get that crap at the bar. I won't be here to read those nasty back posts to my post, cause I am going to go spend time with some real alkies who carry the real message!! By the way, boy, he really got to some of you didn't he, funny, I was taught that if I become defensive about anything that someone else says, I must have the problem. Thank you to those of you who have saved me many a dark night, God Bless you, and keep it up, the newcomer truly needs you, and you are here for a reason, to help me stay sober. Kristi
Member: tom t
Location: snowy Tenn.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 09:48:15
tom,alcoholic,etc., NEWBEASTIE,welcome back! AMY,good to see your post too! SANDERS,sometimes enough is enough and you have to stand up and talk back,thanks from this alkie for doing so.LILY,hope that little one gets well quick. JOHN MC.,speaking for me,I never argued with ZANE's message only the length.Some on this site refuse to respect my and others rights to access the CP. Used to be a rare time when the board got full but recently became a daily thing. I have critised DAVID B for frequent posts but he has tried and posts his e-addy,had ZANE done this before his dramatic exit,maybe things would have been different.But that is my friend another of those what ifs of life.ART,get the stove cranking,snow headed your way,buddy. LOVE TO ALL
Member: MICHELLE C
Location: CAMDEN CO.KINGSLAND GA
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 09:54:04
Hello all; I'm on day 17 here it feels good but still shakey. I finally got to my first f2f meeting last night. It wasn't so bad.got some razzin' but it was friendly,not cruel.(i knew everyone there)I really need to go to another that isn't so......predictable. maybe there were only 5 others there and I knew them them all.I got there though ....right?
PLEASE guys get along here.we all have somthing good here.LETS ALL GET AND STAY SOBER TOGATHER
I love you guys.you have all helped me out alot. ZANE includid.JIM C i m greatful for you.You've helped alot.Christine thank you too.
GOD BLESS YOU and help me to stay clean and sober this one more day .I'm out of here.....
........................MICHELLE C
Member: Sandra S.
Location: Vista, CA
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 10:27:38
To Marv B
Thanks for your comments. I appreciate your resonse. Yours was the only one I got.
I've been making some phone calls, and I am pleased with the positive responses and tough responses as well so I can anticipate different outcomes.
Thanks again.
Member: Paul B
Location: Cambridge,Ont
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 10:37:50
GET OFF ZANES BACK for Christs sake. He brings a message everyone if you'd actual read it. Its kinda like listening and a lot of people don't know how to do that well either! Nothing pisses me off more than self righteous people and can usually spot them a mile away. And I don't feel Zane is that kind of person. He works what works for him and shares it with us.
I went to a Priest and when we met he asked me to describe myself in 10 words or less. All I could think was "shit, I only have 10 words?" I forgot all about what the qustion he was asking. In my opinion the word limit is just a barrier to sharing fully. Bet nobody has ever been to a meeting where they say "please keep it short" and people still take all the time they require to share. I don't have a problem with that...Do you? Then why should we here? I understand that technical problems are limiting factors, but to drive someone away who has the desire to stop drinking and help others is unfucking believable.
Member: Jennifer Page
Location: Still in Upstate NY
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 11:07:08
JOHN Mc. I tried e-mailing you at the address you posted. (john@john-mc.demon.uk)and it was returned to me. Can you please e-mail me at Toto24522@aol.com? I have some info for you.
Member: tom t
Location: tenn
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 11:09:56
tom,alcoholic,etc.,PAUL,you cannot understand the technical problems or you would not post as you have.When I had an AA friend die and tried to log on,couldn't because ZANE had posted half the BB.When I was fighting a compulsion to drink I tried to log on and couldn't,cause he had posted the other half. The arguement ISN'T over the message,but I and others tried to get him to share cyberspace as well as his message. He refused to yield,that to me is ego run wild.I don't say this to argue with you,but people keep posting about poor ZANE,he has been welcome here,same as you or I,and yes I been to lots of meetings where people monopolized he time,if they needed it,it was granted,if they wanted to play guru,they were thanked and asked to sit down. BARRY L/TIM thanks guys.PAUL, my addy is tntom@webtv.net or anyone else interested in talking to this old former drunk. LOVE TO ALL
Member: Jennifer Page
Location: Still in Upstate NY
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 11:12:23
JOHN Mc. I tried e-mailing you at the address you posted. (john@john-mc.demon.uk)and it was returned to me. Can you please e-mail me at Toto24522@aol.com? I have some info for you.
Member: Curtis M.
Location: Boise, Id
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 11:24:49
Hello friends & fellow sufferers. Curtis M. grateful & recovering alcoholic. TERI F. Hello back to ya. ROBERT B. Pls. hurry & get that ark built. I see a bit of blue sky in the west. Maybe we will get a reprive for a while. My thought for the day. From, "'As Bill sees it." Beyond higher power, as each of us may vision Him, AA must never, as a society, enter the field of dogma and theology. We can never become a religion in that sense, lest we we kill our usefullnes by getting bogged down in theological contention. Not directed at anyone or anybody. Has just been a reminder that AA is not my religion, nor is it my life. Just shows me how to live without drinking. Love & Peace to all. To all the newbies, can't remember all names. Hang in there. I'll stop now and take another 24. Love to all Curtis M. Alcoholic.
Member: A Meeting Maker
Location:
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 11:29:32
Sorry but I have been to a number of meetings where the Meeting format reads, "this is a large meeting, our group conscience asks that you try to keep your comments brief so all may have a chance to share" Or something to that effect.
Have also been to meetings where the Leader will cut someone of who is rambling aimlessly, or sharing way of subject. Because it is that Groups Conscience that the leader should do just that.
Member: A Meeting Maker
Location:
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 11:30:36
Sorry but I have been to a number of meetings where the Meeting format reads, "this is a large meeting, our group conscience asks that you try to keep your comments brief so all may have a chance to share" Or something to that effect.
Have also been to meetings where the Leader will cut someone off who is rambling aimlessly, or sharing way off subject. Because it is that Groups Conscience that the leader should do just that.
Member: Just Another Alcoholic, Just Another Julie
Location: Jerusalem
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 11:53:41
I'm an alcoholic and an addict and my name is Julie MZ.
At "live" meetings, even if people monopolize the time, the meeting ends after 1 or 1.5 hours. No one can force a chairperson to show up at the clubhouse at 7am on a Sunday morning because someone saw fit to recount their E, S and H for an additional 3 hours... Thanks to the tech who was up at 7am this past Sunday, refreshing the site. I printed out the 52 pages (in miniature font), and took them home to read. Just prior to Barry's motion to close this page on Tuesday afternoon, the site was 62 pages (in miniature font) long.
At live meetings, the chair can also call those out of line to order. I've seen physical violence--and subsequent amends--in meetings. We all lived.
I attend a minimum of 6 live meetings a week. Still, this place DOES feel like a homegroup to me. There are people here I could never have met otherwise - people who provide me with a constant model of how to practice the spiritual principles of AA in all areas of our lives.
I hope there will be other options than to close this site. In my opinion, it has been very good for me. Then again, I thought alcohol and pills were good for me, and I've changed my mind about that...
Prayers for all who need them. Thank goodness Amy's well - hope you're back with us for keeps (is there a travelogue in the explanation for your absence?)
What good friends I have found here!
Much love from Jerusalem.
Member: Sheryl
Location: Atlanta
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 12:06:35
No time this morning..
Rose.. sent an email but I seem to be having some delays sending on this end..hope you see this. 3pm McDonalds, may be a bit late depending on length of interview. Hopefully see you then.
Later all
Member: Robin
Location:
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 12:16:43
Robin Alcoholic /addict This is my first trip to the CP. It would be a shame to do away with a place that could be of enormous help to those of us who need a place to go. I have found some of the posts a downright disgrace. It's a shame that there are a few not so nice people who are willing to ruin this for the rest of us.
Member: Denise J
Location: Michigan
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 12:17:25
Dugh, excuse me I'm having a brain fart.
I thought my sentencing was today- it's not until tomorrow. Geez I was soooo ready to get this over with.
I'll let you know how it turns out tomorrow.
Peace- Denise
Member: here we go again
Location:
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 13:08:28
Sheryl, Why not put an application in for grill person, that way you will spare us all the whining when you come off that pink cloud.Also we all will not have to spend wasteless time and postings to count from 1 to 22, again.
Member: Susan B.
Location: KY
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 13:24:12
Hi everybody, Susan, alcoholic....Sorry to see so much "disharmony" going on here...I for one must admit I did take part in the "Zane & Jrr" Flaming...meant every word but will try not to let my resentments flow over into the pot from now on. I hope there will still be a pot techs!!! Thanks for all you hardwork and commitment to the fellowship..you are appreciated!!!!!!!
It's good to see Tom T. Back! Denise, you crack me-up...I'll keep you in my prayers tonight! Dales S. good to see you posting again...and you too Lily, you were always a source of positive E,S & H..will keep your child in my prayers too...you also Rhia. Jacq. Mc...your's and Riona's pictures are beautiful...yours too Denise in your pink tutu!!!!!! Art P. you keep me in good spirits too with your jokes and your words of wisdom :}... David B. & Kerry, please stick around you are needed here!
Sander's, I like you...you are a man of grace..even when you gotta cuss'em out!
Christine..miss your "fire" here as of late!!!
Corrine...You always have good stuff to share for this newbie..please stay.
I was wondering if you all could give me some advice...the meetins where I go to in this small town has a person that likes to take things "outside" of the meetins and share them with other folks..have been told by some people wanting to attend AA that the whole town would know if they went because of this one person...I've talked with others who says she gives them updates on everyone's sobriety, etc. etc...personally, I don't care 'cause the whole town knows I am a drunk anyway..and am actually quite proud that I have finally been able to stay sober for 90 some days with the help of HP & AA. My concern is that she may be keeping other people away with the gossiping. What should I do or should I do anything?? Thanks in advance...I value your alls input!
