Member: Mick D
Location: Washington
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 10:13 AM

Comments

Stuff happens. It's my attitude about the stuff that really makes a difference. If I can learn to accept things better, I'll be as apt to drink. ...learn to accept the things I cannot change. It seems so obvious, but I still have trouble with acceptance at the ripe old age of 60. I think today will be a better day.....it's day five, and I'm really excited to be here. Thanks for letting me share. I think it's good therapy. Maybe there is still time to get smart.


Member: Mari S
Location: Indiana
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 10:17 AM

Comments

Our friend in the fellowship, John H from Indiana, who used to post here weekly, is in the end stages of metastatic prostate cancer. He continues to use the Serenity Prayer 'all the time'....and when he has fellowship visitors, asks them to pray it with him. John, at 86 and nearly 17 years sober, continues to be a powerful teacher by example, of the serenity and acceptance that comes as a result of living the AA principles in all our affairs. He has consistently shared at f2f meetings regarding the power of the Serenity Prayer in his everyday life.


Member: L-RAY
Location: SCOTLAND
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 10:21 AM

Comments

Hi (((Mick D ) i use the serenity prayer most days- sometimes its hard to accept things-people ,places,things, i have no power over these events! so sometimes it takes courage to change my thinking! and i thank "god" hes got wisdom because sometimes im to wise for my own good lol Regards L-RAY


Member: Kim V
Location: kvaughn@madison.main.nc.us
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 10:39 AM

Comments

Kim V here alcoholic. The serenity Prayer. A useful tool in dealing with stress. My theraist always says "try to stay out of the drama" and for me that is what the Serenity pray helps me do, stay out of the drama. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Kerry
Location: Down Under
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 01:28 PM

Comments

Serenity prayer---All prayer is good, the serenity prayer is no different than any other prayer, just in words only. I have any number of various prayers I use on any number of occasions and they all work equally well. Positive affirmations are usually a good idea as well depending on the circumstance, as they are also a sort of "prayer." The long version of the serenity is even better if you know it, but the shorter, more popular version is fine also. It's also very easy to say, very hard to actually DO! Plus, it's not until down the road that we as human beings can really truly say we were wise in our decisions as they are RARELY that clear cut when they involve having to pray about it. Anyway it's like the Pope says, "How to pray? Just pray." There is no wrong way to say it(serenity prayer) or any other prayer---JUST DO IT!!!!!!!!!1


Member: cindy m
Location: alabama
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 02:29 PM

Comments

I have just come home after 25 days in treatment center, and am finding Serenity Prayer a true comfort. While the first two parts of relatively easy for me, the "wisdom to know the difference" is one I'm really having to work on. Am finding an imaginary "magic slate" helpful---just erase those thing and/or people I'm having difficulty with by raising the top erase sheet and often am able to "let go" of whatever's bothering me.


Member: Diane
Location: Oklahoma
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 05:12 PM

Comments

hi Diane here and prayer of all forms helps me in fact last night when I worked all day to get a 80 gig hard drive working on my system I had to pray hard cause my frustration level was to the end of my rope but I made it another day sober, now I'm on my husbands puter so my days are a fog at the moment I know it way over 80 and almost 90 days haha,,, anyway very happy to be sober and thank God for all his help...Diane


Member: Tom
Location: NY
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 05:55 PM

Comments

Day 7, still sober.


Member:
Location:
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 06:05 PM

Comments

hi all, angie in nj.....the line 'and the wisdom to know the difference'......is the key for me....learning to not bite off more than i can chew..... hi mick...and tom....great going.....i admire your courage to want to do this.....the rewards are huge.....and to the lady with almost 90 days.....awesome......keep going....it gets better....


Member: ace
Location: full deck
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 08:10 PM

Comments

I tnink this site will hurt you more than help you go to the meetings to many jokers when you want to play you throw the jokers out ACE


Member: tv
Location: nyc
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 08:28 PM

Comments

slipped last night, drank and lied to my boyfriend. feel absolutely powerless today and depressed. so i am starting again - day 1. i am hoping i can stick to this as it is something i REALLY want!


Member: Carrie
Location: Los Angeles
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 09:22 PM

Comments

Thanks for reminding me about the serenity prayer - seems I am changing and all of a sudden things look and feel very different to me. When it gets uncomfortable, I have to remember to ask God to grant me the serenity. I think I will go do that right now.


Member:
Location:
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 11:03 PM

Comments

THE SERENITY PRAYER IS SELF EXPLANATORY WHY DO WE NEED ALL THESE PHILOSIPHERS TO EXPLAIN IT????


Member:
Location:
Date: June 22, 2003
Time: 11:25 PM

Comments

RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT OF YOUR NOT DRINKING, WHAT BRINGS YOU THE MOST JOY? PUTS THE BIGGEST SMILE ON YOUR FACE? MAKES YOU SAY THIS IS ALL WORTH IT?


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 12:16 AM

Comments

Hi ((All)), Right now what brings me the most joy in sobriety is being free from the obsession to drink. I also like having my life back and being a part of, not isolating and lonely. I smile and laugh again and give and receive hugs from my AA friends. I am learning through AA how to really live by using the tools the BB gives us. I am actually healthier and happier now as a recovered alcoholic then I was before alcohol became a problem. There is so much peace in just letting go and letting God handle things. My mind is quiet now and not racing all the time. I don't have to control everything anymore not that I could anyway! Giving up alcohol was the best thing I have ever done for myself... It saved my life and AA keeps me sober one day at a time. The serenity prayer reminds me that to grow I have to have the courage to change because the girl that walked into AA will drink again. Thanks for letting me share. Kelly


Member: Mike H
Location: Jackson MI
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 04:30 AM

Comments

Mike, alcoholic. When I am stressed out the serenity prayer gives me a time out and a chance to focus and sort out what is going on.