Also, Kurt C. from Maine...what is your thoughts??
Member: Deanna E.
Location: Texas
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 13:26:14
Deanna here and I am an alocholic.
My vote? NO...I am sober 24 days today and EVERY SINGLE TIME I have had the urge to drink in that time I come here.
Yes I got very upset, a week ago and we rip-roared about it far too much. I wanted a drink and me being upset about what jrr said was my problem not his.
Like Craig from Oregon, I NEED this place. I NEED my f2f meetings.
Joan from NY, are you sure we aren't the same person?? I stopped 24 days ago and mine are 16, 14, 12. THEY HAVE BEEN ROBBED! And I have to make amends for that. THEY are the most important to me and I will be damned if it happens again. Their life passed by me so fast that I missed so much.
[[[[[[[[[RHIA]]]]]]]]]]..Thank you God! I prayed so hard for you and yours last night. He really does listen. Thank you for sharing that wonderful news. Let us know how he's doing??
God grant me another 24.
Deanna
(PS Gonna try and post a picture to the album..wish me luck!)
Member: Mark B
Location: Poconos, Pa
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 13:54:30
Hi I'm Mark and I'm an alcoholic.
Barry I remember when this site first started. I used to post on it quite a bit. One of the reasons I don't post on it that much is because of what it has turned into. There are so many multi postings, so much inventory taking, and charachter bashing on here that I don't even read it that often, it takes an hour to get through 1 day. I'd hate to see it go, but I also fear that if this is the first thing a newcomer sees of AA it doesn't reflect well of AA and how it really works.
I have one question for all of the people who post here. Who's driving your bus today you or your HP? When I'm driving, I take peoples inventories, bash thier charachter, and am totally out of control. When I let my HP drive the bus, I just sit back, enjoy the ride, and am at peace with myself.I don't have to do all the things that I do when I'm driving. I guess you could call it turning it over. I can focus on myself and not others.
All I have is today, and today I don't feel like driving.
I hope everyone has a happy 24. And if the Coffee Pot has to go I understand.
Member: Yvonne
Location: Chicago
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 14:06:48
Hi everybody, Yvonne a recovering alcoholic. Don't have too much to say other than I'm sober and pretty happy.
My vote is the keep the Coffee Pot up and going. I do understand your frustration Barry. Earlier this week I had a brief opportunity to check into the Coffee Pot and was not sure what the hell I'd walked into. Had I felt like cooking that day, I would have been tempted to stick around and pick up a few recipes.
Most of all wanted to welcome NEWbeastie back! It is about time! Please let us know more how it all went. I'm anxious to hear about it.
Take care everybody!
Member: rose
Location: georgia
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 14:59:52
I may be making a mistake, but I have made a decision not to come back to this sight for a long time, maybe never. The way most of you are fussing at each other is just upsetting me. I liked stopping in in the morning and this is just not how I want to start my day anymore. This bickering just makes me think is aa really worth it. If you were people I was around f2f, for my own good and not drinking, I would have to stay away. So, just like exdrinkers have to drop all of their old friends to make life better for themselves, I feel I need to let you go. Thanks to all of you who listened and helped me. Confrontations like these are not the way to live. Not for me, I'd rather be happy and this sight makes me sad. God bless you all and good luck. This newby needs to look elsewhere.
Member: Kerry B
Location: Idaho
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 15:08:21
Susan B. - drop me an e-mail, got something to share with you.
Kerry - alarmme@srv.net
Member: Julie V
Location: Groovetown
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 15:33:43
Member: Julie V
Location: Goovetown
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 15:43:27
Hi, Julie alcoholic here, Ive never heard so much bickering in my life. It sounds just like a bar room I once frequented. I have been clean and sober for 12 and 1/2 yrs. of 24 hours and I thought we were supposed to be kind and compassionate. The only person I cared about was myself 12&1/2 yrs. ago.
Why dont you all stop shooting the messenger. I dont think anyone here wants to be on top of a pedistal, as it is a crash when you fall off, when your not looking. This sobriety is an important thing. Its life or death for this drunk. Sooooo lets be kind to one another ugh?
Member: jrr
Location: harmony on the lake
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 16:10:28
well if that ain't the most self-righteous crap i have ever read.. how can a bunch of whiny pissy titty crybabies blame any thing on one person.. now that is about the most un-sober action i have ever witnessed.. THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS A DESIRE TO STOP DRINKING <.> <---- period No comma, no .". oh yeah and"....PERIOD i have witnessed a lot of bs at this site.. but to run someone out because you dont' like what he shares.. or how he does it.. now that is damn near satanic. All the little cliquesters who rant an rile about zane.. tell me how the hell you sleep at night..? God help the newcomer who comes across this absolute travesty in the name of jealousy, envy, fear and ego-driven attacks. ..on someone who just happens to talk differently. it took the mouth of an 8 month AA to succinctly state what is occuring.. god help this place now.. and those that visit unwittingly looking for AA.. . this deal is real.. .grow up already. Oh by the way.. great post jim .incidentally .. i finished waxing your workshoes and cleaned the ovens .. what next..? peace, jrr
Member: Shane G
Location: Hamilton ,Ontario
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 16:24:23
Rose dont let a person place or thing affect your recovery. I personally have contacted this site twice within a week. It is great to hear others share and i am grateful to this site for being here for people. If I was unemployed and not attending meetings i also might find the time to abuse this site, maybe i would post four maybe five times a day?? Im sorry some are sicker than others. Fact is and this is only whats been told to me, GO TO MEETINGS!! I am not going to get sober sitting on my rear taking other peoples inventory. I have enough resentments to tend with on my own so those of you who have let yourself build a resentment against another member or computer or coffe pot, its time to get rid of it. I have never witnessed anyone being pushed away from a meeting and if i have i would definetly be in the wrong place. I am very sorry i have submitted my input instead of sharing on recovery. I am going to go to a meeting tonight, a closed discussion meeting for i am told more work is to be done there, maybe i could share my feelings with you then THANK YOU! Keep Coming Back! Your not alone!
Member: Dale S.
Location: You Know
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 16:34:55
This might sound like a real stupid question but WHY? Exactly why? Seems as though every time someone steps over some hidden line the answer is "Close the Coffee Pot." Am I missing something here? I really love the Coffee Pot. I am down right obsessive with it. I just can't wait until tomorrow so I can send my 300 words out. I am not worried about the out come of this because I know it will be good. "All things work to the good for those who trust in God" Now don't get me wrong! I DO NOT believe that all things that happen are God's will (far from it) most things are caused by man's will. God has an incredible power to turn things around and make them Good. If we trust in him.
I have placed my dependence on God. If I do as he would have me do I feel good if I don't I feel bad. That is the short and sweet of it. "Follow the dictates of a Higher Power and you will presently live in a new and wonderful world, no matter what your present circumstances!" (pg. 100) I also must stand united with the fellowship of AA. Together we are incredibly strong divided we are common drunks.
These cyber meetings are a first in getting a world wide group of people together, on a continuous basis, to speak about the " AA message" do you think there might be misunderstandings a few rough edges? If there is one point AA has been driven home to me is that 'there in nothing to fear except fear itself.'
Welp! That all I have to say but I still have 14 words left so I leave you with this famous quote. "oops ran
Member: Dale S.
Location: dales71@hotmail.com
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 16:35:49
This might sound like a real stupid question but WHY? Exactly why? Seems as though every time someone steps over some hidden line the answer is "Close the Coffee Pot." Am I missing something here? I really love the Coffee Pot. I am down right obsessive with it. I just can't wait until tomorrow so I can send my 300 words out. I am not worried about the out come of this because I know it will be good. "All things work to the good for those who trust in God" Now don't get me wrong! I DO NOT believe that all things that happen are God's will (far from it) most things are caused by man's will. God has an incredible power to turn things around and make them Good. If we trust in him.
I have placed my dependence on God. If I do as he would have me do I feel good if I don't I feel bad. That is the short and sweet of it. "Follow the dictates of a Higher Power and you will presently live in a new and wonderful world, no matter what your present circumstances!" (pg. 100) I also must stand united with the fellowship of AA. Together we are incredibly strong divided we are common drunks.
These cyber meetings are a first in getting a world wide group of people together, on a continuous basis, to speak about the " AA message" do you think there might be misunderstandings a few rough edges? If there is one point AA has been driven home to me is that 'there in nothing to fear except fear itself.'
Welp! That all I have to say but I still have 14 words left so I leave you with this famous quote. "oops ran
Member: A Zane Fan
Location: everywhere
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 16:40:10
Corrinne; Let's see a person with grave emotional and mental disorder gee isn't that how all alcoholics are? Gee you must have been one of the perfect ones to have been able to stay in such a wonderful fellowship that allowed only the people who were without emotional and mental disorders! Oh by the way didn't you relapse while you were in that group or was it one of the offshoots or maybe one you started of your own??? I forget but I'm sure you will let us in on all your wonderful workings of AA (that is you always tell us about what you did previously BEFORE you relapsed how many times? !!! You definitely are something!!
Susan B;
How do you know the person is gossiping if you aren't also gossiping about her?
To Zane bashers: does it bother you that someone may actually know what he is talking about? You fine upstanding coffeepot kings & queens may have your own little court jesters soon enough (when you set up your own little worlds) for people who will only say nice things about you!!! You can call it the "worshippers of the coffepot king" (oops you'll have to choose that one -- oh wait-- he already told us who it was!!)