Member: Mike S.
Location: Saginaw, MI
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 06:26 AM

Comments

Hi all: We have all heard the age old question,"What is the meaning of life". For this alcoholic, there are two answers--1)acceptance and 2) acceptance. First, it took a good deal of tme to accept the fact (not merely admit) I am an alcoholic, without question and for whatever reason. And recently I have begun what I believe to be the second part of the journey, to wit: learning to accept the things i cannot change, namely Everything except myself. It really is a strange trip we are on, growing up and learning to live life on lifes terms which to me seems to mean that the world does not revolve around the wants, desires and percieved needs of "me, myself and I". The last three years (only 21mos. sober) have been interesting, if trying, but i look forward to the rest of the journey.Best wishes to all my fellow travelers.


Member:
Location:
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 09:00 AM

Comments

I like the question 'what gives you the most joy'. Its a hard question to answer because there are so many things that give me joy, as a result of living the program. Its difficult to pick just one. There is joy in helping another alcoholic, & there is joy in knowing that today I am not waking up broke, sick, & out of ideas. As for the Serenity Prayer, it has helped me many a day, as do all prayers. Without faith & action who knows what destruction I'd been in.


Member: Mikey-Mike
Location: here & now
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 09:28 AM

Comments

Narrow-minded religious bigots Mike S. Adams (archive) June 23, 2003 | Print | Send MAs I was browsing around my university's website last Fall, I noticed an extensive list of recommended readings in a section labeled "spirituality" on the project B-Glad portion of the website. Project B-Glad is a taxpayer-funded educational project focusing on gay, lesbian, bisexual, and trans-gendered persons issues which is sponsored by the Office of Campus Diversity. Our chancellor signed the project into effect on September 11, 2001. Perhaps I should commend our administration for remaining productive on a day when most Americans were mourning the loss of thousands in the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. However, I am bothered by the fact that all of the religious readings which have been posted as part of the project have been pro-homosexual. (e.g., Faith and Religion in the Lives of Gay Men; Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual People within Organized Religion; and about 14 other books). Because I wanted to see the university add some readings which reflect a different perspective, I wrote to our chancellor with a few suggestions. First, I advised him to insert a disclaimer at the top of the Project B-Glad "spirituality" section which says, "UNCW does not take a position on the question of whether homosexuality is compatible with the Bible." After that, I asked him to add eight religiously-based recommend readings which discuss the possible negative effects of homosexuality on various social institutions. (e.g., Utopia Against the Family; Coming Out of Homosexuality; and Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth). Despite sending my requests by both regular mail and e-mail, I never heard back from the chancellor. As of this writing, the Office of Campus Diversity continues to post only pro-homosexual religious readings on its website. They also reinforce the idea of compatibility between homosexuality and religion with various highly paid campus speakers. For example, Mel White has been hired to assert compatibility between Christianity and homosexuality. Irshad Manji, a self-described "queer Muslim," has spoken on the compatibility between homosexuality and Islam. To my knowledge, no religious speaker has ever been paid to proffer a contrary view. Additionally, since 1999 I have heard complaints from students who have applied to be student orientation leaders at UNCW. Specifically, several have reported that they were quizzed about their attitudes towards homosexuality during the application process. The students who spoke to me had religious objections to homosexuality which they kept to themselves during their interviews for fear of having their applications rejected. Of course, it is difficult to understand how attitudes towards homosexuality affect the ability to lead brief campus tours for prospective students during orientation. More recently, it has come to my attention that students employed in various positions at my university have been subjected to lectures by diversity proponents who specifically assert compatibility between Christianity and homosexuality. In a time of deep budgetary crisis, it is difficult to understand why the university pays for these lectures. Again, they promote only one view on this controversial and highly personal subject. I hope that many who are reading this article have also read my recent article documenting the unconstitutional assault on religious student organizations at UNC-Chapel Hill. Readers of both articles may well conclude that an effort to establish homosexuality as the official state religion is well underway in the UNC system. I also hope that readers will agree with my assertion that the UNC system is in need of a new form of sensitivity training. Towards that end, I will soon be proposing First Amendment sensitivity training sessions for university administrators on all sixteen UNC campuses. One of the main goals of the program will be to allow both individual students and campus religious groups to form their own opinions about the compatibility of homosexuality and religion. College administrators will be asked to tackle other issues like rising tuition costs. I know that my initiative will be well received because UNC administrators care about the First Amendment. In fact, many said so last summer when they decried an attempt by the state legislature to block the use of Approaching the Koran in the summer reading program at UNC Chapel Hill. Many of those self-proclaimed defenders of academic freedom said that we must make sure that the UNC system is not controlled by narrow minded religious bigots. I certainly wouldn't want that to happen. But I'm afraid it already has. Mike S. Adams (adams_mike@hotmail.com) is an associate professor at UNC-Wilmington and a frequent Townhall.com contributor.


Member: Diane
Location: Oklahoma
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 12:49 PM

Comments

hi Diane Day 90 sober and thanks (angie)for the congratulations and I'm so happy to be on day 90 and feeling great and my brain cells are waking up. Prayers works for me and my bright spot for not drinking is that I see my World so much clearer today then when drunk. I'm glad when people put other topics on here cause sometimes the one's on are just not always what I need to talk about because I know my God helps me and don't need a discusson on prayer because prayer is personal but the serenity prayer is also great. God bless


Member:
Location:
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 03:37 PM

Comments

((Diane)) Congrats on your 3 months of sobriety, ODAAT!


Member: Bitsey
Location: Calif
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 03:40 PM

Comments

The serenity prayer! OH yea THE SERENITY PRAYER!!!!! & thank god for this site because there are some of us who have difficulty getting to f2f meetings-this site feeds me if not my daily bread it is sustaining me in between. Manny-keep those priority prayers coming! I am FM and have made it to day 7 after 2 years out. To those who posted new sobriety-hang in there. Keep it going Tom! TV I just told my guy I have been out-not for how long or how much-but the relief was in the truth. We are so good he did not have a clue. I am not over the obsession-this is a tough one for me. I am going through several losses and it is hard to give up what I have perceived as my buddy and friend the last 2 years. So I needed to be reminded of the serenity prayer today-you know like hit upside the head with it? How simple a tool it is. Thank you all for being here.