I personally felt Zane to be be one of only a very few honest people in this place.. for that he was crucified !!!!
To find out just how great these fine old-timers are and how well they work the program of AA just watch when they get their feathers ruffled and you will see how they really are underneath!
Best wishes to any newbie who falls for all the bullshit from the self-proclaimed old-timers on this page!!!!!!!!!
I love the ones you are total asses and then of course offer apologies after the fact (big deal)so that must mean we can all say our peace and then just tomorrow come back and say oh sorry hahahah.............
I especially think this is one of the most ignorant examples of how AA is worked by some people: (this was quoted by Corrine B) I'm reminded of my first home group in Merritt Island, FL, where we had a particular member who had grave emotional and mental disorders. Constantly made a mess of things in various & sundry ways. Well, at the end of the lease on that bldg., the whole group moved and wouldn't give that member the new meeting location. Tho' once the new mtg guides were printed up, that member did finally find it, and through many more resentments, another group was formed in town, and eventually, several more. I myself used to avoid mtgs so as not to run into this one or that one, and here I'm scrolling alot more than I'm reading of late, so I'm am going to take my leave.
Member: Herman B.
Location: West Michigan
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 17:17:11
Hello Everyone, I'm Herman B. a Recovering Alcoholic.
That being said, I really hoope the CP dose not get closed down, because of a few people that have abused this page. I'm including myself in that catagory as my first post was in retaliation to a post I read. I thiink Zane and a few others have the rite idea, so with that in mind I've decided that I will not be comeing back to this page, simply because I feel that I abused the CP from my first post and for that I'm very sorry for that,as I don't want to be a part of haveing this site closed because some of us don't follow the simple rules for posting here. Again let me say that I am verry sorry for being one of the ones to cause unrest among the many of you that come here, as this page can be a really good place to come for support.
Herman B, soslo@prodigy.net
Member: Kim D
Location: Florida
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 17:18:04
Hi to Everyone in the CP, I'm Kim, Alcoholic/Addict, this is not my first post here but it is my first post since last summer. I was glad to find you all still here. Last year, when I first found the CP, I had just moved from TN to FL so I was pretty lonely. In addition, I had to have surgery and ended up at home for a few weeks really struggling. I needed this place. Thank God you were around. There were strong opinions and a few "flames" flying then as well. Alcoholics with opinions, particularly in a "unstructured" discussion group seems rather appropriate to me. The first home group I was in was rather large and diverse. Many expressed opinions on "how-it-REALLY-works" and many expressed opinions about those opinions. My sponsor always directed my to read the BB and keep and open mind. The fact that people in AA didn't ask anyone to leave even for being "obnoxious or egotistical" let me know I was truly, truly safe and loved. I tried to get sober by going to church, but everyone there acted so perfect, I felt like an alien. That just didn't work for me. Being a recovering Alkie isn't always pretty, but it's me. I love my fellows in this program, opinions and all!! That how they taught me. Don't close the doors!!!! This too shall pass!! Love to you all and thanks for letting me share, Kim in Florida
Member: Geri W
Location: Va
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 17:53:06
Geri, a very grateful alcoholic here. Glad to see the CP was here when I got home from work. To all the newcomers, please stay sober. Don't drink, find a sponsor, work the steps and it will be ok. If I have been guilty of any of the negative talking, please accept my apology for it. I will not "buy" into it again. As long as this site exists, anyone who wants to share can do it - says so in the instructions. When we need to have "private" conversations, there are other means and I think we should employ them. It foesn't take much to say here's me address, write and discuss the issue. ( Just a suggestion that works for me. Everyone have a great 24.
Member: Lisa R
Location: Lewiston me
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 18:18:48
Hi Lisa alcoholic/addict Iam also grateful to have this here. Iam new around here just getting to know my computer. I'm glad everyone is here. being opionated is one of the many character defects that I posses as do many of my alcoholic friends it is something that I have learned to live with. one of my sponsors likes to say take what you need and leave the rest. not a bad suggestion for me. Iam grateful today first and formost that I did not have to have a drink today Thank You God
Member: Brian B.
Location: South Yorkshire, UK.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 19:04:38
My vote is to keep this site up and running. I have been in London for 3 days and so missed everyone`s post; I gather that the suggestion has come up that we are carrying the wrong message. This is not my experience. As an example, I mentioned to my home group the remarkable experience of James E finding the initial message on this site; everyone supporting him; and then him posting back such a positive reponse. I tell you, it brought tears to my eyes, and I don`t blub easy.
For Zane, yes, I have flamed you in the past; not for what you said, but the length and arrogance in which you said it,- then you post one for me that is meaningful and helpful: I hope you noted I said thanks on that occasion, that, I feel, is the true message of this site.
Jim R, had dinner last night in Brown`s Restaurant, London, one of the remaining places of our French Classic Culinary Art. The Confit de Caneton was superb, I really tried to work out the marinade for the garnish plums, certainly cinammon and ginger, but what else, je ne sais quoi? (Just as a talking point, I commis `d for Ernst Kolst in 1956 in Stratford-on-Avon, now there`s a story!(author, "The Complete Pattisseur")).
Denise, nice little story I picked up yesterday, 2 little boys talking, " dy`u- dy`u- do you know what I found" " no, wha- what did you found?" " I found a condom on our Patio" "Yea, - , -, what`s a Patio?".
Another day sober, isn`t it great to be alive and to just chat on this site about our day, sharing our experiences, good, bad, or indifferent. Thats life!! Keep coming back -
Member: Jim C.
Location: Atlanta GA
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 19:17:05
Hey everybody ! Hummmm well this is interesting reading ... Day 16 here and doing really good today after some pretty rough days. SHERYL & ROSE I know U 2 are hiding up in ROSWELL i'm in Mableton by charlie brown airport before U go away ROSE I hope U read this and contact me , I enjoy your comments . SHERYL U2.... The C.P. was very helpful to me the first couple of days, I would hate to see it go away. This seemed like the most comfortable place to share that 1st desperate Post.Thank God I found some friends on here and ICQ'ed or E'ed them and it's been just GREAT.As a desperate newcomer not sure what to say or do this was a LIFESAVER for me, a "jumpstart if U will". Well folks I feel the little crap is over so let's get on with the program. All U newbies out there go ahead reachout and do a little share-ware it's wonderful to be loved by others that don't even know ya. I'm out to f2f 2nite and everynite for that 90in90,read the 12&12 and BB to my wife "outloud for God's sake" everynite.Willing to do anything to stay sober and get a life (lord knows I needed one). Luv to all thanx 4 letting me share.
P.S. ZANE I never thought U an ASS just split personality maybe. Take care keep look'in in here.
ICQ # 32339868 pteinc@flash.net
Member: Dee F
Location: madworld@swbell.net
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 19:46:07
Just an observation:
Dale S, Sanders, Norm, and the other folks who decided to defect and create their own little world because they were so unhappy with the way things were...Where did honesty fit into the picture? Why could not one of you be honest enough to let us know that you started your own group and no longer wanted to share with us? Just being lurkers is not fair to those of us who are looking for fellowship from the "old- timers" who can offer us so much. Lurkers are kind of like spies -- checking out the opposition -- if I threaten anyone I am sorry.
I truly am discouraged with the actions of so called old-timers in AA who can talk the talk but not walk the walk..they come on here and are the Golden Gooses but yet can't be upfront and honest when it comes to walking the walk and putting principles before personalities.
Just step on an old-timers toes and he yells as loud as anyone!!!!!!!
For those people who no longer wish to be part of the Mad World please be honest enough to send me a personal post and tell me so.....
Any newcomer looking for friends to share with on a more personal and caring mode of communication we have a great email group of 30 honest, caring folks at:
madworld@swbell.net
Love to all (good luck on keeping the pot going!)
Member: Jay T.
Location: Door County Wis.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 19:52:04
Hi, Folks, Jay, an increasingly grateful recovering alcoholic, here. I need a bit of help from my recovering friends on the W.W.W.. I am trying to locate a quote from A.A. Liter- ature. I could swear (and often do!) that somewhere in the Big Book or 12 x 12 there is a passage that says "We are hard on ourselves, but easy on others". Does this ring a bell with anyone out there? I thought it had to do with either making amends or taking other peoples inventory. I, and a few people from my home group have been trying to find it for a couple of weeks now. Perhaps I read it in "As Bill sees it" or it's included in the 12 Traditions. At any rate, trying to find it is driving me bonkers. Any help would be much appreciated.
God Bless all of you and Thanks for being here.
Jay T.- Door County, Wis.
Member: db
Location:
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 20:51:59
Jay, page 74, "The rule is we must be hard on ourselves, but always considerate of others".
Member: Danny F.
Location: Fort Worth, (Cowtown) Texas, U.S.A.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 21:15:30
Hello, to ALL my AA Brothers & Sisters! My name is Danny, and, I'm a Drunk, who don't drink, TODAY! (Big MIRACLE!)
With all, I see, going on, here, on the CoffeePot, there's not much to say, about it, that has not been said, already. I do love this place, and the people who use it. Some have made me happy, glad or tearful. Others, have made me sad, angry, or greatful, but, each one, who caused some kind of feeling, were reminders, to me, that I am alive, today, and capable of having feelings! That's a GOOD thing! "NO!", I say, "Please, don't close this place. It's one way, for us to realize, that we all are, still HUMAN! What a wonderful thing!
Love, to ALL, on the CoffeePot! Thanks, for letting me share! BYE!
Danny F. - "Just another old Drunk & Junkie, finally, learning how to live!"
Member: Sanders W.
Location: Graceville, Fl.
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 23:33:53
Hi all ya'all I am very definately a real alcoholic and my name is Sanders----Want to share my good news on Tobie . I spoke to the vet today about Tobie and told him that she was eating well from my hand and her coat is starting to shine again and he stopped me and said " and you want to know if you can give her treats again Right?" I said right. He then told me I could but be very scarse with them. I was like a kid in the candy store trying to decide which one I could give her that she would like the best and still hurt her the least. I amso thankful she is getting better.----We are having a Country Round-Up 99 in April and one of the speakers is Clancy I from Venice Ca. The site for the program is an excelant facility and if anyone is interested in coming let me know and I'll Email you an application. I now have them in my scan file ready to go. If anyone is interested, I'll even bring you up to Graceville(13 miles nort) and get you some good oysters on the half shell on Thurs, Fri, or Sat of the week too..------My mother is doing well also and went and had her hair done so she feels much better today. Glad she didn't lose the toe and it is healing. God loves you and so do I sanders@wfeca.net
Member: ?????????????
Location: ????????????
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 23:45:16
OPINION ARE JUST LIKE ASSHOLES WE ALL HAVE THEM!!!!!!!
Member: Sheryl
Location: Atlanta
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 23:53:33
Evening..
First off.. Dale S.. thanks for the e, came at a most appropriate time for me this afternoon and put things in perspective so, thanks.
Well, survived the interview. We will see what happens. All day long had that phrase going thru my head "God either is or he isnt"... thanks kerry, I think *S* Still kinda hard to swallow that someone besides me knows whats best for me.. course then I have heard it said that a 2 yr old is capable of managing my life better than I have. Funny thing is when I look at that it makes way too much sense for my liking LOL.
Jim C... Am living in Marietta now, but know where Mableton is, tried to go to Windy Hill from Austell road once and wound up there (Mableton) LOL.. still not sure how that happened. Congrats on 16 days!
As for the stuff happening on here, dont really know what to think...just glad that the cp is still here.
Peace
Member: MaRY w
Location: kiss in ks
Date: 03 Mar 1999
Time: 23:57:10
hi all y'all, my name is mary and i'm a doper and a drunk. my vote is to find an alternative way to keep this place open. why? this place, the coffee pot specifically, saved my life yesterday. been dealing with some stresses lately and the possiblities of my mom having cancer, (they found two masses in her lungs and will have a biopsy next wed.) but actually i need to back up. it started about 6 years ago, went thru some bad experiences with service work and walked away from AA, NA forever, as far as i was concerned. one year ago, i got the internet and looked up AA on a search engine and found this site. it eased my way back into AA. i started to go to meetings again, and sponsor people, and celebrated my 10 year birthday here. because of this site, i was able to help god get a lovely lady (from this site) the help she needed to live. .monday night, i was in shock when i received the news that they found the masses in moms lungs. i posted for prayers (and they are still requested) and received several lovely responses. but yesterday, tuesday, the reality came rushing in and the projecting started. i wanted to act out soooooo bad.... to drink, use or die which ever came first or easiest. but, because i had accepted AA back in my life (because of this wonderful site) i went to a meeting instead. then i logged on last night and saw that the first life line i had to AA in many years was motioned to be shut down.. i felt lost.. but, i didn't drink or drug, because of those who posted positively. they helped me last night. thank you. you see it doesn't matter how many years a person has sober, there will come a time that they are vulnerable to drink. and only by the hand of AA being there, that they(i) are(am) kept from that drink. i have made many friends here.. please don't shut this site down......... i need you to be here in case there is a next time.... i'm still one drink away from a drunk. hugs
Member: MaRY w
Location: kiss in ks
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 00:08:59
sorry for the lenght but had to share that.... and my email is mtw@horizon.hit.net
Member: Connie -alcoholic
Location:
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 00:09:58
Hi Everyone,
I thought I would tell a cute joke today.
When a rooster laids an egg on the right side, what way does the egg roll, left or right???
answer later.
Member: Joan W
Location: Upstate NY
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 00:16:02
Hi Everyone;
I am an alcoholic and my name is Joan.
Deanna E. It sounds like at the very least we are soul sisters. If you'd like to chat my address is ILizzyT@excite.com
Sanders, I am so glad to hear that Tobie is doing better and that your Mom is able to go to have her hair done. And, how are you feeling?
Rose, I'm not sure how to make a link, I haven't tried it yet, but Kerry said you put http:// before the 'www."whatevah".com' part of the address. What I meant about the exciting new world, was the suggestions others had made about sites to visit.
To you rose, and Deanna, to Jim C and James E, and all the other newcomers, please connect with in person AA and find the miracle we have found. I was told to give AA my drinking time when I first came around the program. For me, that would have meant camping out at a clubhouse and taking up permanent residence, but I did go to 8 or 10 meetings a week for the first 5 years. It really helped. I hope this site survives, because I have come to really care about people here, but it's an adjunct to my f2f meetings, not a replacement for them.
Sam S., Rhia, Mary, you and your family members are in my prayers. I would love to hear how you are doing.
Thanks to all of you for helping me to stay sober this warm, rainy evening. (Weather has been really strange this winter).
Night, everybody. 'See' you tomorrow, God willin.
God bless us every one. Love, Joan (a grateful recovering alcoholci)
Member: Jim G.
Location: Maryland
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 01:18:29
I freqently attend an AA COURTSLIP meeting where many of the attendees bring slips with their names on them from courts, parole officers, etc to be signed by the meeting officer as proof of the attendees' attendance. All three of the meeting's officers---chairman, secretary and treasurer---attend the meeting on courtslips.And it's a good meeting, like most AA meetings.
Lately, the chairman, who is religiously bent, has been opening the meeting---after all our usual AA readings---with an inspirational reading from his Sunday school papers and asking for the meeting's comments or discussion on it. I've been thinking of taking him the Serenity Bible and suggesting he use it. That Bible, published by Nelson, is marked with references to the Twelve Steps. My idea is that it might be closer to our recovery program than his Sunday school papers.
Does anyone of you have any comments on my doing this---blessings, warnings, suggestions? I'd sure like to read them. Thanks. Oh yes, I'm an AA member. I need your advice!
Member: jim Roth
Location: Chgo
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 01:30:09
Mary, I'm still hitting the enter key with those prayers... I'll continue to think about you and your mom...
yours in the fellowship
Jim Roth
Brian, I'm into Haute Cuisine, Fusion, Pan Asian, Medeteranian, Cajun, Cally, Caribean, the whole gammet... Good food, eloquently presented... But for the life of me... I suck at french... understand the basic terminologys in production and food groups... but really Butcher the language... What'd you expect... I'm from the South Side of Chicago.
Member: Eric H.
Location: Harbor Island group, Larchmont NY
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 01:31:02
Eric Alkie.
Thank you God.
Whatevah... WWW.Whatevah.com...........Joan, killing me.
Lily...so glad to hear your son is out of the woods. Thanks for keeping positive, keeping sober and grateful.
Member: A Zane fan
Location:
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 02:08:43
Jim G, you might email your question to Toto24522@aol.com he will have an answer for your question.
Member: John F.
Location: Marienville,Pa
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 03:02:27
hi all, John alcoholic her just stopped in to say have a good 24,May we all find peace and serenity
Member: J. Christine
Location: Juneau, AK
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 03:37:16
Christine, and I am an alcoholic. I had an interesting meeting with my sponsor this evening and it always amazes me when I get through my reading how I feel afterwards or even sometimes during my reading. Still plugging away at step four and so far things are going the way they are supposed to be I guess,working through all my resentments and fears is amazing stuff, I am new in sobriety although I have been in and out of the rooms prior to making a commitment to work the steps. Probably the best decision I ever made in my life,although finding out who the real me is can be scary, I always want to find out the outcome, but I guess that will come once I complete the steps, so far I have been able to get through some pretty tough stuff and I couldn't have done it without the fellowship,my sponsor and my HP, whom I choose to call God. I hope to get to a point in my sobriety where I am able to live in my skin and began to like who I am. Thanks for sharing my sobriety one and all and welcome to the newcomer, and "Keep coming back", that was what I heard when I first came to AA and even if I didn't understand I just kept coming back.
Member: Dave L
Location: Eugene, OR
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 04:32:29
Hi, Dave here just wanted to say hi and this is my first time here. I just celebrated 31 months and am very grateful to the Program.
Member: karen B.
Location: Tucson, AZ
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 04:54:21
It surprises me how much I want this site to keep going. In light of my past experiences, I guess. I was anorexic as a kid - lots of reasons, but one thing it enabled me to escape from was the bickering in the ole household. Never did deal well with angry people or my own anger. I used selected portions of the Big Book to hide behind: oh how I loved that part about not being able to handle anger and some of the amends I made were sicker than what wrong I was trying to make up for. It was a long learning process. So it still surprises me that the bickering here (and anywhere) is okay with me. I forgot to include that from the severe anorexia, I slid right into uncontrollable drinking. You think alkies hate loss of control, try an alkie/anorexia combination - wheeee! So, anyway, I'd always wanted to be away from the people and the bickering, and the drinking got me there. I was so ALONE, and finally realized it was sheer hell. Bring on the bickering, bring on the people - can't explain it except to emphasize that i never want to go back to where I came from. Thank-you techs. I don't understand your job and i hope we all can help out. (Hope I'm under 300 words!) Love to ALL of you.
Member: Anonymous
Location:
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 05:22:14
I'm an anonymous alcoholic, First of all WELCOME to the newcomers, you are the most important people in this room. New people keep this deal alive. I've been reading this page for about 5 months now and have finally figured out what has been happening here of late.