Member: Manny
Location: Down Under
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 04:36 PM

Comments

(((Bitsey)))--WTG kiddo!! I knew ya could do it!! You ARE doin it!! I check here every day to see if you post and I'm keeping ya in me daily prayers. I'm thrilled for you and you actually give me inspiration. Keep up the good work!,,,,,,


Member:
Location:
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 05:40 PM

Comments

Hey, let's talk about saying the the serenity prayer during sex---can we??? Please, please, please???????


Member:
Location:
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 05:45 PM

Comments

Name: Sober Location: ONE Date: 6/23/2003 Time: 5:44:31 PM Comments: Here, I'll sign my name---GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!----If you want to drink, go ahead, it's that simple! Nobody on this dumb-ass pot is goin to stop any other dumbass from drinking if they want to drink so get a grip!! If ya don't like that--go get drunk yourself too, I DON'T give a damn and make no pretentions that I do! It's all about choice and the ones we make, including whetehr or not to drink, and if Babbette or anyone is on pills they might as well be drunk anyways as it's no better, so she didn't even relapse because she was NEVER sober in the first damn plcae you idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Member: hy
Location: df
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 05:46 PM

Comments

SEX, Sex, SEX< SERXY Yeah Yeah Yeah!!!


Member: dody
Location: canada
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 06:17 PM

Comments

hi dody here THE SERENITY PRAYER has saved me more than once since first ever trying to stop drinking. i use it morning and night....dody


Member: MartyG
Location: Cowtown OH
Date: June 23, 2003
Time: 10:50 PM

Comments

(((Diane))) GOOD JOB ON YOUR 90!!!! Now you can work on 91. CONGRATS. meg


Member: Susan A
Location: Annapolis
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 07:31 AM

Comments

Hi, My name is Susan. I've had alot of problems stemming from alcohol. All minor until recently. I got a D.U.I. last October. That was a huge wake-up call for me. Thank God I didn't physically hurt anyone, but I did hurt my daughter. She was my biggest concern. I had never left her alone before. She's almost 14. She's an only child and I'm a single mother. I went to meet a friend and to pick up carry-out dinner. I had some drinks with him that I shouldn't have had. You know the rest. My problem now is that I am being forced to go to A.A. meetings. I firmly agree with A.A. It has helped me a great deal. I just don't agree with the court sending me there. I attend meetings and I get alot of reassurance about myself. I feel good. I'm happy. It's always wonderful to know you're there. I also attend alcohol classes 2 to 3 times a week. The problem is that I'm going to be sent to jail for not getting papers signed. Once I finish a meeting, I don't have the heart or belief in getting a paper signed. I care so much. I'm glad that A.A. is there and so many people can count on it. I don't have the nerve to ask someone to sign my paper. It's the same to me as the separation of Church and State. Beyond all that, I don't even have time to go to mandatory court ordered meetings. I am a single mother. I still need to work full time, take the dog and cats to the Vet, take Eliz to the Ortho once a week, go grocery shopping, cook, clean go to pre-teen functions, etc..............Please help I will check this site tomorrow. Hopefully someone will have some insight. Thank You, Susan


Member: Craig L (Dogmanor@yahoo.com)
Location: Aloha, Oregon
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 10:25 AM

Comments

At the first AA meeting I attended, the serenity prayer was said to being the meeting. I had no idea what all the mumbling was about. I stayed on the fringe of AA, until alcohol finally drove me back into the rooms. One I memorized the serenity prayer I felt like I was a part for the first time. Today, the prayer sets my mind for the meeting, which follows it. It reminds me that I am powerless over many things. I can always change my perspective and I donít have to participate in the insanity of my own mind or the minds of others.


Member:
Location:
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 10:38 AM

Comments

Um, Susan... you'd rather go to jail than ask someone to sign a paper after a meeting?


Member: Manny
Location: Down Under
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 10:46 AM

Comments

Susan, sweetie, your being way too silly about the paper signing thingy hon. Just do it! A LOT of us have done it and in the end we all laugh really hard about it now and you can too one day, but you've got to do it baby. Just DO IT!!!! I know you can. Don't make it a big deal as it's really not and we all understand, please do it. Peace.........


Member: Steven B
Location:
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 11:05 AM

Comments

Today is my 7th day of soberity. Ive been in and out of this program due to my lack of realy working the steps. I'm determined to work my butt off this time and make it work, at least make it work for me today. The serenity prayer is the cornerstone of what this program is all about.


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 11:15 AM

Comments

Susan, Who is going to take care of your daughter while you are in jail? You broke the law and you have to have a paper signed. A lot of people in meetings are court ordered and it is not a stigma unless you make it one. Denial and bucking the system will only hurt you and your daughter. After your stint in jail you also need to realize that you will never drive legally again until you attend the meetings. How long do you want to go without a license? 1 year or 5 years??? You won't be able to take your daughter to the doctors or school functions, go shopping etc. Is it worth it to prove a point? ....and what is your point? That our system is flawed? Call the DMV and tell them that and they will point out to you that driving in this country is not a (right) but a (priveledge). Take care and think about it. Kelly


Member: Kim D.
Location: Bridgewater
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 11:23 AM

Comments

((Susan - Annapolis)) Seems like this topic was hand-tailored to your situation! You may - or may not be - an alcoholic. That is for you to decide... But it seems as though using the Serenity Prayer to help you with doing what needs to be one to keep you out of jail just might help you. "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change (I have to get this paper signed or I will go to jail)... the courage to change the things I can (please help me get over the fear I have of getting this paper signed) and the wisdom to know the difference." :-) Listen, I am the Secretary of my home group and I am the one doing the signing. I do NOT judge those who come up and get their cards signed... actually my heart leaps because I have HOPE that a person's life might actually be saved or changed because of being sent to AA. If you're that concerned about your daughter's well-being... you'll get those papers signed so her Mom doesn't go to jail. I'm a single Mom of 2 boys, work full time, bring them to doctor's and sports events, shop, clean, yada, yada, yada. I know it's difficult, but it's doable. I've been sober almost 4 years. ((Steven)) Welcome back and good going on your 7 days. It takes what it take to open our eyes and minds to the path we need to take to get and stay sober. ODAAT - we can recover.