Some that have been here awhile and have been helping each other and the newcomer have finally gotten tired of:
(picture this) this new guy who shows up and has taken a third of the chairs hostage at your home group meeting and has tied them together in a corner so nobody can sit in them.
Then a few of the people who are tolerated (as I was tolerated until I stopped stepping on the toes of others) because they usually get into verbal pissing matches, nothing to do with sobriety, just ego jousting, a little program thrown in for smoke screen, come in and tie up a few more chairs in their corners, at your meeting.
A few newcomers come in and share that they are hurting and cry out for help. Those that took the chairs hostage can't hear the crys because of the deafening roar of their own voices, so the newcomer's crys go unheard.
The regulars to this meeting show up, only to look in through the windows and see those new people and dry ones have taken over and the reason Bill and Bob started this deal goes unnoticed. The regulars hurt to help the alcoholic who still suffers, but the hostage takers have taken all the chairs and have barred the doors.
Those that take more than their one chair are not part of this program, they are abusing this site, they are actually loners, no matter how many people surround them, no matter what their message is, no one ever really gets in, everyone "gets it" in their path, their behavior screams passive-aggressive untreated anger, that blocks them. They may never get this deal if they don't stop and REALLY work the steps. Walkin instead of talkin.
I'll get my share of shots after this post, only because I hit some nerves. Watch the guilty ones line up to take their pot shots and place their names on the list of hostage takers.
Good for you coffee pot regulars, go get your chairs! I love reading the Discussion Meeting and the 12 & 12. I get so much out of them. Many of my friends do too. Maybe the cp can resemble the program now. Man I hope so.
I'm pretty new to this site, but not to the program, none the less I need this site, as I travel about 40 weekends a yr. (home this wk with the flu) My vote (if it counts) is to keep this place open.
One who cares
Member: Mouse
Location: surrey
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 05:26:40
Mouse here & I one tired Alkie/druggie
Sanders, I am happy that tobie is doing well....and your mom too... My prayers go out to every one who needs them..... I can't name them all today....I finally got on after my power going on and off all day... wind storm. Any way... I found out today that my baby, and friend Brandy my dog...... my sobrity pup { I like to say she's in Ala-pup.... Is also a diabetic.... The vet told me at 11 years old, it happends but.... there are more things wrong with her.... she has been acting really strange as of late..... the vet told me also that she has cancer.... I'm not doing well with this at all.....
My only other comment is that I don't want to lose this place..... I have too many New friends /family here.... my vote is to stay here.... Thats all thanks...
Mouse norsk@sprint.ca
Member: Glen
Location: Tx
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 06:43:50
Anonymous, let me go first.
Thanks.
Member: Denise J
Location: Michigan
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 07:44:48
Good morning one and all! Great news SANDERS, I'm praying for you MOUSE, cute joke BRIAN B, Hope you get good news SHERYL, LILLY- prayers are with you and your family-- my daughter, Hailey, is home sick today, with a 101 temp.
I'll check in after court today, yes I'm sure it's today! Really, I'm not an airhead!
JOKE FOR THE DAY>>>>
A 75 yr old man went to his doctor's office to get a sperm count, The doctor gave him a jar and said, "Take this home and bring me back a sample tomorrow."
The next day, the 75-yr old reappears at the doctor's office and gives him the jar, which is as clean and empty as it was on the previous day.
The doctor asks what happened, and the man explains, "Well doc, it's like this. First I tried with my right hand, but nothing. Then I tried with my left hand, but nothing. Then I asked my wife for help. She tried with her right hand, but nothing. She tried with her left hand, but nothing. She even tried with her mouth, first with teeth in, then with the teeth out, and still nothing."
"Hell we even called up the lady next door, and she tried with both hands and her mouth too, but nothing."
The doctor was shocked, "You asked your NEIGHBOR?"
The old man replied, "Yep, but no matter what we tried, we couldn't get that damn jar open!"
Good day all!
Member: Teri F.
Location: Marion, Ohio
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 07:52:14
Good morning all.
(((Mouse))))--so sorry to her about your beloved "Ala-pup". I have 3 dogs (who, by the way, have no clue they are dogs). They are really more like my kids. You and Brandy are in my prayers.
Welcome Dave L. from Oregon--So glad you found us. Hope you'll stop back again!
((((MaRY))))--Thanks for sharing about what you are going through. My dad is quite ill so I know exactly how you feel. I will continue to keep you and your mom in my prayers. Thanks again.
((((Sanders))))--So glad to hear your mom and Tobie keep improving. They are blessed, as we are, to have you.
Jim G.---I have no experience to share with you about the problem you described. The only thing I would suggest is that you talk it over with your sponsor.
Pierre---I really liked your idea but I don't think it is likely to happen. From my own observation, it looks like the committee in his head finally decided to split up and will now be posting under any number of "Anonymous" personalities. God help us!! LOL!
Hope you all have a wonderful sober day.
Love and hugs to all.............
Member: Bruce M
Location: KC
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 08:46:55
Hi I'm Bruce and I am an alcholic I have been in and out of sobrity for 15 yrs. But I keep sabotaging my sobrity. I have been sober now for 7 days. Making the local meetings every day. I really feel better about my attempt at sobrity this time. Why? I really can't explain, but I do. I never went to more than 1 meeting without waiting a few days in between. I have been to 5 meetings in 5 days so far. Maybe that is part of it. Also my HP is with me and I can really feel it. I am a computer nut, and never even thought about looking for AA on the web! Wow what a surprise to me. This site is great, and I use some others too. I hope stayingcyber.org never goes away! Thanks
Member: Lilly C.
Location: Alaska
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 09:11:05
Good morning friends, another sober one for me, the March sun is shining brightly...we are gaining 6 minutes of daylight a day now and it adds up quickly. Thanks for all the well wishes for me and my son, thanks to wonderful doctors and prayers from people who care he is almost back to his old self. I shudder to think what would have happened if I had been drinking when he became ill so suddenly. Not a day passes when I am not thankful for my sobriety. Thanks for the jokes Denise, and I'll be sending positive thoughts your way today. Mouse, as a fellow dog lover, you and your dog are in my thoughts and prayers today too. Let's keep the pot friends! Love to all, Peace, Lilly
Member: Susan B.
Location: KY
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 09:26:42
Good morning, Susan, Alcoholic. Just wanted to address "Zane Fan's" question about gossiping, first of all, a person came to me and wanted to go to a meeting with me but didn't because a certain person at the meeting has told her who attends, how long theyve been sober, etc. etc. Now, does that answer your questions Zane? Now let me show my ass before I leave the coffee pot cause it is obvious Zane and his one or two followers have contended to control it with there Nazi like AA....if it were for some fine!!!!!!!!!!! It is a book, written by a human, not by GOD,(excuse me GOD for what I'm about to say) it is not the FUCKING TEN COMMANDMENTS!!!!!! I like others have stated it was the lengths of your post that bothered everyone the most...those like Tom T. who was in need of an ear but could not get on because of your typing word for word from the BB. I can fucking read!!!!!!! Yeah, imagine that, Einstein..I'm from Kentucky and can read!!!!!! There is a God!!!! Anyway, obviously...I am still very sick at just 90 days because I told myself I was not going to get aggravated by this FUCKING NONSENSE NOR RESPOND TOO IT>>>but I have...but I am not going to drink over it.....Imagine that your FUCKING Lunatic, Zane....I'm not working your fucking Nazi program and I'm staying sober!!!!!!!!!!!! I normally don't like to be Nasty to people...but you, my friend, are not human....I believe there is an evil force in this world and I had never hope to come in contact with it...but after coming here and watching your evil, phsycotic, egotistical, crazy shit....I beleive I have come across that Evil force....you and your other personality JRR and all you other fucking crusty ass names you have for yourself....The fucking devil must be keeping you sober so you will drive God's people to drink..ain't gonna work here faggot boy! To the rest of you I apologize and appreciate what I have gotten from this site before Satan and his gang showed up!!! I never thought I would be preaching good and evil to anyone but Goddamn I have never run across the likes of this creep in all my life time. Sorry if it's over 300 frigging words..peace and sobriety to all who venture here.
P.S. InZane...kiss my fucking red rosy ass you Nazi Bastard...I'd rather be a crusty, shit in my pants drunk than to follow you and your psycho alkies.
Member: qqqqqqqqqqqqqq
Location:
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 10:07:41
looks like zane never left as he said he was going to. either that or jennifer is posting for him. going anonymous huh, zane. grow up. only those who have discovered that, although they no longer drink, they still have a living problem to deal with. they have not graduated like you, zane. if i knew it all and was RECOVERED, then i'm sure i'd be 6 feet under.
Member: Sanders W.
Location: Graceville, Fl.