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 11:24 AM

Comments

Hi Steven, Great on the 7 days. It is good you know that you need the steps. It sounds like you have step one down. I'm on step four and I am doing it as layed out in the Big Book. I think I'll be writing for a while! I go to a lot of step and BB meetings because that is the meat and potatoes of the program for me. At almost 10 months I seem to need more then just speaker discussion meetings. Do you have a job in AA at all? I found my jobs really helped keeping me connected in the beginning. Gotta run but best of luck and let us know how your doing. (((WTG DIANE)))... Keep it up and keep counting those days as they do add up. Kelly


Member: Tom
Location: NY
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 02:32 PM

Comments

Day 9 for me and things are going well. Thank you Bitsey for the kind words. Diane, congrats on day 90, seems far away for me but that's great for you. Mick and Steven, congrats to both of you on day 7. I printed out the serenity prayer today and hung it on the fridge. Thanks for the topic.


Member: Bitsey
Location: Calif
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 03:46 PM

Comments

Hmmmm the fog is begginning to lift. Day 8 and this is where I usually end up in trouble-I feel so good maybe it was just in my head that I had a hang over every day ;-). So good to feel good. I can only stop when I have had enough of feeling sick and tired of being sick and tired. I hope I don't have to go down this road again. I like being here with Steve & Tom & Dianne-knowing I am not the only newby. Thank you Manny-I will keep checking in! yesterday was definately white knuckled-until I was reminded of the serenity prayer. Today I am calm but the obsession has not been totally removed. I like German Beer and like red wine! However they are no longer a refreshing beverage. I can't "have a beer" after work-I have to drink till I drop. And I can't have a "glass of wine" to relax. Nope i have to drink the whole damn bottle. it makes me angry that I am not "normal". But that is where the serenity prayer comes in. I gotta except that Alcahol is not an option. I have not lost a job, a car or any of those material things. But I have lost alot of days. Days I cannot make up to my children.....Days in bed with the covers pulled over head because I am sick.....promises I can't keep because I am sick......On and on and on. To Susan-get the paper signed-these last few years with your daughter go to quick already-where is the choice?


Member:
Location:
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 03:53 PM

Comments

Good Post Kimmy D from BrigeyConn.....


Member: mick d
Location: Washington
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 04:06 PM

Comments

Hi Susan, I've never had a DUI, so I am no expert in knowing your pain. I do know why you are reluctant to ask to have your paper signed. You are respecting the principle of anonymity. However, many of the people at the meetings are willing to sign your papers because they donít feel a need to protect their privacy. All you need to do is ASK. Those that are willing will step forward. You can even ask during the meeting and then just wait at the end of the meeting. Someone will step forward to help you. By asking during the meeting, you are not putting anyone on the spot, so you have nothing about which to feel bad. BTW, it might be a good idea to ask toward the end of the meeting lest everyone forget your request. Good luck. Mick Ö.


Member: JT
Location: Florida
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 04:24 PM

Comments

Hi All, I have a question/s about finding a sponsor. I'm 38 days sober. When do I look? What do I look for? and what are our responsibilities to each other? Also, after finding a sponsor, when should I really start working the 12 steps? Thank You!!


Member: Fannie C.
Location: NY
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 07:47 PM

Comments

Hi JT - the best way to get a sponsor is to get to alot of meetings and get the phone numbers of people who you can identify with or people who have something the you think you may want in terms of sobriety and make some phone calls or talk to them at meetings - pray for guidance and then go with your gut - just ask one of them to be your sponsor - they will either say yes or no .... don't worry about making a mistake - it will either work or not - if not ask someone else - your sponsor will decide when you start the steps - for me I start people right away - on the 1st step ...good luck


Member: TV
Location: nyc
Date: June 24, 2003
Time: 09:33 PM

Comments

Bitsey- i am feeling all of those things you talk about. i am on day 3 and i am already feeling that bit of confidence, where i wonder hmmmm maybe i am not an alcoholic.... i don't want to slip and i am worried i will. i will be alone this weekend and am scared i will make that trip to the wine store and sit in the apt. "vegging" which means drinking white wine while i tune out in front of TV, and then pass out. i am battlling those internal voices egging me on and saying of just one more time, while you have the chance and you are alone. UGH - this is soooo hard and i just wish it could be so simple. thanks for hearing me. please give a bit of support if you can.


Member: Judy
Location: MA
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 12:29 AM

Comments

Bitsey Hi I don't know everything but don't sit home and watch TV AND VEGGY get out and go to a meeting or 2 or 3 don't stay home change your plan for the weekend get a Bigbook or any book on AA read it might save you from sliping into your old way of thinking if you don't want to drink take those steps don't walk RUN its your life get to the meeting this weekend could could change your LIFE GOOD LUCK


Member: Heather
Location: UT
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 12:35 AM

Comments

Hi room. Diane- Happy 90 Days!! Sorry I missed it; my born-birthday is the same as your 90 days and I didn't come on here, but WTG!! Thanks for all you've contributed to my sobriety. TV- bury your head in the big book. Read the other meetings beginning to end. Then look up a topic in the archives that you're feeling shaky on. Do anything AT ALL to keep your hand and your mind of the first drink. Read until you get comfortable in your head. Go to a live meeting. Call your sponsor. Do ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO, but DO NOT PICK UP A DRINK.


Member: Heather
Location: UT
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 12:40 AM

Comments

Susan- reread your post. How are you going to do ANY of those oh-so-VERY-important things FROM JAIL? What's more important: I don't even have time to go to mandatory court ordered meetings. I am a single mother. I still need to work full time, take the dog and cats to the Vet, take Eliz to the Ortho once a week, go grocery shopping, cook, clean go to pre-teen functions, etc.. ALL THOSE THINGS- Or your freedom to do them, which you will LOSE if you don't get your paper signed (by people who will love you, not judge you), and going to your COURT-MANDATED meetings? Priorities would seem to be in desperate need of examination.... THINK THINK THINK


Member: Kathleen
Location: Florida
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 08:51 AM

Comments

The serenity prayer. I love it. Kathleen here alcoholic. Like someone else posted, when I get a little frustrated with something thats going on in life, I stop for a moment and say the serenity prayer. Helps me to cool off a little before I say or do something I would regret later. Thank heaven's those frustrations are not as often now as they were when I was new in the program... Congrats to all the new folks celebrating milestones, and staying sober just one day is a mile stone. We have a "Daily repreive contingent on our spiritul condition."... I've belonged to an online AA group for over five years and there are meetings there every night at 9:30pm EST.. www.winnerscirclemeeting.com To the person having to have their paper signed. I had a few DUI's back when they were called DWI's...lol lost my license for ten years but was very grateful I never killed anyone while drinking and driving. Having to have a peice of paper signed to me would be worth staying out of jail, but, we are each different. This program is for people who want it not for people who need it..."IF you want what we have and are willing to go to any lengths to get it then you are ready to take certain steps..".... "Peace KAthleen


Member: Jodie
Location: Philadelphia
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 09:27 AM

Comments

JT, Its my personal belief that you should find a sponsor as soon as possible. Also, look for someone who has the kind of sobriety you want, maybe they have a certain spiritual quality that you admire, something like that. Also, make sure its someone who is willing to take you through the steps. I was taught by my sponsor that her job was to take me through the steps, and that she was not my personal therapist. Today, we have a wonderful friendship, but it started like a student/teacher relationship. Also, if you feel that you've made a mistake in picking a sponsor, don't be affraid to change sponsors. If you feel you need to change. Whomever, you choose make sure its someone who has taken their steps & who is living the program. God Bless


Member: Phil S.
Location: MI
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 09:29 AM

Comments

Hi! I'm Phil, an alcoholic. If I take the first drink, there will be bad consequences coming to me soon. So, I try to do, what I've been told to do, by people like some of you. It has worked so far. The Serenity Prayer apparently works too! My poor sick mind couldn't do much other than process part of the words at first. I would just say God, please help me. The intent and honest desire was there. I'm just one sick, but dry drunk, getting a little better most days. Peace, to you all!


Member: Jodie
Location: Philadelphia
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 09:36 AM

Comments

JT, I only say this about the sponsor because in the begining I had to change sponsors a few times myself. Until, I found a wonderful lady who sat down with me and the Big Book and took me through my steps. I remember how confusing, scared, and so unsure I was in the begining. Still, I was so affraid of relapse that I refused to let those feelings get to me. Finally, I found the right lady to sponsor me, and I've been changing for the better ever since. God Bless you on your journey.


Member: JR
Location: MEETING MORE MEETINGS
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 12:21 PM

Comments

Hello all if you realy want to stay sober go to meetings more meetings and more meetings if you realy want to stay sober thats what you do


Member: Kelley S.
Location: Texas
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 12:48 PM

Comments

I like the serenity prayer also and it helps me get through days, when I need the comfort. Definitely get a sponsor, mine saved me from my own hell. On days that i can't decide what color underwear to wear i call and she tells me what to do. I am available through e-mail and even the phone to help whoever I can. I want to give back what this program has so freely given me. I have been clean and sober since 04/04/01. I am addict and alcoholic and totally understand cross addictions. Gimme an e-mail if you wanna talk to me, i listen really well, and I understand. Thanks to all who listen to me and the rooms of aa. Kelley e-mail-- texashippie65@verizonmail.com God bless you all.


Member: Matt R.
Location: Texas
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 01:48 PM

Comments

The serenity prayer DEFINITELY helps me get through the days now. My marriage is a mess and maybe over ... life is a mess right now ... but when I wake up in the morning, the first thing I do is recite the prayer ... trust me, it works ;-) pofmind1958@sbcglobal.net


Member: Timm
Location: Aladamnbama
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 01:59 PM

Comments

Day One, again. (I can't tell you how many day ones there have been.) I don't have anything to say about the Serenity Prayer (yet), but the postings by <TV-nyc> and <Bitsey-calif> hit home with me; I can usually go for brief periods of time without drinking (it varies), but I begin to feel so good physically and about life in general that I "forget" how little control I have over drinking - or not drinking (insert Serenity Prayer here), and how absolutely devastating drinking has on EVERY aspect of my life. I just found this site, I've spent the past hour looking it over, and I think it can be very beneficial (for me anyway). I am making a commitment to post each and every day as a way of logging my progress, so if you don't see a post you'll know another "Day One" is in my future. Good luck to all of you. p.s. Tommorow I give my thoughts on f2f meetings.


Member: John
Location: NM
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 03:00 PM

Comments

Susan, agree with mick d. having to sign and have papers signed violates AA's tradition of anonymity and am suprised it is allowed. ?maybe most AA members now come from court ordered DUI's. Anything to keep the membership up! Also agree with U that court ordered AA is violation of civil rights. How can government order anyone to join a private religious group? You should protest this and ask court to allow another non relious means of paying your debt to society.


Member: Mike
Location: NY
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 05:08 PM

Comments

Tim pld boy, where ya at in Bama? I'm from Opelika, how 'bout that!! WAR EAGLE my friend, and welcome to stayingcyber, glad you're here!!!