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 10:08:38
Hi All Ya'all, I am very definately a real alcoholic and my name is Sanders. Mouse I am so sorry to hear about your "Brandy". As youknow I have a simalar situation and how important Tobie is to me and I want you to be assured thatboth of you are in my prayers regularly.------Mary, I too know how hard itis to deal witha sick or aging parent as you are having to do right now. It may not help you much but this hasd been a strong support in hard times for me. God was in control, God is in control, and God always will be in control and my responsability is to be compatible with His will for me in each situation. Know that you and your mother are in my prayers too Mary.-----I echo Glen's thanks to you Anonyymous.-----Glad to hear from you Lily up in the land of the frozen tundra. I still have trouble visualizing how you people function when it is so cold as you have described in the past but Iknow you do because lifew goes on.-----I hope all have a great, sober and happy 24 hours. God loves you and so do I. sanders@wfeca.net
Member: SHIELAH S
Location: OHIO
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 10:29:40
Shielah-Alcoholic here. Man I cant believe all this crap on here. SUZAN B.-It sounds to me that Satan has you right where he wants you all that "F"ing stuff flowing out of your mouth and the anger man-i'm glad i don't feel that way-I would drink for sure. What happened to Live and let Live, or to understand rather that to be understood, to comfort rather than to be comforted. I try not to judge(that is not my job) I was taught to look at the good in people. Its true that some are sicker than others-and it may not be their fault , but who am i to condemn them. MOUSE- my prayers are out for your pup. Hang in there God will get you thru. DAVE-welcome and congrats on 31 months. BRUCE-congrats on making it back-you may not have another one out there. Keep going to meetings and leaning on your Higher Power. Hope all have a sober and happy day. Lets try to care about the alcoholic in and out of these rooms that still suffers instead of cutting them up. This is a program based on attraction isnt it??? Love to all!!
Member: Deanna E.
Location: Texas
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 10:37:39
Deanna E. here and I am an alcoholic. DENISE J...YOU'RE KILLING ME!!! I look so forward to your jokes and pray for you today with your court deal.
Mouse..how ironic. I was at work yesterday and my daughter called me and our schnoodle (yes I said schnoodle, he's schnauzer/poodle..he's a schnoodle) was very sick. It scared the hell out of me. My current husband and I met after both being put out to pasture in the baby dept. Our schnoodle, Curly, IS our baby. As soon as we got home from the vet I came straight to the CP. He may have parvo. There has been a strange stray dog in our neighborhood and Curly got into a fight with him and broke one of his front toenails. It bled and bled and bled. Now he's having other problems. Please keep him in everyone's prayer. He is so precious to us and if we lose him It will be very hard to handle. I pray for your dog too Mouse and Sander's Tobie and Lily's.
God grant me another 24.
Deanna
Member: Anonymous
Location:
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 11:09:30
And the next one up for judgement is........
Member: Larry M.
Location: Virginia Beach
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 11:23:15
JIM G: It is highly improper for an AA meeting chairperson to read from Sunday School papers or the Bible and then ask the group to discuss it. The chairperson is the only visible "authority figure" at an AA meeting and as such shouldn't be creating the appearance that AA endorses a specific religion or religious beliefs. The Preamble, which presumably is read at the beginning of your meetings, states in part, "A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination...". Reading from Conference-approved literature (BB, 12x12, ABSI, Daily Reflections, etc.) would be more appropriate.
ANONYMOUS: Your post was 470 words. As calculated according to the guidelines for this room, you just took up over 1 1/2 chairs today. But thanks for the segue back to the CP's problems and possible solutions.
When a f2f meeting that starts in a small room becomes successful and attendance exceeds the size of the room, what is done about it? Do we limit the number of people permitted to attend? Do we close down the meeting? Of course not! We go out and find a bigger room. That’s where the suggested software changes may help to eliminate the source of a lot of irritation around here, i.e. numerous lengthy posts that cause the techs extra work and make it difficult for some people (e.g. WebTV users) to access the page.
Two more suggestions: (1) Instead of letting the situation get so out of hand that the techs finally blow up, maybe we should have a rotating "Chairperson" who gently reminds violators to conform to the guidelines. (2) Perhaps a separate “business meeting” room could be set up for complaints about rule violators, suggested changes, etc. It might redirect some of that hostility away from the CP and into a more appropriate format.
(300 words!)
Member: david b 9/8/81
Location: Idaho Falls (BIMINI)
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 12:21:27
Morning all, I got to sleep till 9:30 this morning so I guess everybody has more time than I do for today.
Glad our newcomers are getting along a little better. Remember, “If ya don’t drink ya won’t get drunk”. It is the first drink that gets ya drunk, like it or not. Even if it’s only got one half of one-percent alcohol in it.
Hope your sentencing goes ok today Deanna, bummer to have to go through but take your HP along and everything will be cool, well almost. I put you and jrr both on the pic page last night but I separated you by a couple lines so he will be safe. LOL
Susan, hang out darlin, it's OK today. I know that blowing up on the CP is frowned upon but one of the things this room is about is dealing with what’s bothering us. I KNOW you feel better, now let it go and stay here. We all need each other and leaving this site isn't going to do any of us any good. If you want to chew on anybody’s ass again email me at abonded@srv.net I have big ears and am working on developing a non-judgmental attitude. God hasn't quite gotten around to finishing that phase of my development yet though.
Mouse, I’m sorry to hear about your pooch, we have 2 and it just about kills me when one of them gets sick or we lose one. I still remember kneeling on the floor holding Cody when our vet put her down, she was an 80 pound golden retriever, cried like a baby for days , still miss that old dog. She was 11.
“Judge me by my actions, not my words.” Less than 300 words, but not by much.
david
Member: Connie
Location:
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 12:31:23
Hi Everyone,
forgot to post the answer to the joke oops so when a rooster lays an egg, on the right side, what way does it roll, right or left?
Neither, rooster dont' lay eggs.
Member: Deanna E.
Location: Texas
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 12:37:13
David in Bimini? I am not going to court, Denise is. But thanks for posting the picture!
Member: Carol D
Location: Dallas, Ga.
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 12:39:32
Hi Everyone,
For the newly sober and the retreads......Please stay in the program. The life you save will be your own.
A special thanks to Rose, Sheryl, Laurie, Deanna, James E, Jim C. and Bruce. You guys keep me remembering how I used to be.
Comment...Does the use of vulgarity enhance the new life we are taught in AA? I think not, but that is only my opinion. If cussing keeps you sober, rave on!
In the spirit of fellowship,
Carol
Member: david b 9/8/81
Location: Idaho Falls (BIMINI)
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 12:55:01
Please excuse the double dip but that darn Kerry told me, "get Deanna's pick up on the board cause she's goin to court on Thursday." Like a good subserviant hubby I followed directions and failed to research the data I was given. And it was very late, I was brain dead but still functional, Kerry kept on saying, "We should have been in bed hours ago", she was right and wrong at the same time! LOL. Sorry about the mix up, are you sure you aren't due in court today?
david
Member: Denise J
Location: Michigan
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 12:56:20
Denise here, court is over....
I'm not in jail!!
I must obstain from alcohol, for 24 months of probation- I really want to anyway!
I must submit to testing, if they feel it is warranted.
I must attend AA, on a regular basis.
I am going to have to do 24 days of Sherriff's work detail.
I am on a passive tether for 6 months- no ankle bracelet, just make sure I am here when the phone rings. I am installing a new phone line on Monday, because I can't have a computer**ugh**, a fax, caller I.D., answering machine or a cordless phone on the designated line. I will not be able to use my PC until this is completed on Monday- I'll miss you guys. Email me, I'll check it on Monday, so I don't miss anything. derealtor@northlink.net
Thanks for all of the prayers, and well wishes, I'll see you all on Monday! Thank God, for how he handeled this for me too! I am sure he kept me out of jail.
Stay sober everyone!
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 13:41:50
OPEN LETTER: At no time have I posted under any other name than my own. Furthermore, Jennifer hasn't either.
Your paranoia is amazing.
When I write, you'll know it.
Member: Richard F.
Location: North Virginia
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 13:43:51
Hey, Richard F. from Vergeenia via Florida, DC, and Philadelphia am back in the fellowship following a 9-year (hazydazy) relapse after first getting sober in the early '80s.. yeah can you believe I was SOBER for a lot of that?? Being a newcomer AGAIN sometimes Sucks Badly, but I'm getting the help I need CAUSE I'M ASKING FOR IT, DUMMY!! (FROM HP and all of you)
LOVE & Peace
Member: Sam S
Location: Kansas
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 13:54:19
Joan.....Thank you for remembering me in your prayers and concerns. At this time , my Mom is basically the same, just not so verbal about it. Her resentments towards me and my brother are the same. She has told Dad that she "thinks" she can forgive me and bro, but that she'll never forget what we did to her. Just another resentment for her to keep score on. I'm hanging in there and praying for God's will today, not mine. Congrats to Denise and God has great plans for you and all of us. We just don't know what they are til He sees fit to reveal them to us. Prayers are with all animal lovers on this site. I don't consider our animals pets. They are our children and when they hurt, we hurt! Need to go back to work as I'm already 2 minutes late from lunch. I'll take another 24.
Member: amy
Location: pekin
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 14:44:34
hi i'm amy an alki
i am new to coffee pot.i have been sober 5 years. i think it would be bad to get rid of coffee pot. i think it does do good for one aa member to help another here. there are always going to be those who want to do it there way. not tre aa way. what i like is i dont have to read what is not about aa.
thanks for letting me share
Member: DONALD M. 4785 DAYS AND NIGHTS
Location: PASADENA,CALIF
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 15:02:46
DONALD,ALCOHOLIC
GOD PLEASE KEEP ME SOBER TODAY.
THE COFFEEPOT IS STILL AN ENCHANCEMENT TO MY SOBREITY. THE CP REMINDS ME OF A F2F MEETING. IT GOES UP IT GOES DOWN, AND IF YOU LOOK AND I DO MY PART ,THE MESSANGE OF RECOVERY IS THERE.
KINDA LIKE TAKE WHAT YOU NEED AND LEAVE THE REST. ALONG THE WAY I WILL KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND PRAY FOR THE WILLINGNESS TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
I AM BETTER OFF NOW THAN I WAS WHEN I WAS DRINKING, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. I NOW HAVE EXPERIENCE BEHIND ME TO RE-ENFORCE MY FAITH IN MY HIGHER POWER (((GOD))).