Member: Bitsey
Location: CA
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 06:01 PM

Comments

TV are you getting to any meetings? How about you Tim? Well we have a choice today. What is th definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result! That would be me! The clearer my thinking gets the more I see my insanity. MY LIFE IS UNMANAGEBLE! I have been telling myself that for the past 2 years I have been out. And telling myself as I chug my 24 OZ Bud or slug my red wine that this will be my last drink.......after tonight I will quit.....blah blah blah blah blah. Soooooo......again today is one min one hour one day at a time. My knuckles aren't quite as white today.....Does any one know if it is alright to give out an IM address on here? Any way if any one is interestd in IMing on yahoo let me know. TV-Timm get to meetings get phone numbers. Take care all-thanks for the ESH!!!!!!


Member: angie
Location: costa mesa california
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 07:07 PM

Comments

hi bitsey.... congrats at on the day 9... glad to hear its a little easier today then yesterday ...are ya going to meetings ... taking your own advise ??? hope so ... anywhow where in cali are ya from .. i am in southern california myself .... keep at it it can only get better ..... rebos_n_cali@yahoo.com


Member: Leo
Location: high times
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 07:58 PM

Comments

What if I just smoked pot and didn't drink drinking is my downfall not pot pot helps me not drink


Member:
Location:
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 09:24 PM

Comments

Pot is just a crutch; do not stay away from reality to long.


Member: Diane
Location: Oklahoma
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 11:26 PM

Comments

hi Diane here and I'm now on day 92 and as for Pot well it leads to you wanting more drugs or booze, and you can't get a job unless you get someone else to pee for you unless of course you get a lower job that don't care. I have seen what pot does it makes you not care about life. Thank you all who said the congratulations to me, well got to make this shor got a storm coming fast, kills my modem


Member: Robin
Location: Iowa
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 11:28 PM

Comments

Just wanted to check in with yall I haven't posted in awhile. Robin here (alcoholic)87 days sober. I got to my f2f meeting and it went well. I found a new job and it is great. I feel these things would not have happened or I would have been less motivated if I was still drinking/drunk. I feel good. I like the serenity prayer because it is a nice way to take a breath and think about what you are doing or saying before you act. What I mean is when a situation comes up that is upsetting me I take a step back recite the serenity prayer in my head and then think rationally about what my next step is. Do I let the situation get out of control and go pound some beers or do I make a plan of action that makes sense? It is a good thing the serenity prayer. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Tom
Location: NY
Date: June 25, 2003
Time: 11:29 PM

Comments

Goodnight day 10! Looking forward to tomorrow.


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Date: June 26, 2003
Time: 12:44 AM

Comments

Just got in from a great meeting. The speaker picked up his 17 year medallion. His story was incredible and funny at the same time. He could not stay sober for any amount of time and was in tons of rehabs and detoxes. At the end he knew all the Dr's and staff when he came back. He said what got him finally sober was that every time he relapsed and went back in instead of people saying "Oh you again", or "did it get any better this time"? they said Welcome back. No one ever gave up on him and they loved him till he could love himself. This man was a tough guy too and he got a little misty saying it. After the meeting I shook his hand and asked if he would mind a question. He was like sure shoot. I asked him how in the hell could he afford to drink like that? It turns out he was an iron worker in Boston. He said he made and drank away a small fortune. I don't know why I was curious except I know I had a hard time affording my booze at the end and I had a good job. It is total insanity how much money I spent. Sometimes I'm grateful that I could afford to drink all I wanted to because it speeded up my decline and I hit bottom sooner. I had to drink every drink I drank to get sober. Now life is so good. I could not have done it without AA though. To anyone new get to a meeting and ask for help. If your thinking of drinking without your own permission get to a meeting and share that. Like the guy with 17 years tonight said, let us love you until you can learn to love yourself. I know it sounds hokey but it is true. At the end we hate ourselves and the vicious cycle we are stuck in. Just having someone care and not judge us feels good. Have a good night. Kelly


Member: John R.
Location: Alabama
Date: June 26, 2003
Time: 02:50 AM

Comments

Hi, John here, By the grace of God and the help of AA/NA I have not had to take a drink since Oct. 12, 1994. My recovery these days consist of lots of meetings and lots of praying. Just found this site, looking forward to getting to know some of you. Your friend in recovery.


Member: Marie M
Location: OK
Date: June 26, 2003
Time: 11:24 AM

Comments

Hello All: Glad I found you. I woke up Monday morning and decided enough. I am 3 1/2 days sober. I gues the best part of being sober is not having to stop and buy beer everyday. I live in a tiny town and feel embarrassed so I would rotate between the 4 stores in town that sells beer. Like they care. I have remarried, a four month newlywed with a supportive hubby. I am hanging on for dear life to make it each day without a beer, My new excuse for drinking, My wonderful new husband let his stoner 20 year old step son move in with us without discussing it with me. The step son brought along his girlfriend. I am trying to deal with it. My hubby tells me that his son can only stay there until he can afford to get back on his feet. I could go on forever about this but it is something I cannot change and cannot control so I am just trying to worry about staying sober. I am glad I found this site. And thanks for reminding me of the serinty prayer Thanks Marie


Member: angie m
Location: california
Date: June 26, 2003
Time: 02:20 PM

Comments

ya know i think it truely is wonderful amazing thing you people who are getting sober from your own homes..... i have SO much respect for you all.... 10 days, 4 days, 87 days, 1 day even.... hours too.... that is HUGE... and coming on here and processing ... or talking to us other alcoholics about it ...that to me is a great ... great thing ....me myself couldn't or wouldn't i am not sure which really do it ... i had to be forced into a recovery home ..../ which i know now has been THEE BEST thing to EVER happen to me ..... it takes what it takes i guess... but anyways ... ((((congratulations))) to ya all ........... keep it up


Member: greg
Location: va
Date: June 26, 2003
Time: 05:18 PM

Comments

Pot is just a crutch but we are all handycap Pot is just a crutch buts it better than getting drunk I say do what you half to do