THE PROMISES ARE GETTING STRONGER AND STRONGER. I AM GRATEFUL TO BE SOBER TODAY. LIFE GOES ON , WITH OR WITHOUT ME.
I REACT AND GET RESENTMENTS EVERY DAY. I NOW HAVE THE TOOLS ((SPIRITUAL)) TO DEAL WITH LIFE SUCESSFULLY WITHOUT A DRINK. I WILL KEEP COMING BACK. I DON'T LIKE WORKING THE STEPS,,REQUIRES WORK AND I AM LAZY,,BUT I SURE LIKE THE RESULTS.
I PRAY FOR PEACE AND SERENITY ON THE COFFEEPOT AND IT WILL CHANGE....IT WILL GET BETTER OR WORSE,IT WILL NOT STAY THE SAME. SO PLEASE CUT THE BULLSHIT AND LET'S TRY TO HELP EACH OTHER TO TRUDGE THAT ROAD TO HAPPY DESTINY TOGETHER.
LOVE TO ALL....DONALD
P.S. I WILL MISS THE COFFEEPOT IF IT GOES AWAY BUT I CAN STAY SOBER NO MATTER WHICH WAY IT GOES.
Member: A Zane Fan
Location: creepsville
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 15:06:53
Susan:
My, my, you certainly are upset with someone or is it really something inside you that you don't like ... instead of blaming, crucifying or using the word fuck 8 times in a post to express yourself (out of 419 words) why not try practicing what you preach (good and evil)?
Sounds like maybe you do need to go take that drink if you are such a miserable dry drunk anyway!
The Big Book was writeen by several people who actually worked together for the common welfare of others!!! what a concept..
If you can read as stated (even tho you're from Kentucky) then maybe you should try reading it!!!!!! and find out how the suggestions have worked for millions of people BUT then they were willing to walk the walk and work the steps but I guess you have a better way????????
If you think what you have is sobriety then I guess you will find out the hard way that until you change everything you will change nothing! Good is not lashing out at someone who is trying to save a life...hopefully you will not be the next person drowning and that Zane is the only one there to rescue you cause if it was me I would probably have to really think about it!
PS...Posting as A Zane Fan because I wouldn't want you to have to rack your brain remembering who else is a creep...BUT THIS ISN'T ZANE! Just someone who admires someone who is trying to walk the walk and of course some folks can't stand that (especially if they aren't doing it!)
Quote from Susan: I never thought I would be preaching good and evil to anyone but Goddamn I have never run across the likes of this creep in all my life time. Sorry if it's over 300 frigging words..peace and sobriety to all who venture here.
Member: Eric H.
Location: Harbor Island Group, Larchmont NY.....gumheads@aol.com
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 15:12:54
Eric Alkie.
Thank you God.
Zane...I disagree strongly with your message at times. Have since the first day, but....and I truly meant this very strongly, you have helped people here, and that is more important to me than my own thoughts and feelings. I would ask you to stay, to respect the guidelines for posting here as most of us try to do ( not always me ). I reserve my right to disagree, but nobody in my opinion has the right to judge who can be a part of AA.
Member: Laurie W
Location: Long Beach, CA
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 15:39:49
Hi everyone, this is Laurie and I'm an alcoholic. I'm back, only part time for now, I don't have my computer yet. I'm at the Library, they are very limited, can't even do e-mail. I just wanted to say hi. I made it through this one alive. I'm living in a sober-living house even though I didn't go back out. It is where I need to be to stay safe. It's good to be back. Thank-you everyone for your support. Thanks for letting me share. Love, Laurie
Member: Larry M.
Location: Virginia Beach
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 15:46:20
Welcome back Laurie!!!!
Sent you an e-mail the other day. It'll be waiting for you whenever you're able to pick it up.
Good to see you back on the Coffee Pot!
Member: Alcoholic, Addict, Julie
Location: Jerusalem
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 15:50:11
At a live meeting, the topic is Step 2. I share about how at the treatment center someone read Step 2 to us and I was ZAPPED by unconditional love. It lasted for hours. Better than drugs. The people around me recognized it, joked a little and then left me to "bliss-out" in peace. My sponsor was so proud - I was her first pigeon and "it" was working.
After I've shared this at the topic meeting, a person whose program I have admired shares that "until you finish working ALL the steps, even THINKING about a spiritual experience is ridiculous!" (And I'm thinking to myself, "Oh no, Julie...have you been making up those stories again?!)
So at last night's meeting, when the topic is "spiritual experience", I refuse to speak...(sigh)... In fact, I may NEVER EVER share, AGAIN...(big sigh...!) LOL, but I'm humiliated.
Then, I re-read Christine M's post: "(After 10 years, I)...have realized that if I disagree with someone, sober or not, that does not mean that I have a problem. Simply a different opinion." Oh!
If I can remember it, that post will have saved me 9 years.
So, at the next meeting, I'm going to share my head off. For hours. They'll have to remove me bodily at 7am because I just won't stop talking...and it will be all Christine's fault. (Tks, C.)
Julie F - I was very touched by your post about your son, as well as some other mothers, here. Although I had commenced my amends to my son months beforehand, I was haunted by visions of him as a small child (he is an adult, now) and by an inexplicable longing, missing that little boy so much. Then, a woman from the US visited our group and gave me great insight. She said she realized that, while she could make amends to her grown children, she would never be able to make amends to the babies they had been. I identified with this very strongly. She said those amends would have to be made with God. Since the sponsor I had for my 8th and 9th steps didn't have experience with this, I tend to think of this woman as an angel sent just in time. She even looks a little like an angel...
Sometimes I get gifts (like Fayla, too - thank you, Angel!)
Larry M. 300 words! Speak to me, man! Are you okay? Mouse and MaRY, we're praying here in Jerusalem, too. How's Laurie doing? And Terry?
Richard F - Welcome. We're really glad you made it here and hope you'll keep coming back.
Lots of love from Jerusalem.
Member: Susan B.
Location: KY
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 15:55:55
Zane Fan, you are correct about my words here...I apologized for them in advance...I also stated that, yes, I am still sick, at 90 days sober...and probably will be at 90 years...but I am trying. Sometimes old habits are hard to break. So, no I didn't talk the talk, sir or madam, but I have been walking the walk to the best of my ability right now. If you would care to scroll up a few....I had asked advice on how I might help a friend get to AA but is very leary because another person who attends AA discusses things outside the meeting. I have not gotten any suggestions...just a "how would you know if your not gossiping yourself?" type shit..excuse me shoot. If you, my friend, want to help me walk the walk, give me some advice?? My talk here, today, is a result of still not being able to live and let live...but your god, Zane that you choose to idolize, has not been talking the talk either(completely) and he is 2 years miserable...I mean sober??
Love you till it hurts Zane Fan
Member: Susan
Location: KY
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 16:01:49
P.S. you can use your name. I won't be posting anymore. Just wanted to add, that if you'll scroll on back someone posted of which is better to drink or commit suicide....only a couple of people posted back to that person. And it sure wasn't Zane...he was too busy spitting out quotes instead of reaching out his hand to his fellow alcoholices...that my friend, is what this is all about!!!!
I think I love you even more this post!
Member: Yvonne
Location: Chicago
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 16:11:54
Hi everybody, Yvonne a recovering alcoholic. Hope everybody is working on having a good day. It's always such a struggle in these parts for winter to eventually convert over to spring. But God, am I ready!
KAREN B. in Tucson, we have something in common and that I also come from the alcoholic/anorexic nightmare. Brought back some memories reading your post. Never really thought about how "challenging" it was indeed to do both. Eventually the booze won out and the weight started slowly coming back on. I was so devastated, felt so out of control (like I had any to begin with!) I remember stupidly thinking how I'd "beaten" the anorexia all on my own. I didn't get it at the time that I'd only switched vices.
MOUSE, I really, really feel for you. I just adore animals with a passion and have never felt they were "just pets". They are so loveable and truly give that love back unconditionally. I know it does not make it any better, but 11 yrs. is a good long life for your sweet darling and I am sure she's had a great one living with you and your family.
On the subject of pets, DAVID B., Golden Retrievers - the absolute best dogs in the world! Would not hurt a flea. Tails are always waggin' and they are just so damn happy to be alive.
JIM G. I know you've asked for advice and some people have given you some good stuff. My initial thought was, if I had been court ordered I think I would be turned off to AA thinking your meeting was a representation of that with its religious overtones vs. spiritual ones. If people want religion, let them go to church.
Take care everyone!
(300 words, damn I'm good!)
Member: Dale S.
Location: California
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 16:13:29
Welcome back Laurie is is so wonderful to see you back it seems like such a long time.
Member: Alcoholic Julie
Location:
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 16:14:30
Welcome home, Laurie!
Member: duh
Location: somewhere where nephews don't call auntie mom
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 16:28:45
susan from KY you are nothing but a whiny pissy titty crybaby... why dont' you go take the drink you crave.. ? and stop slamming folks you dont' know, besides.. that jrr dude is ok.. ask sundunce.. or even chef to the starz.. Jim R.. they know
Member: Mouse
Location: Surrey B.C.
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 16:45:42
Hi Mouse here, and I'm a Alcoholic...
Thanks all for the prayers for my baby brandy.... I also have two other dogs, and a whole bunch od other animals.... But my baby is mine the others except the rats, there mine too... the others belong to hubby/kids...
MARY W... I hope all is well with your MOM, I'm still praying..... I sure Miss my MOM...... Deanna, Parvo, man thats bad.... I have had some of Brandy's pups come down with that as there masters walked them through a park or where ever.... Not nice at all. My prayers are with ya.... Sanders Thankyou my friend.... I hope tobie gets a treat soon, I know it would drive me nuts watching brandy beg.... David B, my friend thank you oh so much, you and kerry have been part of my life since I first came here, and I love ya both.... I have ta go now Love ya all...I wish you ALL another HAPPY, SOBER, 24& one for me.