Member: Timm
Location: Alabama
Date: June 26, 2003
Time: 06:32 PM

Comments

Day Two. <Bitsey CA> thanks for the encouraging word about attending f2f meetings. I called the local office and got a list of meeting sites. Several years ago, while living in Atlanta, I attended my first meeting and it was awful. It was held in an auditorium with what seemed to be about 300 to 400 people, not what I was expecting. It was so impersonal that I never went back. However, I didnít give up. I found another site with a more personable setting, but I felt strangely out of place, almost unwelcome (maybe it was my fault). I was in the process of moving back to Alabama at the time and decided I would just try to hook up with a group after I was settled in Birmingham (never did). Despite my experiences, I do believe that attending meetings is crucial for recovery. First of all, socializing (or fellowship) is therapeutic, alcoholic or not; secondly, no one is as understanding and unconditionally accepting of us as those who have and continue to struggle with this disease. <Mike NY> how are you doing, howís your progress? Right back at ya with a Roll Tide! <Marie M OK> Rotating your points of purchase is not unusual I donít think, I too had four stores. Itís kinda funny (and sad) that we should even think in those terms. I wonder if sexaholics rotate where they buy condoms?


Member: Tom
Location: ny
Date: June 26, 2003
Time: 08:06 PM

Comments

Marie M: I did the same last Monday. Now I'm day 11. Monday was by far the toughest and so far, each passing day has been easier. In the last 2 weeks there have been alot of newcomers. If you have the time, go back and read some. They helped. Good luck to you and all. Thanks


Member:
Location:
Date: June 26, 2003
Time: 11:17 PM

Comments

Sexaholics just rotate partners.


Member: Diane
Location: Oklahoma
Date: June 26, 2003
Time: 11:47 PM

Comments

hi Diane here alcoholic and welcome to all the new folks and good luck on staying >Sober< and off drugs, I have to also say off drugs cause alcolhol is a drug so all drug addicts are welcome as far as I am concerned. Day 93 sober for me and God answered my prayers today, My Son came Home and did not stop off at the local drug house. I continue to pray for him that God will stop the drugs and make them not available if he tries to find any. I know God has stopped me many times when I was heading for addictions like speed addictions or crank addictions they are all bad they destroy our bodies and minds, take away our right thinking. My Son is a good Man he just needs to find that out. God bless all of you and even the pot smoker hehe.... I had thoughts of drinking today and prayed to God to keep me sober and remind me why I want to be sober, thank God for this web site....Diane


Member: Heather
Location: UT
Date: June 27, 2003
Time: 04:21 AM

Comments

Diane, good on ya! Was wondering if you were here. Glad and relieved about your son. That's awesome.


Member: angie
Location: southern california
Date: June 27, 2003
Time: 01:59 PM

Comments

(((Diane))) hooray you go girl/.../ and it truely gets better and better ... even on the bad days sober ... you can still see that its still better then before ... because at least you can recognize that it's bad ./... i was always to messed up to even realize how bad things really were .... i am grateful even for the bad days now ... i learn the most from them (((Tom))) congratulations on your 12 th day of sobriety..... keep your chin up and your directon moving forward ..... hang on tight ... it'll go up and down like a big damn roller coaster ride this first part of getting sober ... but have faith that with the good days and the hard days .... the bad days ... no matter what as long as your not drinking and their all taken you to a better place then even your best day drunk would of .... (((Marie))) keep it up girl.... congratulations on your now 4 days of sobriety ...keep posting and giving us a play by play .... get to a face to face meeting if ya can ... and stay strong .... (((Timm)) welcome.... so glad your here... it's neat and encouraging to see all you people with first days of sobreity on here supporting each other ... thats what its all about ..... keep it up Timm alcoholics nout there need you ... (((bitsey))) where are ya ... either i misssed seeing apost fr4om you from yesterday ... or you didn't post ... anyways just wondering how its going for you ... please post and give us an update ..... i have you all in my prayers ... and welcome any other new commers that i foolishly neglected to mention .... i am still a newcomer myself ... 223 days .... have a good sober day everyone ...


Member: DWAYNE S
Location: ALSIP IL
Date: June 27, 2003
Time: 09:00 PM

Comments

I NEVER SAY THEB SERINTY PRAYER I SLACKED OFF ON PRAYER BUT I KNOW WHY I SLIPED ON FRI 6-24 I DID NOT PRAY


Member: DWAYNE S
Location: ALSIP IL
Date: June 27, 2003
Time: 09:00 PM

Comments

I NEVER SAY THEB SERINTY PRAYER I SLACKED OFF ON PRAYER BUT I KNOW WHY I SLIPED ON FRI 6-24 I DID NOT PRAY


Member: Timm
Location: Alabama
Date: June 27, 2003
Time: 10:45 PM

Comments

Day Three. The bane of by early days (weeks?) of sobriety is insomnia. The shakes are gone, as are the night sweats, and the anxiety is diminishing, but I sleep fitfully at night, wake up too early and still tired, and have to drag myself through the day. At least Iím dreaming again; ever notice how, if you drink to sleep you donít dream? If anyone has suggestions for overcoming insomnia I would like to hear them. <JOHN>, welcome to the site, good to have another Alabamian on board; keep posting, your experience may benefit some of us. <<ANGIE Southern California>>, youíre an inspiration to me and Iím sure to others who read your posts. < DWAYNE S>, do whatever it takes, and keep posting so we know how youíre doing.


Member: Diane
Location: Oklahoma
Date: June 27, 2003
Time: 11:12 PM

Comments

wow tonights readings for so good, I just love to come here when we all work together to stay sober and thanks Heather and Angie for the sweet words. Angie wow you got it together girl. Let's see someone on here has a <<<OK>>>by there name (((Marie M))) what part of Oklahoma you from? I'm also in the sticks and also have a Son living back at Home but my blood Son so no choice put to give him all my love. Sober 94 days today and Marie M I've stop drinking through hell on Earth and stress from a child on drugs and let's talk about Jail time??? also he has been here going on three years. But he is finally doing better and yes don't forget to pray, someone on here said they forgot to pray and slipped (yep) that will happen but God heals and forgives and helps you start over on your count so keep coming back (((Dwayne))) hugs go out to you. Diane Ok


Member: Tom
Location: NY
Date: June 27, 2003
Time: 11:12 PM

Comments

Ah, what a day. Gold tournament all day long. 2 hrs from my house, with a few friends all day. Paid for by one of the guys companies. Free golf, food and all the booze you want. All day a beverage cart riding around the course. I knew it would be a trying day going into it. But...2 lemonades, a Sprite and a Gatorade and I'm still sober.!! I have to say, it was very satisfying when all was said and done. Golfed lousy but who cares! Goodbye day 12! What a great day. Thanks


Member: Diane
Location: Oklahoma
Date: June 27, 2003
Time: 11:15 PM

Comments

way to go Tom


Member: Diane
Location: Oklahoma
Date: June 27, 2003
Time: 11:16 PM

Comments

One thing I noticed about this site. People don't make fun of others for typo's or missed spelling which I am bad at doing so thanks for your patients....Diane Ok


Member: Timm
Location: Alabama
Date: June 28, 2003
Time: 12:16 AM

Comments

<<Diane>>: Dew knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl yore mistakes. -- Brendan Hills


Member: Buzz O.
Location:
Date: June 28, 2003
Time: 04:45 AM

Comments

Buzz,alcoholic. just found site.Haven't been to a meeting over a year. lost sight of sober life about 5months ago. have continued using pain meds for Nov,01 back injury, crushed L1. decided to continue pain meds. No Booze, but sure strung-out. 3-9-98 was my sober date. Playing Doctor sure screws up my life! Why I started to write, was to commet on Timm's lack of sleep. A real MD can help, or mental health Pro. Health food stores??


Member: Jackie
Location: MN
Date: June 28, 2003
Time: 11:14 AM

Comments

Tom, congrats!! Proud of ya. I read everyday, and glad to see you are still here :) I love to golf too, and booze and golf go hand in hand. Sh** booze and everything went hand in hand lol I have been out a few times this spring, golfing. Was weird not to have beer in one hand and club in the other. But I golf better sober! HUH, who would have thunk. lol Glad to see you had a good time, keep on keeping on. Peace everyone Jackie jaxj35@netzero.net :)


Member:
Location:
Date: June 28, 2003
Time: 01:48 PM

Comments

((TOM)) Well done it takes courage to not drink


Member: markm
Location: columbia
Date: June 28, 2003
Time: 03:20 PM

Comments

today is day 46 man do i feel GREAT i go to 3 meetings a week (i would attend more but i have no drivers liecence and won't have one for a least 2yrs ) i just take it 1 day at a time i'm glad this site is here for those people who write all that BS on here god WILL tend to you but if you must write it then why don't you you just write it to me and leave the other people alone kidmills117@aol.com


Member: Chris H.
Location: Fla.
Date: June 28, 2003
Time: 03:29 PM

Comments

I'm CHris --Iam alcoholic/addict/--Humm..."to accept the things I cannot change..."THe hard part for me was that I thought that I had the power to change everyone around me, or I would about die trying...For me to realize that I am powerless over people, places and things as well as booze and all of my other "drugs of choice" was a biggy. I still strugle with many of the "big" people in my life, but I am learning that it is their Job to change them selves and my job to work on My self. And that is ENOUGH! If I am "Keeping m• side of the street clean" adn not trying to take someone else's inventory, that is plenty of work for me to do. If I am busy with that work, then I that I don't have the energy to work on anyone else.Also, when I realize that that is my only real responsiblity, then serenity comes...It's when I get all wrapped up in trying to change others,. that I loose my serenity. You can tell that I am in the midst of learning this...but I am learning...progres not perfection is one of my favorite mottos...This program has helped me so much...Thank God for it and you people...


Member: John R.
Location: The beautiful State of Alabama
Date: June 28, 2003
Time: 08:03 PM

Comments

Hi, John here again, just thought I'de pass along a few things I've learned over the last few years; 1) It's not what you see it's how you see it. 2) God loves me more than any human ever could. 3) I'm living on borrowed time. 4) anything that I allow to come between God and myself has become my higher power. 5) Recovery really does work better one day at a time. Hi Timm......"Sweet Home Alabama".


Member:
Location:
Date: June 28, 2003
Time: 09:21 PM

Comments

for Timm in Alabama re sleep - try some melatonin, it is a natural hormone and it promotes sleep and does not leave you groggy in the morning


Member: Timm
Location: Alabama
Date: June 29, 2003
Time: 12:06 AM

Comments

DAY FOUR. <<Buzz>>, thanks for the advice; this being only day 4, Iím going to give a little more time before checking in with a MD about help sleeping, but if things donít improve thatís what Iíll do. I took by dog for a six-mile walk today so maybe thatíll help. Also, a therapist I was seeing a few years ago about anxiety gave me a relaxation audio tape that Iím going to try and dig out; it was very effective in helping me to manage stress. <<Tom NY>>: good job, I aspire to your confidence and restraint. <<Chris H. Florida>>, well said, and keep posting. {{{It is never too late to be what you might have been.}}} -- George Eliot


Member: Diane
Location: Oklahoma
Date: June 29, 2003
Time: 12:40 AM

Comments

Day 95 and still sober but tired so goodnight and stay sober


Member: CarolD
Location: Dallas Ga. USA
Date: June 29, 2003
Time: 03:06 AM

Comments

Hi Everyone... getting back to the Serenity Prayer...here us the orginal. GOD, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Living ONE DAY AT A TIME; Enjoying one moment at a time; Accepting hardship as the pathway to peace. Taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it. Trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to His Will; That I may be reasonably happy in this life, and supremely happy with Him forever in the next. Amen Reinhold Neibuhr-1926 Krrp Coming Back It Works