Mouse norsk@sprint.ca
Member: Geri W
Location: Va
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 16:46:49
Geri, a very grateful alcoholic here. Dave L - welcome. Hope you find what you need from here. Mouse - so sorry about your puppy. Deanna, hope Curly is ok. Bruce - 7 days! Wonderful. Sam, give your Mom some time. You were there for her when she needed you. Laurie - good job. Hope the computer gets installed, so you can stay in touch. To all the other newcomers, welcome. Folks, I'm over the Zane, Zane followers, Zane bashers, whatever. If Zane wants to be part of the group, it's his decision. If he choses to leave, it's his right. I refuse to let this issue occupy space in my little brain. Suggest we all let the HP handle it. Hugs
Member: Deanna E.
Location: Texas
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 17:38:54
HOw come you can't play poker in the jungle???
Because there is too many cheetahs!
Member: Dale S.
Location: California
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 17:55:47
Resentment that we think is the number one killer of alcoholics. Anger is the dubious luxury on normal men but for alcoholics it is POSION. Why does the big book say that anger kills more alcoholics than anything else ? If anger is number one then "I'm to busy" must be number two. ------Welcome Bruce. Sounds like your on the right track. Hope to see you back here soon.--------- Hi Julie. What you had was a sudden spiritual experience. People have been having them before there were 12 steps. I have never had a sudden spiritual experience but I know they are real. They have been happening sense the early times of man. When did Bill Wilson had his Spiritual experience had he done the 12 steps? Who ever told you, you didn't have a spiritual experience is a fool, shun him. I would love to hear more of your experience dales71@hotmail ---Welcome back Zane. NBD---Laurie is it real good to see you back. ----Going bowling with the AA gang tonight and then to an NA meeting. Life don't get no better than this. ROTFLOL ==good joke Deanna==
Member: Robert B.
Location: Boise Idaho
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 18:06:14
Hi, Robert here. I am an alcoholic.
I agree wholeheartedly with Larry's post concerning bible readings or outside literature in an AA meeting. It vialates the traditions and it is not AA.
Those of us who have been around the program for a while have dealt with gossips. Get the person to a meeting! If she works this program she will learn to keep to her own business.
Welcome to the newcomers. There is a wonderful way of life to be found through the steps of AA. Alcoholism is a terrible destroyer, you can find recovery here.
Peace
Member: Roland F (A Zane Fan)
Location: creepsville USA
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 18:17:30
Susan;
"oh I don't want to go to the meeting because someone will know or talk about me or whatevah" big deal -- most people already know your are a drunk ..isn't it better to be a recovering drunk and talked about for going to meetings than a falling down ass who has black outs who can't find the front door (of the club)? Who are you trying to impress here anyway -- your ego is really going to get you girl!!! No one else will have to say anything as you yourself seem to be your own worst enemy!!!!!!!!
By the way, does your town only have one AA meeting place, group, club whatevah??? That's a real good excuse you're friend is using tho. lol
Again you seem confused Susan, talking the talk is someone who spouts AA at people and knows everything but ain't living it or showing it and walking the walk is some who can put personalities before prinicples and follow the 12th tradiotion as well..SO LOOK IT UP IN YOUR OWN BOOK!
Yes, you are right on one thing -- 90 days sober(?) will probably be the same for you at 90 years from you unless you take the suggestions and change everything (about you that is) and stop criticizing others you are jealous of for having what you may never have!
Member: Art P.
Location: New Bern
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 18:30:13
LAURIE welcome home hope your feeling a lot better than you were awhile back. Thanks for touching base with us, and good luck and God bless you!
Tom, I don't see any snow yet but it's cold enough for a far, so I got one burning. And it dam sure isn't as cold as it was in Greensboro last night. They could have played the game in the parking lot. LOL
A few of the younger guys at meeting made plans to go see a hockey game in Greensboro, one of them got sick and couldn't make it, and my pigeon called to ask if I'd go. Not only did I see the Hurricane win last night, but also got to go to Hooters. Wow! Who says you can't have fun in sobriety. Even though I had to listen to music I don't understand. Ah, youth!
Technology 4 country folk
1. LOG ON: Makin' the wood stove hotter.
2. LOG OFF: Don't add no more wood.
3. MONITOR: Keepin' an eye on the wood stove.
4. DOWNLOAD: Gettin' the farwood off the truk.
5. MEGA HERTZ: Wen yer not kerful gettin' the farwood.
6. FLOPPY DISC: Whatcha git from tryin' to karry too much farwood.
7. RAM: Whut you gotta do wen the farwood don't fit in the wood stove.
8. HARD DRIVE: Gettin' home in the winter time.
9. PROMPT: Whut the mail ain't in the winter.
10. WINDOWS: Whut to shut in the winter.
11. SCREEN: Whut to shut wen its blak fly seeson.
12. BYTE: Whut them dang flys do.
13. CHIP: Munchies fer the TV.
14. MICRO CHIP: Whuts in the bottom of the munchie bag.
15. MODEM: Whut cha did to the hay field.
16. DOT MATRIX: Ole Dan Matrix's wife.
17. LAP TOP: Whar da kitty sleeps.
18. KEYBOARD: Whar ya hang the dang keys.
19. SOFTWARE: Them plastic forks and spoons
20. MOUSE: Whut eats the grain in the barn.
21. MAINFRAME: Whut holds up the barn.
22. PORT: The noise the fawsit makes at night.
23. ENTER: Yankee talk fer "C'mon in"
24. RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY: whut happens wen the wife asks you whut ya payd fer the shotgun.
Member: Bill J. 12 19 75
Location: Kingsville Texas
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 18:31:21
Hi my cyber friends. I am saddened that some would choose to leave C.P. rather than make an effort to comply with the rules. I am saddened when newcomers leave because so much nasty garbarge goes on here.I am saddened to see baiters on here trying to start more garbarge. I am saddened to see people flamed for not agreeing with others. This place can be a place for much good for all of us
I agree that religious material is not proper for a AA meeting.
Susan B. there is not much that can be done to stop people from gossiping and breaking others anomynity. What I have done in the past is confront the person and tell them they are keeping people from comming to meetings. Sometimes it works but not always. The only other thing I know it to go a different meeting.Sometimes that is not possable.
The newcomers please go to real meetings and get a sponsor as soon as possable. This thing works if we work at it. LOVE to my cyber friends. wjones@interconnect.net
Member: ODE TO THE COFFEPOT
Location: Caffeine City
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 18:40:24
ODE TO THE COFFEPOT
The Coffee starts brewing very early every day We rush to the puter to see what who had to say
We take the first cup and it's so sweet swelling and nice Then with the next cup we may find an added little spice.
Cup by cup we find it gets a little more bitter as the day goes by But we don't miss a drop even if we bother to wonder why.
The nastier it gets the more attraction it does hold The ignorant come out in masses and truly become bold.
We run to be first so we can scan thru the pages not yet read We act insulted if we don't see our names..of this we so dread.
The day goes by and the pot is refilled with new posts Some have admitted that their are also some ghosts.
Suddenly some one says "no more coffepot" it should go Suddenly they all cry "Dear techs please no".
Let us keep the coffepot so we can all have our daily thrill. Like being at the scene of a wreck - we love to see blood spill.
Slamming and flaming are the weekly game it seemed Who will be king? Who will next be the redeemed?
Cursing, crying, fist flying. But have we forgotten those who may be dying?
Suicide or a drink .. a cry from the brink. Talking and talking and putting in a link.
Who have we really helped today? Did we carry the message to another alcoholic in the AA way?
Member: Tim V. Treasurer/founder
Location: Poconos PA
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 18:51:37
It started with me, my "sponser", Judy, and Thomas L. who I sponsor. Thomas had a problem he emailed me about and I copied Judy in my response. One alcoholic helping another... Alcoholics Anonymous. Anything other than this doesn't belong here or among us in AA.
I suggest everyone here take a real gut check! There is alot of 11th step work needed here and a real commitment to carrying the message of AA, not personal baggage.
Hogging time at a meeting is as bad as other forms of AA "sin", like gossiping, and 13th stepping.
Our 1st Tradition states that our common wellfare comes first...
Look back at what YOU have written! Does it pass the test of the 1st Tradition?
If it dosen't, you need to change!
Member: Suzanne H
Location: Ontario Canada
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 18:57:55
Laurie, welcome home!! love ya friend
Art, thanx for the "technology" LMAO...
James E, good to see you here!
NewBeastie welcome back!!
Love to all, Suzanne (Kmartsh0pr@aol.com)
Member: Zane
Location: All Points
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 19:28:11
Susan:
When I was new, I wanted to get everyone to go to A.A., even folks I met in the grocery store.
It was when I finally figured out that I had absolutely nothing to offer until I worked the Steps and learned why I talked like a prositute that I experienced some true growth.
Perhaps you can let your friend find their OWN way to A.A., and perhaps they'll be there to 12th Step you the next time.
Sincerely,
Zane
P.S. Thanks to those phone calls, faxes, and voluminous email. Those made a difference. And no, I am not any of those names I was accused of. Hell, the world could not TAKE two of me.
Hee hee!
(Still under 300 words, with both posts. To the technicians, "I love you," and I mean that in the most spiritual way imaginable, but I will not kiss or suck anything to show how much.)
God bless.
Member: mario d
Location: montreal
Date: 04 Mar 1999
Time: 19:34:23